Which Anti Virus Works Best With Vista

While I agree Norton is likely the worst AV product because everyone I've
ever known who used a Norton product had problems with it, I've never known
anyone who had problems with McAfee and would like to know why you hate it
so much and who appointed you MVP. They should not be giving MVP titles to
anyone who would post such biased slander with no references to support your
point of view.


"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:j4a4559v8nmla5cvuvnuckj86is1qrhdfe@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 07:09:17 -0800, "Brandon Mahler"
> <mahlerbrandon@gmail.com> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Just wondering<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> It's not a matter of which works best with *Vista*, it's simply a
> matter of which is the best anti-virus program.
>
> If you are willing to pay for a product, the best anti-virus program
> is NOD32. If you want a free one, I recommend Avast, which is not
> quite as good as NOD32, but still a good one.
>
> And by the way, the two worst products are perhaps those that are best
> known, McAfee (next to worst) and Norton (worst).
>
>
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

There are a number of companies/organizations that review AV programs for
overall efficiency, reliability, memory use, guarantees and cost.

You might find it interesting that Norton and TrendMicro have been in the
top three for 4-5 years running now. Microsoft made it into the top 10
this past year with One Live Care this past year on two registers. McAfee
has dropped to number 5 or lower on 4 different registers in the past two
years.

A lot of people like to run to AVG, but it has gotten a number of bad
reviews by Information Securities groups due to their lack of reliability.
They reduce active scans and updates considerably to save resources, but in
the process sacrifice safety.

Personally, I have always preferred to work with the long term reliable
companies like Symantec, McAfee and TrendMicro. I also am willing to trus
CA/eTrust and Kapersky.

I have gotten into the habit of never running without an AV by one of these,
and I have never had an issue with any software. Some companies like to
have you turn off AV if you have issues with their software, even if the
system logs indicate that there is something else wrong.

I firmly believe, in form of analogy, that if I want my airconditioner to
work right after install, I am not going to unlock and open ALL of my doors
and windows to let someone check it out. I will unlock one door and keep
an eye on them while they do the work, or find a company that stands by
their product and guarantees it to work past all the security.

I feel the same way about software. I have refused to use some software
because the manufacturer told me I had to turn off my AV to let their
program work. No thank you. Apps or games, if it can't play well with
the top rated AVs (most secure) out there I have had to fix too many
computers for others that became a haven of malware and security issues.

Note that the US government only contracts to McAfee and Symantec
(Norton's). Many major companies use these, CA or TrendMicro.

"ShadoShryke"
(AKA James Walker)
Owner Proprietor of GC&D
Computer Support and Consulting business owner and MSPP Registered Partner



"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:d0p655952kvpchs7373vnk02qaf8fedale@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:20:00 -0400, "Richard Urban"
> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> You would think that after all these years of many of us bad mouthing
>> their
>> products that McAfee and Norton/Symantec would really be pissed at us.
>> <grin><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> They probably are, but they don't get to control our opinions.
>
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> But I totally agree with you.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> Thanks ...
>
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> They are worse than the malware they try to
>> protect you from<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> ...but we disagree about that. I'd rather have NAV or McAfee than no
> anti-virus software at all.
>
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>- and almost as bad as having AOL on your computer.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> LOL! We agree again.
>
>
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>> news:j4a4559v8nmla5cvuvnuckj86is1qrhdfe@4ax.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>> > On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 07:09:17 -0800, "Brandon Mahler"
>> > <mahlerbrandon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just wondering
>> >
>> >
>> > It's not a matter of which works best with *Vista*, it's simply a
>> > matter of which is the best anti-virus program.
>> >
>> > If you are willing to pay for a product, the best anti-virus program
>> > is NOD32. If you want a free one, I recommend Avast, which is not
>> > quite as good as NOD32, but still a good one.
>> >
>> > And by the way, the two worst products are perhaps those that are best
>> > known, McAfee (next to worst) and Norton (worst).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
>> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2C9CF229-976A-4623-8716-39E3CEB2E73D@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> There are a number of companies/organizations that review AV programs for
> overall efficiency, reliability, memory use, guarantees and cost.
>
> You might find it interesting that Norton and TrendMicro have been in the
> top three for 4-5 years running now. Microsoft made it into the top 10
> this past year with One Live Care this past year on two registers. McAfee
> has dropped to number 5 or lower on 4 different registers in the past two
> years.
>
> A lot of people like to run to AVG, but it has gotten a number of bad
> reviews by Information Securities groups due to their lack of reliability.
> They reduce active scans and updates considerably to save resources, but
> in the process sacrifice safety.
>
> Personally, I have always preferred to work with the long term reliable
> companies like Symantec, McAfee and TrendMicro. I also am willing to trus
> CA/eTrust and Kapersky.
>
> I have gotten into the habit of never running without an AV by one of
> these, and I have never had an issue with any software. Some companies
> like to have you turn off AV if you have issues with their software, even
> if the system logs indicate that there is something else wrong.
>
> I firmly believe, in form of analogy, that if I want my airconditioner to
> work right after install, I am not going to unlock and open ALL of my
> doors and windows to let someone check it out. I will unlock one door
> and keep an eye on them while they do the work, or find a company that
> stands by their product and guarantees it to work past all the security.
>
> I feel the same way about software. I have refused to use some software
> because the manufacturer told me I had to turn off my AV to let their
> program work. No thank you. Apps or games, if it can't play well with
> the top rated AVs (most secure) out there I have had to fix too many
> computers for others that became a haven of malware and security issues.
>
> Note that the US government only contracts to McAfee and Symantec
> (Norton's). Many major companies use these, CA or TrendMicro.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Your experience is to be appreciated and respected.
You also didn't mention Avast, which I think is very well suited for Vista
H/P SP2, 32bit and 2 GB of memory.
Personally I don't have any problems whatsoever with the program and it does
the job.

Harry.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> "ShadoShryke"
> (AKA James Walker)
> Owner Proprietor of GC&D
> Computer Support and Consulting business owner and MSPP Registered Partner
>
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:d0p655952kvpchs7373vnk02qaf8fedale@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:20:00 -0400, "Richard Urban"
>> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> You would think that after all these years of many of us bad mouthing
>>> their
>>> products that McAfee and Norton/Symantec would really be pissed at us.
>>> <grin><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>> They probably are, but they don't get to control our opinions.
>>
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> But I totally agree with you.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>> Thanks ...
>>
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> They are worse than the malware they try to
>>> protect you from<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>> ...but we disagree about that. I'd rather have NAV or McAfee than no
>> anti-virus software at all.
>>
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>- and almost as bad as having AOL on your computer.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>> LOL! We agree again.
>>
>>
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>>> news:j4a4559v8nmla5cvuvnuckj86is1qrhdfe@4ax.com...
>>> > On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 07:09:17 -0800, "Brandon Mahler"
>>> > <mahlerbrandon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Just wondering
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > It's not a matter of which works best with *Vista*, it's simply a
>>> > matter of which is the best anti-virus program.
>>> >
>>> > If you are willing to pay for a product, the best anti-virus program
>>> > is NOD32. If you want a free one, I recommend Avast, which is not
>>> > quite as good as NOD32, but still a good one.
>>> >
>>> > And by the way, the two worst products are perhaps those that are best
>>> > known, McAfee (next to worst) and Norton (worst).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
>>> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

I have been using Norton/Symantec since version 3 (1992) on DOS. I have
used CA, McAfee, and Kapersky as well. All fully licensed and purchased
versions.

I have tested many free and share versions as well including Avast.

In 2001-2002, the version most commonly packaged with computers (as a 90 day
trial) was Norton AV. McAfee had a great product then as well. Yet new
issues with operating system updates, and system resource demand, along with
internet usage (MMOs kicked off in a serious explosion) left companies both
on the security side and on the software publisher side, trying to catch up.

In 2004, Norton's IS and AV both took the top rating on three of the top
securities reviewers rating charts, with McAfee, TrendMicro and CA all
showing up. Kapersky showed up in the top 10 the next year, climbing into
the top 5 quickly as they moved to compete with the top home and enterprise
market holders.

Norton/Symantec has held the top spot for 5 years running, on more than one
review register, and Microsoft finally moved into the top 10. And Symantec
(Norton) got rave reviews from the ISS Organization for greatly turning
around their resource usage and still keeping a solid product in the past
two years.

I have been supporting computers for home and business (especially military
barraks) for 12 years now, and I watched the ebb and flow during that time.
I have seen people have problems more because they refused to pay for update
services and tried to get away with using freeware/shareware/trialware
versions or just warez versions. I have watched McAfee miss things that
Norton/Symantec caught. I have seen the same thing in the other direction,
and I have seen people using Norton IS and Adaware and other programs that
compete with each other and cause themselves grief without knowning it.

I feel that if you pick one of the regular top 5 AV, stay away from
freeware, get a fully licensed version and keep it and your system
maintained, you will find that you will be happy and content.

Fun sayings for this line of thought:
Putting a brush grill on the front of your car does no good if you run into
walls.
Just because your AV does not tell you it found a virus or malware on your
system does not mean that there is a guarantee that you did not bring one
home.
Throwing stones at elephants only guarantees that you might get trampled
when they get mad enough. (for the MVP that posted the feelings without the
facts)

ShadoShryke
(AKA James Walker)
15 years of Computer Support (home and business)
MSPP Registered, A+ Cert, MS Office Cert, BSIT: Information Systems Security


"Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
news:%23LVfhoz$JHA.4336@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> While I agree Norton is likely the worst AV product because everyone I've
> ever known who used a Norton product had problems with it, I've never
> known anyone who had problems with McAfee and would like to know why you
> hate it so much and who appointed you MVP. They should not be giving MVP
> titles to anyone who would post such biased slander with no references to
> support your point of view.
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:j4a4559v8nmla5cvuvnuckj86is1qrhdfe@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 07:09:17 -0800, "Brandon Mahler"
>> <mahlerbrandon@gmail.com> wrote:
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Just wondering<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>> It's not a matter of which works best with *Vista*, it's simply a
>> matter of which is the best anti-virus program.
>>
>> If you are willing to pay for a product, the best anti-virus program
>> is NOD32. If you want a free one, I recommend Avast, which is not
>> quite as good as NOD32, but still a good one.
>>
>> And by the way, the two worst products are perhaps those that are best
>> known, McAfee (next to worst) and Norton (worst).
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2C9CF229-976A-4623-8716-39E3CEB2E73D@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> There are a number of companies/organizations that review AV programs for
> overall efficiency, reliability, memory use, guarantees and cost.
>
> You might find it interesting that Norton and TrendMicro have been in the
> top three for 4-5 years running now. Microsoft made it into the top 10
> this past year with One Live Care this past year on two registers. McAfee
> has dropped to number 5 or lower on 4 different registers in the past two
> years.
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
TrendMicro sucks.
My new laptop from Best Buy came with TrendMicro Internet Security installed
(with a free 6 month subscription, after that you pay for updates).
I tried to play a game on the internet and it let me play for a few minutes
then disconnected me. I added the game program to it's "trusted programs"
and it still disconnected me. I uninstalled it and installed McAfee
(provided at no extra cost from my ISP) and haven't had any issues since.

I fortunately haven't had to mess with any Norton software lately but it's
still the number one answer when you ask a techie "what AV program is most
likely to conflict with other programs?" AV programs are useless if they're
constantly asking the user what they should allow or if they're preventing a
program you want to run from running properly.

 

Um,

You do understand that I am a techie. I make my living on supporting both
home and corporate users and environments.

Something to note, TrendMicro focuses on business, not home. Norton and
Symantec are the same, Norton is their home product and Symantec Securities
is how they market their business products.

Most of the techies that I work with in the industry do not talk down
Norton's. The people that talk down Norton's are mainly gamers and game
companies. Yet, since the 2003 versions, I have not seen the issues that
most of those companies and gamers complain about. In testing on 16
different machine configurations, WoW, Everquest2, Lineage2, Command and
Conquer, Age of Empires 2 & 3, Two Worlds, and even Maple Story had no
issues. Game that had issues: City of Heroes, who's publisher knew there
was a script change needed but prefered to tell users to turn off their AV
instead of fixing their script. It saved them programming cost.

TrendMicro does not suck, it just did not suit your needs and your specific
setup.

ShadoShryke
(AKA James Walker)
15 years of Computer Support (home and business)
MSPP Registered, A+ Cert, MS Office Cert, BSIT: Information Systems Security



"Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
news:u0zzboKAKHA.5780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> "ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2C9CF229-976A-4623-8716-39E3CEB2E73D@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> There are a number of companies/organizations that review AV programs for
>> overall efficiency, reliability, memory use, guarantees and cost.
>>
>> You might find it interesting that Norton and TrendMicro have been in the
>> top three for 4-5 years running now. Microsoft made it into the top 10
>> this past year with One Live Care this past year on two registers. McAfee
>> has dropped to number 5 or lower on 4 different registers in the past two
>> years.
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> TrendMicro sucks.
> My new laptop from Best Buy came with TrendMicro Internet Security
> installed (with a free 6 month subscription, after that you pay for
> updates).
> I tried to play a game on the internet and it let me play for a few
> minutes then disconnected me. I added the game program to it's "trusted
> programs" and it still disconnected me. I uninstalled it and installed
> McAfee (provided at no extra cost from my ISP) and haven't had any issues
> since.
>
> I fortunately haven't had to mess with any Norton software lately but it's
> still the number one answer when you ask a techie "what AV program is most
> likely to conflict with other programs?" AV programs are useless if
> they're constantly asking the user what they should allow or if they're
> preventing a program you want to run from running properly.
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

If TrendMicro doesn't "focus on home", they should tell Best Buy to stop
installing it on new PCs with Vista Home Premium.
It does suck because it disconnected my "trusted" program from the internet.
If your coffee maker makes coffee but explodes if you use columbian beans
while no other coffee maker does, it sucks as a product even if you
personally never use columbian beans so you haven't blown it up yet.

Again I said "I fortunately haven't had to work with Norton products
lately", so hopefully for their sake it doesn't suck anymore, but anyone who
has supported them for the past 2 decades is still skeptical. The last time
I heard of someone running Norton it was conflicting with another program.
We got new PCs for work from IBM with Norton installed. We uninstalled it
and installed McAfee.

"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
newsF74D9A4-0915-45BC-B762-F5DBE4B615CF@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Um,
>
> You do understand that I am a techie. I make my living on supporting
> both home and corporate users and environments.
>
> Something to note, TrendMicro focuses on business, not home. Norton and
> Symantec are the same, Norton is their home product and Symantec
> Securities is how they market their business products.
>
> Most of the techies that I work with in the industry do not talk down
> Norton's. The people that talk down Norton's are mainly gamers and game
> companies. Yet, since the 2003 versions, I have not seen the issues that
> most of those companies and gamers complain about. In testing on 16
> different machine configurations, WoW, Everquest2, Lineage2, Command and
> Conquer, Age of Empires 2 & 3, Two Worlds, and even Maple Story had no
> issues. Game that had issues: City of Heroes, who's publisher knew there
> was a script change needed but prefered to tell users to turn off their AV
> instead of fixing their script. It saved them programming cost.
>
> TrendMicro does not suck, it just did not suit your needs and your
> specific setup.
>
> ShadoShryke
> (AKA James Walker)
> 15 years of Computer Support (home and business)
> MSPP Registered, A+ Cert, MS Office Cert, BSIT: Information Systems
> Security
>
>
>
> "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
> news:u0zzboKAKHA.5780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> "ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2C9CF229-976A-4623-8716-39E3CEB2E73D@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> There are a number of companies/organizations that review AV programs
>>> for overall efficiency, reliability, memory use, guarantees and cost.
>>>
>>> You might find it interesting that Norton and TrendMicro have been in
>>> the top three for 4-5 years running now. Microsoft made it into the
>>> top 10 this past year with One Live Care this past year on two
>>> registers. McAfee has dropped to number 5 or lower on 4 different
>>> registers in the past two years.
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>> TrendMicro sucks.
>> My new laptop from Best Buy came with TrendMicro Internet Security
>> installed (with a free 6 month subscription, after that you pay for
>> updates).
>> I tried to play a game on the internet and it let me play for a few
>> minutes then disconnected me. I added the game program to it's "trusted
>> programs" and it still disconnected me. I uninstalled it and installed
>> McAfee (provided at no extra cost from my ISP) and haven't had any issues
>> since.
>>
>> I fortunately haven't had to mess with any Norton software lately but
>> it's still the number one answer when you ask a techie "what AV program
>> is most likely to conflict with other programs?" AV programs are useless
>> if they're constantly asking the user what they should allow or if
>> they're preventing a program you want to run from running properly.
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

>"but anyone who has supported them for the past 2 decades is still <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>skeptical"<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

This is an obvious exaggeration, since that would mean from 1989 to today,
and until 2000, all of the successful tech that I knew had Norton (Symantec)
on the top of their list as the best.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> It does suck because it disconnected my "trusted" program from the
> internet. If your coffee maker makes coffee but explodes if you use
> columbian beans while no other coffee maker does, it sucks as a product
> even if you personally never use columbian beans so you haven't blown it
> up yet.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

But it did not "blow up", another obvious exaggeration, because it did not
freeze up and lock up your computer, or fail use as a whole. Instead it
gummed up on that specific program and only restricted that program.

It occurs to me that maybe it found another security risk with that program
that McAfee did not catch. Or maybe, as with Cryptic Studios, the software
producer had something in their script that conflicts with something that
Trend settings protect. Or maybe that program needed an additional porting
that you did not catch and that the software publisher did not supply to
Trend Micro. This happens all the time.

In the current PC market, there is no way to get completely seamless
operations with ever producers driver, scripts or program at the same time.
You can get close if intercompany relations and communications are good, but
not perfect.

Again, I just passed on facts, and then said what I prefer to use, and what
I have used. Each of my posts have been mainly experience and facts. I
am not making a plug or pledge for anyone, just offering information based
on reproducable research and testing.

ShadoShyrke
(AKA James Walker)


"Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
news:u972Z7KAKHA.5092@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> If TrendMicro doesn't "focus on home", they should tell Best Buy to stop
> installing it on new PCs with Vista Home Premium.
> It does suck because it disconnected my "trusted" program from the
> internet. If your coffee maker makes coffee but explodes if you use
> columbian beans while no other coffee maker does, it sucks as a product
> even if you personally never use columbian beans so you haven't blown it
> up yet.
>
> Again I said "I fortunately haven't had to work with Norton products
> lately", so hopefully for their sake it doesn't suck anymore, but anyone
> who has supported them for the past 2 decades is still skeptical. The
> last time I heard of someone running Norton it was conflicting with
> another program. We got new PCs for work from IBM with Norton installed.
> We uninstalled it and installed McAfee.
>
> "ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> newsF74D9A4-0915-45BC-B762-F5DBE4B615CF@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Um,
>>
>> You do understand that I am a techie. I make my living on supporting
>> both home and corporate users and environments.
>>
>> Something to note, TrendMicro focuses on business, not home. Norton
>> and Symantec are the same, Norton is their home product and Symantec
>> Securities is how they market their business products.
>>
>> Most of the techies that I work with in the industry do not talk down
>> Norton's. The people that talk down Norton's are mainly gamers and game
>> companies. Yet, since the 2003 versions, I have not seen the issues that
>> most of those companies and gamers complain about. In testing on 16
>> different machine configurations, WoW, Everquest2, Lineage2, Command and
>> Conquer, Age of Empires 2 & 3, Two Worlds, and even Maple Story had no
>> issues. Game that had issues: City of Heroes, who's publisher knew
>> there was a script change needed but prefered to tell users to turn off
>> their AV instead of fixing their script. It saved them programming cost.
>>
>> TrendMicro does not suck, it just did not suit your needs and your
>> specific setup.
>>
>> ShadoShryke
>> (AKA James Walker)
>> 15 years of Computer Support (home and business)
>> MSPP Registered, A+ Cert, MS Office Cert, BSIT: Information Systems
>> Security
>>
>>
>>
>> "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
>> news:u0zzboKAKHA.5780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>
>>> "ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2C9CF229-976A-4623-8716-39E3CEB2E73D@microsoft.com...
>>>> There are a number of companies/organizations that review AV programs
>>>> for overall efficiency, reliability, memory use, guarantees and cost.
>>>>
>>>> You might find it interesting that Norton and TrendMicro have been in
>>>> the top three for 4-5 years running now. Microsoft made it into the
>>>> top 10 this past year with One Live Care this past year on two
>>>> registers. McAfee has dropped to number 5 or lower on 4 different
>>>> registers in the past two years.
>>>>
>>> TrendMicro sucks.
>>> My new laptop from Best Buy came with TrendMicro Internet Security
>>> installed (with a free 6 month subscription, after that you pay for
>>> updates).
>>> I tried to play a game on the internet and it let me play for a few
>>> minutes then disconnected me. I added the game program to it's "trusted
>>> programs" and it still disconnected me. I uninstalled it and installed
>>> McAfee (provided at no extra cost from my ISP) and haven't had any
>>> issues since.
>>>
>>> I fortunately haven't had to mess with any Norton software lately but
>>> it's still the number one answer when you ask a techie "what AV program
>>> is most likely to conflict with other programs?" AV programs are
>>> useless if they're constantly asking the user what they should allow or
>>> if they're preventing a program you want to run from running properly.
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

To support my assertions on the possibilities of McAfee not paying attention
or catching something, please look over this information from ICSA


This has gone on for three years now with McAfee. The user interface is
easier that some other AVs and Security software, but the actually
effectiveness of the work done has to be up to par.

ShadoShyrke
(AKA James Walker)


"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u32pDgLAKHA.2604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> >"but anyone who has supported them for the past 2 decades is still
> >skeptical"<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> This is an obvious exaggeration, since that would mean from 1989 to today,
> and until 2000, all of the successful tech that I knew had Norton
> (Symantec) on the top of their list as the best.
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> It does suck because it disconnected my "trusted" program from the
>> internet. If your coffee maker makes coffee but explodes if you use
>> columbian beans while no other coffee maker does, it sucks as a product
>> even if you personally never use columbian beans so you haven't blown it
>> up yet.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> But it did not "blow up", another obvious exaggeration, because it did not
> freeze up and lock up your computer, or fail use as a whole. Instead it
> gummed up on that specific program and only restricted that program.
>
> It occurs to me that maybe it found another security risk with that
> program that McAfee did not catch. Or maybe, as with Cryptic Studios, the
> software producer had something in their script that conflicts with
> something that Trend settings protect. Or maybe that program needed an
> additional porting that you did not catch and that the software publisher
> did not supply to Trend Micro. This happens all the time.
>
> In the current PC market, there is no way to get completely seamless
> operations with ever producers driver, scripts or program at the same
> time. You can get close if intercompany relations and communications are
> good, but not perfect.
>
> Again, I just passed on facts, and then said what I prefer to use, and
> what I have used. Each of my posts have been mainly experience and
> facts. I am not making a plug or pledge for anyone, just offering
> information based on reproducable research and testing.
>
> ShadoShyrke
> (AKA James Walker)
>
>
> "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
> news:u972Z7KAKHA.5092@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> If TrendMicro doesn't "focus on home", they should tell Best Buy to stop
>> installing it on new PCs with Vista Home Premium.
>> It does suck because it disconnected my "trusted" program from the
>> internet. If your coffee maker makes coffee but explodes if you use
>> columbian beans while no other coffee maker does, it sucks as a product
>> even if you personally never use columbian beans so you haven't blown it
>> up yet.
>>
>> Again I said "I fortunately haven't had to work with Norton products
>> lately", so hopefully for their sake it doesn't suck anymore, but anyone
>> who has supported them for the past 2 decades is still skeptical. The
>> last time I heard of someone running Norton it was conflicting with
>> another program. We got new PCs for work from IBM with Norton installed.
>> We uninstalled it and installed McAfee.
>>
>> "ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> newsF74D9A4-0915-45BC-B762-F5DBE4B615CF@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Um,
>>>
>>> You do understand that I am a techie. I make my living on supporting
>>> both home and corporate users and environments.
>>>
>>> Something to note, TrendMicro focuses on business, not home. Norton
>>> and Symantec are the same, Norton is their home product and Symantec
>>> Securities is how they market their business products.
>>>
>>> Most of the techies that I work with in the industry do not talk down
>>> Norton's. The people that talk down Norton's are mainly gamers and
>>> game companies. Yet, since the 2003 versions, I have not seen the
>>> issues that most of those companies and gamers complain about. In
>>> testing on 16 different machine configurations, WoW, Everquest2,
>>> Lineage2, Command and Conquer, Age of Empires 2 & 3, Two Worlds, and
>>> even Maple Story had no issues. Game that had issues: City of Heroes,
>>> who's publisher knew there was a script change needed but prefered to
>>> tell users to turn off their AV instead of fixing their script. It
>>> saved them programming cost.
>>>
>>> TrendMicro does not suck, it just did not suit your needs and your
>>> specific setup.
>>>
>>> ShadoShryke
>>> (AKA James Walker)
>>> 15 years of Computer Support (home and business)
>>> MSPP Registered, A+ Cert, MS Office Cert, BSIT: Information Systems
>>> Security
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u0zzboKAKHA.5780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:2C9CF229-976A-4623-8716-39E3CEB2E73D@microsoft.com...
>>>>> There are a number of companies/organizations that review AV programs
>>>>> for overall efficiency, reliability, memory use, guarantees and cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might find it interesting that Norton and TrendMicro have been in
>>>>> the top three for 4-5 years running now. Microsoft made it into the
>>>>> top 10 this past year with One Live Care this past year on two
>>>>> registers. McAfee has dropped to number 5 or lower on 4 different
>>>>> registers in the past two years.
>>>>>
>>>> TrendMicro sucks.
>>>> My new laptop from Best Buy came with TrendMicro Internet Security
>>>> installed (with a free 6 month subscription, after that you pay for
>>>> updates).
>>>> I tried to play a game on the internet and it let me play for a few
>>>> minutes then disconnected me. I added the game program to it's
>>>> "trusted programs" and it still disconnected me. I uninstalled it and
>>>> installed McAfee (provided at no extra cost from my ISP) and haven't
>>>> had any issues since.
>>>>
>>>> I fortunately haven't had to mess with any Norton software lately but
>>>> it's still the number one answer when you ask a techie "what AV program
>>>> is most likely to conflict with other programs?" AV programs are
>>>> useless if they're constantly asking the user what they should allow or
>>>> if they're preventing a program you want to run from running properly.
>>>>
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u32pDgLAKHA.2604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> >"but anyone who has supported them for the past 2 decades is still
> >skeptical"<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> This is an obvious exaggeration, since that would mean from 1989 to today,
> and until 2000, all of the successful tech that I knew had Norton
> (Symantec) on the top of their list as the best.
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
I guess you didn't know many techs then. I remember tons of conflicts with
Norton software in the early 1990s and I know plenty of tech guys who hate
it from back then too.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> It does suck because it disconnected my "trusted" program from the
>> internet. If your coffee maker makes coffee but explodes if you use
>> columbian beans while no other coffee maker does, it sucks as a product
>> even if you personally never use columbian beans so you haven't blown it
>> up yet.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> But it did not "blow up", another obvious exaggeration, because it did not
> freeze up and lock up your computer, or fail use as a whole. Instead it
> gummed up on that specific program and only restricted that program.
>
> It occurs to me that maybe it found another security risk with that
> program that McAfee did not catch. Or maybe, as with Cryptic Studios, the
> software producer had something in their script that conflicts with
> something that Trend settings protect. Or maybe that program needed an
> additional porting that you did not catch and that the software publisher
> did not supply to Trend Micro. This happens all the time.
>
> In the current PC market, there is no way to get completely seamless
> operations with ever producers driver, scripts or program at the same
> time. You can get close if intercompany relations and communications are
> good, but not perfect.
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
So, replace explode with vomit. It didn't cease to function. It just
didn't allow any usable results. If other coffee makers are producing rich
coffee with columbian beans and yours is producing sludge, it's a bad
product. I added my program to it's trusted programs listed and it stopped
my program from working! What more does it want?? I didn't see any message
as to why it stopped working. I just got a message in my program
"connection terminated", and uninstalling TrendMicro fixed it. It shouldn't
be disconnecting a trusted program for any reason. At most if it doesn't
like what my program does there should be an unobtrusive notification icon
informing me that it found an issue which could lead me to a log of why it
thinks my program shouldn't have internet access and an option to disable it
myself.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Again, I just passed on facts, and then said what I prefer to use, and
> what I have used. Each of my posts have been mainly experience and
> facts. I am not making a plug or pledge for anyone, just offering
> information based on reproducable research and testing.
>
> ShadoShyrke
> (AKA James Walker)
>
>
> "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
> news:u972Z7KAKHA.5092@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> If TrendMicro doesn't "focus on home", they should tell Best Buy to stop
>> installing it on new PCs with Vista Home Premium.
>> It does suck because it disconnected my "trusted" program from the
>> internet. If your coffee maker makes coffee but explodes if you use
>> columbian beans while no other coffee maker does, it sucks as a product
>> even if you personally never use columbian beans so you haven't blown it
>> up yet.
>>
>> Again I said "I fortunately haven't had to work with Norton products
>> lately", so hopefully for their sake it doesn't suck anymore, but anyone
>> who has supported them for the past 2 decades is still skeptical. The
>> last time I heard of someone running Norton it was conflicting with
>> another program. We got new PCs for work from IBM with Norton installed.
>> We uninstalled it and installed McAfee.
>>
>> "ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> newsF74D9A4-0915-45BC-B762-F5DBE4B615CF@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Um,
>>>
>>> You do understand that I am a techie. I make my living on supporting
>>> both home and corporate users and environments.
>>>
>>> Something to note, TrendMicro focuses on business, not home. Norton
>>> and Symantec are the same, Norton is their home product and Symantec
>>> Securities is how they market their business products.
>>>
>>> Most of the techies that I work with in the industry do not talk down
>>> Norton's. The people that talk down Norton's are mainly gamers and
>>> game companies. Yet, since the 2003 versions, I have not seen the
>>> issues that most of those companies and gamers complain about. In
>>> testing on 16 different machine configurations, WoW, Everquest2,
>>> Lineage2, Command and Conquer, Age of Empires 2 & 3, Two Worlds, and
>>> even Maple Story had no issues. Game that had issues: City of Heroes,
>>> who's publisher knew there was a script change needed but prefered to
>>> tell users to turn off their AV instead of fixing their script. It
>>> saved them programming cost.
>>>
>>> TrendMicro does not suck, it just did not suit your needs and your
>>> specific setup.
>>>
>>> ShadoShryke
>>> (AKA James Walker)
>>> 15 years of Computer Support (home and business)
>>> MSPP Registered, A+ Cert, MS Office Cert, BSIT: Information Systems
>>> Security
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u0zzboKAKHA.5780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:2C9CF229-976A-4623-8716-39E3CEB2E73D@microsoft.com...
>>>>> There are a number of companies/organizations that review AV programs
>>>>> for overall efficiency, reliability, memory use, guarantees and cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might find it interesting that Norton and TrendMicro have been in
>>>>> the top three for 4-5 years running now. Microsoft made it into the
>>>>> top 10 this past year with One Live Care this past year on two
>>>>> registers. McAfee has dropped to number 5 or lower on 4 different
>>>>> registers in the past two years.
>>>>>
>>>> TrendMicro sucks.
>>>> My new laptop from Best Buy came with TrendMicro Internet Security
>>>> installed (with a free 6 month subscription, after that you pay for
>>>> updates).
>>>> I tried to play a game on the internet and it let me play for a few
>>>> minutes then disconnected me. I added the game program to it's
>>>> "trusted programs" and it still disconnected me. I uninstalled it and
>>>> installed McAfee (provided at no extra cost from my ISP) and haven't
>>>> had any issues since.
>>>>
>>>> I fortunately haven't had to mess with any Norton software lately but
>>>> it's still the number one answer when you ask a techie "what AV program
>>>> is most likely to conflict with other programs?" AV programs are
>>>> useless if they're constantly asking the user what they should allow or
>>>> if they're preventing a program you want to run from running properly.
>>>>
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:530DB2A6-C4D0-4FED-A7E1-949A3BDFD2E5@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> To support my assertions on the possibilities of McAfee not paying
> attention or catching something, please look over this information from
> ICSA
>
>
> This has gone on for three years now with McAfee. The user interface is
> easier that some other AVs and Security software, but the actually
> effectiveness of the work done has to be up to par.
>
> ShadoShyrke
> (AKA James Walker)
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
That link means nothing to me. It says McAfee failed some test from a
division of Verizon with no reason given. The conclusion is Verizon hates
McAfee for some unknown reason, though according to their other page
(http://www.icsalabs.com/icsa/product.php?tid=dfgdf$gdhkkjk-kkkk) they
certified it anyway?
I don't see anywhere that says what ICSA stands for either.
If you're trying to debate, try something more than "some unknown and likely
biased company claims your product failed a test".

 

I ran Norton up until the 2002 versions (home products). After that there
were just tooooo many problems on my computers, and on computers I repaired
for others.

I find it amusing that Norton was the very FIRST company that had to supply
a dedicated web download to remove their defective products!

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u32pDgLAKHA.2604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> >"but anyone who has supported them for the past 2 decades is still
> >skeptical"<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> This is an obvious exaggeration, since that would mean from 1989 to today,
> and until 2000, all of the successful tech that I knew had Norton
> (Symantec) on the top of their list as the best.
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> It does suck because it disconnected my "trusted" program from the
>> internet. If your coffee maker makes coffee but explodes if you use
>> columbian beans while no other coffee maker does, it sucks as a product
>> even if you personally never use columbian beans so you haven't blown it
>> up yet.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> But it did not "blow up", another obvious exaggeration, because it did not
> freeze up and lock up your computer, or fail use as a whole. Instead it
> gummed up on that specific program and only restricted that program.
>
> It occurs to me that maybe it found another security risk with that
> program that McAfee did not catch. Or maybe, as with Cryptic Studios, the
> software producer had something in their script that conflicts with
> something that Trend settings protect. Or maybe that program needed an
> additional porting that you did not catch and that the software publisher
> did not supply to Trend Micro. This happens all the time.
>
> In the current PC market, there is no way to get completely seamless
> operations with ever producers driver, scripts or program at the same
> time. You can get close if intercompany relations and communications are
> good, but not perfect.
>
> Again, I just passed on facts, and then said what I prefer to use, and
> what I have used. Each of my posts have been mainly experience and
> facts. I am not making a plug or pledge for anyone, just offering
> information based on reproducable research and testing.
>
> ShadoShyrke
> (AKA James Walker)
>
>
> "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
> news:u972Z7KAKHA.5092@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> If TrendMicro doesn't "focus on home", they should tell Best Buy to stop
>> installing it on new PCs with Vista Home Premium.
>> It does suck because it disconnected my "trusted" program from the
>> internet. If your coffee maker makes coffee but explodes if you use
>> columbian beans while no other coffee maker does, it sucks as a product
>> even if you personally never use columbian beans so you haven't blown it
>> up yet.
>>
>> Again I said "I fortunately haven't had to work with Norton products
>> lately", so hopefully for their sake it doesn't suck anymore, but anyone
>> who has supported them for the past 2 decades is still skeptical. The
>> last time I heard of someone running Norton it was conflicting with
>> another program. We got new PCs for work from IBM with Norton installed.
>> We uninstalled it and installed McAfee.
>>
>> "ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> newsF74D9A4-0915-45BC-B762-F5DBE4B615CF@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Um,
>>>
>>> You do understand that I am a techie. I make my living on supporting
>>> both home and corporate users and environments.
>>>
>>> Something to note, TrendMicro focuses on business, not home. Norton
>>> and Symantec are the same, Norton is their home product and Symantec
>>> Securities is how they market their business products.
>>>
>>> Most of the techies that I work with in the industry do not talk down
>>> Norton's. The people that talk down Norton's are mainly gamers and
>>> game companies. Yet, since the 2003 versions, I have not seen the
>>> issues that most of those companies and gamers complain about. In
>>> testing on 16 different machine configurations, WoW, Everquest2,
>>> Lineage2, Command and Conquer, Age of Empires 2 & 3, Two Worlds, and
>>> even Maple Story had no issues. Game that had issues: City of Heroes,
>>> who's publisher knew there was a script change needed but prefered to
>>> tell users to turn off their AV instead of fixing their script. It
>>> saved them programming cost.
>>>
>>> TrendMicro does not suck, it just did not suit your needs and your
>>> specific setup.
>>>
>>> ShadoShryke
>>> (AKA James Walker)
>>> 15 years of Computer Support (home and business)
>>> MSPP Registered, A+ Cert, MS Office Cert, BSIT: Information Systems
>>> Security
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u0zzboKAKHA.5780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:2C9CF229-976A-4623-8716-39E3CEB2E73D@microsoft.com...
>>>>> There are a number of companies/organizations that review AV programs
>>>>> for overall efficiency, reliability, memory use, guarantees and cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might find it interesting that Norton and TrendMicro have been in
>>>>> the top three for 4-5 years running now. Microsoft made it into the
>>>>> top 10 this past year with One Live Care this past year on two
>>>>> registers. McAfee has dropped to number 5 or lower on 4 different
>>>>> registers in the past two years.
>>>>>
>>>> TrendMicro sucks.
>>>> My new laptop from Best Buy came with TrendMicro Internet Security
>>>> installed (with a free 6 month subscription, after that you pay for
>>>> updates).
>>>> I tried to play a game on the internet and it let me play for a few
>>>> minutes then disconnected me. I added the game program to it's
>>>> "trusted programs" and it still disconnected me. I uninstalled it and
>>>> installed McAfee (provided at no extra cost from my ISP) and haven't
>>>> had any issues since.
>>>>
>>>> I fortunately haven't had to mess with any Norton software lately but
>>>> it's still the number one answer when you ask a techie "what AV program
>>>> is most likely to conflict with other programs?" AV programs are
>>>> useless if they're constantly asking the user what they should allow or
>>>> if they're preventing a program you want to run from running properly.
>>>>
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:18:48 -0400, "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
>
>"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:2C9CF229-976A-4623-8716-39E3CEB2E73D@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> There are a number of companies/organizations that review AV programs for
>> overall efficiency, reliability, memory use, guarantees and cost.
>>
>> You might find it interesting that Norton and TrendMicro have been in the
>> top three for 4-5 years running now. Microsoft made it into the top 10
>> this past year with One Live Care this past year on two registers. McAfee
>> has dropped to number 5 or lower on 4 different registers in the past two
>> years.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

my vote is 1care. One of those mentioned above, has stopped detecting, and
supporting in favor of just selling subscriptions. 1care beat it hands down
with my machine. I jumped ship 6 months into a subscription, after running the
1care trial and seeing the results.
I was with that software for more than 10 years. And this is a plus, next year
1 care - Morro will be free.

 

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:29:51 -0400, "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>TrendMicro sucks.
>My new laptop from Best Buy came with TrendMicro Internet Security installed
>(with a free 6 month subscription, after that you pay for updates).
>I tried to play a game on the internet and it let me play for a few minutes
>then disconnected me. I added the game program to it's "trusted programs"
>and it still disconnected me. I uninstalled it and installed McAfee
>(provided at no extra cost from my ISP) and haven't had any issues since.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
Did you have it configured correctly ? Trend & the game. That doesn't sound
like normal operation with trend. But it does sound like a configuration
setting of adult controls with Trend. If you don't have access to those
controls, you should probably take it up with your parents.
There IS a Timer setting for games in the adult controls section. A whole slew
of adult controls. If the adult controls are on, that sounds like SOP.

 

I guess you did not bother to read the About Us section of that site:

About Us
For over a decade, ICSA Labs, an independent division of Verizon Business,
has been the security industry's central authority for research,
intelligence, and certification testing of products. ICSA Labs sets
standards for information security products and certifies over 95% of the
installed base of anti-virus, firewall, IPSec VPN, cryptography, SSL VPN,
network IPS, anti-spyware and PC firewall products commonly deployed in the
world today.


What this shows is that McAfee failed the monthly Virus Detection test that
the lab runs: i.e. it did not detect all of the virus/malware that are
required for a ICSA certificate, which means that a number of organizations,
including state and federal, will not trust it.

For US Army Signal Corps, McAfee use to be the most trusted. Not in the
last 5 years though.

It seems that you are just arguing and not debating. You have given no
basis for your reasoning other than word of mouth suppositions because you
could not work one program's network connection.

I can appreciate your own opinion, but that is most of what it seems you are
passing on. As you have proven, I could pass you links with reviews from
independent labs all over the world, and probably even he ISSA, and you
would stick to your guns over one program. That is your right and your
choice.

Personally, I will stick with what I know from a very diverse experience
over the past 25 years and from the techs and developers that I work with on
a daily basis.

Have a great weekend.

ShadoShyrke
(AKA James Walker)


"Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
news:udOOLEMAKHA.4168@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> "ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:530DB2A6-C4D0-4FED-A7E1-949A3BDFD2E5@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> To support my assertions on the possibilities of McAfee not paying
>> attention or catching something, please look over this information from
>> ICSA
>>
>>
>> This has gone on for three years now with McAfee. The user interface is
>> easier that some other AVs and Security software, but the actually
>> effectiveness of the work done has to be up to par.
>>
>> ShadoShyrke
>> (AKA James Walker)
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> That link means nothing to me. It says McAfee failed some test from a
> division of Verizon with no reason given. The conclusion is Verizon hates
> McAfee for some unknown reason, though according to their other page
> (http://www.icsalabs.com/icsa/product.php?tid=dfgdf$gdhkkjk-kkkk) they
> certified it anyway?
> I don't see anywhere that says what ICSA stands for either.
> If you're trying to debate, try something more than "some unknown and
> likely biased company claims your product failed a test".
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

<keepout@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:29:51 -0400, "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote:
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>TrendMicro sucks.
>My new laptop from Best Buy came with TrendMicro Internet Security
>installed
>(with a free 6 month subscription, after that you pay for updates).
>I tried to play a game on the internet and it let me play for a few minutes
>then disconnected me. I added the game program to it's "trusted programs"
>and it still disconnected me. I uninstalled it and installed McAfee
>(provided at no extra cost from my ISP) and haven't had any issues since.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
Did you have it configured correctly ? Trend & the game. That doesn't sound
like normal operation with trend. But it does sound like a configuration
setting of adult controls with Trend. If you don't have access to those
controls, you should probably take it up with your parents.
There IS a Timer setting for games in the adult controls section. A whole
slew
of adult controls. If the adult controls are on, that sounds like SOP.

What a very strange response. I didn't notice any "adult controls" in
TrendMicro Internet Security and I don't know why they would apply. It's
not an "adult" game. It's a MUD. I was running MudMaster 2K6, connecting
to . I shouldn't have any "adult" restrictions turned on
unless you're saying it's a feature of TrendMicro and it treats everyone
like a child by default, and I wouldn't need to take it up with my parents
since I've been an adult for many years. Yes the game is configured
correctly, it works just fine without TrendMicro installed. Apparently
TrendMicro was not configured correctly which is what makes it a really bad
program. It cut off my game without warning even with the game program in
it's "trusted programs" list and gave me no indication of how to configure
it to work. It's like someone getting a new OS and having to figure out
they need to change a registry key before they can view their picture files.

 

Not that Eric needs defending on this, but I have seen this with NAV and
City of Heroes a few times. Over the past few years, the 5 most secure AVs
(as rate by cnet, ICSA, and PCWorld) have occasionally caused intermittent
issues with online games. This generally has to do with the scripts of the
client software for the game, and the timeouts generated for scans by the
active security.

This is not a parental control issue, but can be found randomly between
certain online games that have a large bandwidth footprint. This can also
be found with some VPN software as well. The trunk/channel to the hosting
server just reads with extra timeouts because the active scan is checking a
file or transmission.

I am more carefull about this because I watched a friend get hits on his AV
while playing EQ that identified the virus. We followed the SOE Support
directions and tried turning the AV off and joined in and, low and behold,
his computer was hit with that virus just after the test. We told SOE, and
they claimed no responsibility for any machine connected to their network,
after the support guy said that we were guaranteed that it was just a false
warning.

Since then I would prefer to let the program be blocked and find another
solution (another application) that I like, and not modify my security for a
single program.

ShadoShyrke
(AKA James Walker)



<keepout@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:29:51 -0400, "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>TrendMicro sucks.
>My new laptop from Best Buy came with TrendMicro Internet Security
>installed
>(with a free 6 month subscription, after that you pay for updates).
>I tried to play a game on the internet and it let me play for a few minutes
>then disconnected me. I added the game program to it's "trusted programs"
>and it still disconnected me. I uninstalled it and installed McAfee
>(provided at no extra cost from my ISP) and haven't had any issues since.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
Did you have it configured correctly ? Trend & the game. That doesn't sound
like normal operation with trend. But it does sound like a configuration
setting of adult controls with Trend. If you don't have access to those
controls, you should probably take it up with your parents.
There IS a Timer setting for games in the adult controls section. A whole
slew
of adult controls. If the adult controls are on, that sounds like SOP.

 

As an MS Action Pack subscriber, I was able to test 1care, and I like it.

I also like the Forefront Client for domain use, if set up correctly.
G-Data 2010 is also looking promising.

ShadoShyrke
(AKA James Walker)


<keepout@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:18:48 -0400, "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com>
wrote:
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>
>
>"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:2C9CF229-976A-4623-8716-39E3CEB2E73D@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> There are a number of companies/organizations that review AV programs for
>> overall efficiency, reliability, memory use, guarantees and cost.
>>
>> You might find it interesting that Norton and TrendMicro have been in the
>> top three for 4-5 years running now. Microsoft made it into the top 10
>> this past year with One Live Care this past year on two registers. McAfee
>> has dropped to number 5 or lower on 4 different registers in the past two
>> years.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

my vote is 1care. One of those mentioned above, has stopped detecting, and
supporting in favor of just selling subscriptions. 1care beat it hands down
with my machine. I jumped ship 6 months into a subscription, after running
the
1care trial and seeing the results.
I was with that software for more than 10 years. And this is a plus, next
year
1 care - Morro will be free.

 

"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:672DA8F8-C798-4EAE-8B35-3932B363540F@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>I guess you did not bother to read the About Us section of that site:
>
> About Us
> For over a decade, ICSA Labs, an independent division of Verizon Business,
> has been the security industry's central authority for research,
> intelligence, and certification testing of products. ICSA Labs sets
> standards for information security products and certifies over 95% of the
> installed base of anti-virus, firewall, IPSec VPN, cryptography, SSL VPN,
> network IPS, anti-spyware and PC firewall products commonly deployed in
> the world today.
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
I did read the about us section. That's why I said they're a division of
Verizon, which sounds like something which could make them biased. I didn't
see anywhere that says what ICSA stands for.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> What this shows is that McAfee failed the monthly Virus Detection test
> that the lab runs: i.e. it did not detect all of the virus/malware that
> are required for a ICSA certificate, which means that a number of
> organizations, including state and federal, will not trust it.
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
That makes no sense, since you say they failed a test "required for a ICSA
certificate". I guess you missed the link in my response to the page where
they say McAfee software is certfiied. That also doesn't answer my question
as to what "fail" means. What sort of virus/malware did it not detect? Was
it tested using the latest updates?
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> For US Army Signal Corps, McAfee use to be the most trusted. Not in the
> last 5 years though.
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
You know this how?/
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> It seems that you are just arguing and not debating. You have given no
> basis for your reasoning other than word of mouth suppositions because you
> could not work one program's network connection.
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
I'm not sure what you're referring to with "word of mouth suppositions",
since all I mentioned was that from my personal experience as well as
everyone I know, McAfee hasn't caused any problems and TrendMicro has.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> I can appreciate your own opinion, but that is most of what it seems you
> are passing on. As you have proven, I could pass you links with reviews
> from independent labs all over the world, and probably even he ISSA, and
> you would stick to your guns over one program. That is your right and
> your choice.
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
If all you care about is "links with reviews", here's one.

I'd bet every AV software has positive and negative reviews from various
sources.
My first concern is whether the AV program prevents productivity. Once it
passes that test, we'll look into what sort of malware it's able to detect
and block. TrendMicro failed.
Productivity test is simple:
Does it prevent other valid programs (besides other AV programs) from
functioning properly?
Does it ask users questions they wouldn't necessarily know the answer to, or
shouldn't need to care about?
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Personally, I will stick with what I know from a very diverse experience
> over the past 25 years and from the techs and developers that I work with
> on a daily basis.
>
> Have a great weekend.
>
> ShadoShyrke
> (AKA James Walker)
>
>
> "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
> news:udOOLEMAKHA.4168@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> "ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:530DB2A6-C4D0-4FED-A7E1-949A3BDFD2E5@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> To support my assertions on the possibilities of McAfee not paying
>>> attention or catching something, please look over this information from
>>> ICSA
>>>
>>>
>>> This has gone on for three years now with McAfee. The user interface is
>>> easier that some other AVs and Security software, but the actually
>>> effectiveness of the work done has to be up to par.
>>>
>>> ShadoShyrke
>>> (AKA James Walker)
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>> That link means nothing to me. It says McAfee failed some test from a
>> division of Verizon with no reason given. The conclusion is Verizon
>> hates McAfee for some unknown reason, though according to their other
>> page (http://www.icsalabs.com/icsa/product.php?tid=dfgdf$gdhkkjk-kkkk)
>> they certified it anyway?
>> I don't see anywhere that says what ICSA stands for either.
>> If you're trying to debate, try something more than "some unknown and
>> likely biased company claims your product failed a test".
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

You do realize that this response, did less for your cause.

He was talking about the "time of play" parental controls. His comments
were all towards that, not adult content, but I can understand your
confusion.

No worries. You want a "set and forget" system, not a "I control the
features" AV. That was what Norton 360 and G-Data have gone in the
direction of.

McAfee did that as well and unfortunately sacrificed some security in the
process. They are working hard to get that fixed, and I hope that they
manage because competition in the market is good for everyone.

Cheers!

ShadoShyrke
(AKA James Walker)


"Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com> wrote in message
news:e7qklQNAKHA.1488@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> <keepout@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
> newssic555j8jb2u2p839mv5nqdbq8gkuj44l@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:29:51 -0400, "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com>
> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>TrendMicro sucks.
>>My new laptop from Best Buy came with TrendMicro Internet Security
>>installed
>>(with a free 6 month subscription, after that you pay for updates).
>>I tried to play a game on the internet and it let me play for a few
>>minutes
>>then disconnected me. I added the game program to it's "trusted programs"
>>and it still disconnected me. I uninstalled it and installed McAfee
>>(provided at no extra cost from my ISP) and haven't had any issues since.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> Did you have it configured correctly ? Trend & the game. That doesn't
> sound
> like normal operation with trend. But it does sound like a configuration
> setting of adult controls with Trend. If you don't have access to those
> controls, you should probably take it up with your parents.
> There IS a Timer setting for games in the adult controls section. A whole
> slew
> of adult controls. If the adult controls are on, that sounds like SOP.
>
> What a very strange response. I didn't notice any "adult controls" in
> TrendMicro Internet Security and I don't know why they would apply. It's
> not an "adult" game. It's a MUD. I was running MudMaster 2K6, connecting
> to . I shouldn't have any "adult" restrictions turned on
> unless you're saying it's a feature of TrendMicro and it treats everyone
> like a child by default, and I wouldn't need to take it up with my parents
> since I've been an adult for many years. Yes the game is configured
> correctly, it works just fine without TrendMicro installed. Apparently
> TrendMicro was not configured correctly which is what makes it a really
> bad program. It cut off my game without warning even with the game
> program in it's "trusted programs" list and gave me no indication of how
> to configure it to work. It's like someone getting a new OS and having to
> figure out they need to change a registry key before they can view their
> picture files.
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->