Where is Search?

MaryL;696272 Wrote: <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "t-4-2" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message
> news:de30559a22d8271110003c043ea90a85@xxxxxx-gateway.com...> > > <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > >
> > > MaryL;696231 Wrote:
> > > Hello MaryL,
> > > Nice to know you finally got what you wanted. Just one clarification<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > :<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > it wasn't "a Vista Forum "password that got you what you wanted. It's
> > > because you finally gave yourself "a password" which was needed in<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > this<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > case to finish the installation. Make sure you Remember the password,
> > > keep it somewhere for reference. See ya.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > t-4-2 > > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> NO! I have lots of passwords for numerous groups (and have to keep a
> file so
> I can remember them all). I was in the Vista Forums address, and that
> is
> where I had to *register* and enter both a password and username.
> This same
> password and username must be entered if I want to post anything to
> Vista
> Forums.
>
> MaryL<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
Yes, I misinterpreted what you wrote. It was late, I should say, early
in the morning reading your post. It's bed time, afternoon shift
to-morrow. Good night.


--
t-4-2

 

"Dzomlija" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
news:7ec7542cfdf41f95f6ce7f40c74c5696@nntp-gateway.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> MaryL;696014 Wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> I have always had two Search options under Vista. If I click on the
>> Start
>> button, there is a box at the bottom of the screen where I can enter a
>> term
>> and search. That option has never been very helpful. However, there was
>> previously another Search option after I clicked on Start. It was among
>> the
>> list on the right side that includes Control Panel, Default Programs,
>> Help
>> and Support, etc. Using that option, I could enter locations to search
>> -- I
>> usually only want to search Drive C and am not interested in searching
>> the
>> Internet with this option.
>>
>> Well, that second item seems to have disappeared! Help! Have I lost my
>> mind? As far as I can tell, this happened only after SP1 was installed.
>> I
>> located the same box by going to Help and Support and searching for it
>> there
>> (ironic, isn't it?), but I could not figure out where it is actually
>> located. It doesn't make much sense to search for a search box so that
>> I
>> can enter information in the search box!!!
>>
>> Can any of you tell from this description what has happened and how I
>> can
>> solve the problem? It would even help if I could create a shortcut to
>> the
>> desktop for that Search box, but that could not be done within the box.
>>
>> Thanks (and I hope you can decipher all this...)
>> MaryL<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> MaryL, I've read all the replies to you original post, and noticed that
> no-one mentioned the 2 easiest shortcuts there are, instead they
> overloaded you with registry hacks and tweaks that replaced other
> functionality.
>
> To access Search, as you know it, you can either open a Windows
> Explorer view, and then use the Search box in the upper-right corner of
> the window, or you can use the <WINKEY>+<F> to open the same Search
> Window that was always opened with the Search Command on the start menu.
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Perfect! Thanks very much.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> But as for why the Search item was removed from the Start Menu, you can
> thank Google for that. They cried foul like a bunch of 5 year olds about
> it, and ran to the US Department of Justice, who in turn told Microsoft
> that they are being uncompetitive and "asked them nicely" to remove it.
> The whole idea was that Google claimed that if Search is so tightly
> integrated into the OS, then no-one will use their own products (which,
> personally, I believe is a bunch of rubbish - Windows Search is a far
> superior product)
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I noticed references to that in the process of looking for a solution. I
would think MS could have come up with a simple alternative for those of use
who want it (such as, the easy way we had in XP of creating shortcuts to the
desktop).<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> --
> Dzomlija
>
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>
> _*Prometheus*_
> MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
> CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
> RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
> GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
> BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
> OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64
> ()'[image:
> ' > ([url=http://valid.x86-secret.c.../333562.png[url]) <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Glad to help.

MaryL;696296 Wrote: <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Dzomlija" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message
> news:7ec7542cfdf41f95f6ce7f40c74c5696@xxxxxx-gateway.com...> > > <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > >
> > > MaryL;696014 Wrote:
> > >
> > > MaryL, I've read all the replies to you original post, and noticed<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > that<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > no-one mentioned the 2 easiest shortcuts there are, instead they
> > > overloaded you with registry hacks and tweaks that replaced other
> > > functionality.
> > >
> > > To access Search, as you know it, you can either open a Windows
> > > Explorer view, and then use the Search box in the upper-right corner<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > of<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > the window, or you can use the <WINKEY>+<F> to open the same Search
> > > Window that was always opened with the Search Command on the start<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > menu.<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > > > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Perfect! Thanks very much.
>
>
> I noticed references to that in the process of looking for a
> solution. I
> would think MS could have come up with a simple alternative for those
> of use
> who want it (such as, the easy way we had in XP of creating shortcuts
> to the
> desktop).> > > <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dzomlija
> > >
> > > Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> > > -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> > > you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
> > >
> > > _*Prometheus*_
> > > MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
> > > CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
> > > RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
> > > GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
> > > BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
> > > OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64
> > > ('CPU-Z Validator 2.1'<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > ())'[image:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > ' > > > ([url=http://valid.x86-secr....x86-secret.com/cache/banner/333562.png[url])

 

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:11:01 -0700, lforbes wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> You will need to run regedit to accomplish this. I was pretty
> annoyed at Microsoft for doing this too. I cannot imagine WHY it
> had to take away all reference to the search function in order to
> allow other search engines.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

To make it easier to run alternatives? I use X2, it's free and far
superior.

--
Chris Game

"I don't know why I did it, I don't know why I enjoyed it,
and I don't know why I'll do it again." -- Bart Simpson

 

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:06:25 -0500, t-4-2 wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Yes, I misinterpreted what you wrote. It was late, I should say,
> early in the morning reading your post. It's bed time, afternoon
> shift to-morrow. Good night.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

When you're in a hole, stop digging!

--
Chris Game

"A witty saying proves nothing." -- Voltaire

 

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:54:47 -0500, Dzomlija wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> The whole idea was that Google claimed that if Search is so
> tightly integrated into the OS, then no-one will use their own
> products (which, personally, I believe is a bunch of rubbish -
> Windows Search is a far superior product)<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I think Google had a good point, reduce the functionality of Windows
to that of a platform to run other utilities and applications. I
personally use X1 for search and it seems very good, there are other
(free) alternatives too.

--
Chris Game

"There is much pleasure to be gained in useless knowledge."
-- Bertrand Russell

 

Chris Game;696351 Wrote: <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:11:01 -0700, lforbes wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > >
> > > You will need to run regedit to accomplish this. I was pretty
> > > annoyed at Microsoft for doing this too. I cannot imagine WHY it
> > > had to take away all reference to the search function in order to
> > > allow other search engines. > > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> To make it easier to run alternatives? I use X2, it's free and far
> superior.
>
> --
> Chris Game
>
> "I don't know why I did it, I don't know why I enjoyed it,
> and I don't know why I'll do it again." -- Bart Simpson<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

The Search command was removed from the start menu (long with other
references) not to make it easier to install third-party alternatives,
but because with a search tool as visible as it originally was, Google
incorrectly understood that people wouldn't even bother to use third
party tools - so they had the DOJ "ask" Microsoft to make Windows Search
less visible, thus making it more likely for users to try third-party
tools. If anyone should be annoyed it should be us. Microsoft should
never have fallen for Googles 5-year-old-temper-tantrum.


--
Dzomlija

Peter Alexander Dzomlija
-Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
you die, so shall I be Reborn...-

_*Prometheus*_
MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64
()'[image:
' ([url=http://valid.x86-secret.com....x86-secret.com/cache/banner/333562.png[url])

 

Search link (present in the right-hand side of the Start menu) is removed when you install Windows Vista Service Pack 1. Also, the Search context menu item is removed.

There are other ways to launch search. For more information, read this article.

Overview of Windows Vista desktop search Changes in Windows Vista Service Pack 1:


If you wish to restore the Start menu Search link, check this post for a registry edit.

Search. context menu option removed in Vista Service Pack 1 | The Winhelponline.com Blog:


Restore the Start menu Search link in Vista Service Pack 1 | The Winhelponline.com Blog:



--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows Shell/User]
Windows® Troubleshooting
Winhelponline.com blog


"MaryL" <stancole1@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message news:%23guasjLqIHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
I have always had two Search options under Vista. If I click on the Start
button, there is a box at the bottom of the screen where I can enter a term
and search. That option has never been very helpful. However, there was
previously another Search option after I clicked on Start. It was among the
list on the right side that includes Control Panel, Default Programs, Help
and Support, etc. Using that option, I could enter locations to search -- I
usually only want to search Drive C and am not interested in searching the
Internet with this option.

Well, that second item seems to have disappeared! Help! Have I lost my
mind? As far as I can tell, this happened only after SP1 was installed. I
located the same box by going to Help and Support and searching for it there
(ironic, isn't it?), but I could not figure out where it is actually
located. It doesn't make much sense to search for a search box so that I
can enter information in the search box!!!

Can any of you tell from this description what has happened and how I can
solve the problem? It would even help if I could create a shortcut to the
desktop for that Search box, but that could not be done within the box.

Thanks (and I hope you can decipher all this...)
MaryL

 

"Chris Game" <chrisgame@example.net> wrote in message
news:135aiojn6ocl2$.dlg@example9876.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:54:47 -0500, Dzomlija wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> The whole idea was that Google claimed that if Search is so
>> tightly integrated into the OS, then no-one will use their own
>> products (which, personally, I believe is a bunch of rubbish -
>> Windows Search is a far superior product)<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> I think Google had a good point, reduce the functionality of Windows
> to that of a platform to run other utilities and applications. I
> personally use X1 for search and it seems very good, there are other
> (free) alternatives too.
>
> --
> Chris Game
>
> "There is much pleasure to be gained in useless knowledge."
> -- Bertrand Russell<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

My concern is that I used Windows Search to search *my own documents.* The
search line that appears at the top of each folder does not provide any
options ("advanced search"), as this one does. Ironically, I had to remove
the Google Toolbar because it caused frequent "program does not respond"
problems, and I have not had any problems since deleting it.

MaryL

 

"Chris Game" <chrisgame@example.net> wrote in message
news:1q1xcgmmkc9ux$.dlg@example9876.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:11:01 -0700, lforbes wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> You will need to run regedit to accomplish this. I was pretty
>> annoyed at Microsoft for doing this too. I cannot imagine WHY it
>> had to take away all reference to the search function in order to
>> allow other search engines.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> To make it easier to run alternatives? I use X2, it's free and far
> superior.
>
> --
> Chris Game
>
> "I don't know why I did it, I don't know why I enjoyed it,
> and I don't know why I'll do it again." -- Bart Simpson<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I'm not familiar with X2. I did a search, and did locate this information
for X1 (which looks interesting):
Is that the program you are talking about? If so, can you direct me to the
page for the free version?

Thanks,
MaryL

 

"Dzomlija" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
news:7ec7542cfdf41f95f6ce7f40c74c5696@nntp-gateway.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> .. Windows Search is a far
> superior product)<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I disagree. The new Vista search is flawed -- at least on my machine -- and
needs to be redesigned.



Perhaps I'm in a minority, but Vista search HAS NEVER WORKED for me. I have
shown Microsoft that I can have identical files and Vista can find a string
in some of the files but CANNOT find the same string in identical files. I
can index and re-index (which takes hours) and Vista search still cannot
find all of the identical files.



I want the "Advanced Search" almost all the time, and Vista search makes
getting to that more difficult. The checkbox "Include non-indexed, hidden,
and system-files (might be slow)" doesn't work for me. Why provide an
option that doesn't work?



Being forced to index one's whole filesystem before any search can work may
be what some want, but I have many legacy files, and files from Apple and
Linux environments that Vista refuses to search -- many of these files
should never be indexed, but I may need to search them occasionally.
Microsoft doesn't care (more material for the PC-Apple commercials, I
guess).



The new Vista search for me is a huge disaster. I cannot find many old
files, and Microsoft simply doesn't care. I have seen search work on
another Vista machine, but it has never worked for me on my Vista "Ultimate"
disappointment PC. I am amazed how little curiosity Microsoft has in how
their new Vista search fails, and how little support they give to people
willing to embrace their new products. Soon, I will have spent a YEAR
looking for a way to get Vista search to work. Microsoft management now
blocks my E-mail requests for help, or simply ignores them.



Give me XP or Windows 2000 back so I can find my files again. Until Vista
search is fixed, I have found "Agent Ransack" provides a reliable string
search in Vista.



Vista search is fast and sometimes works well. But it does not always
return all results, and you never know when you can trust its results. So
what good is it?



Overall I have liked Vista, but what good is it when I cannot find my old
files? What good is Vista if Microsoft won't support it? Thank you NOT to
Microsoft's VP Jim Sullivan for NOT helping get Vista's search to work, or
giving me permission to downgrade to XP and be productive again. Microsoft
only wants more money. They don't care if you can't be productive with
their new products.

 

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:31:14 -0500, "Celegans"
<Celegans@nospam.nospam> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>I disagree. The new Vista search is flawed -- at least on my machine -- and
>needs to be redesigned.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Nice little two-word solution : Agent Ransack.

JD

 

It doesn't delete anything. If you delete the key it will RETURN the Search
to the Context Menus (Right Click menus) although not to the start menu.

My Run is still on the start menu.

Cheers,
Lara

"MaryL" wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> "lforbes" <lforbes@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:8CF6DE64-B1CB-4DAC-AC9C-2D00A5A4E5D7@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> > Hi Mary,
> >
> > You will need to run regedit to accomplish this. I was pretty annoyed at
> > Microsoft for doing this too. I cannot imagine WHY it had to take away all
> > reference to the search function in order to allow other search engines. I
> > don't want to install a Google search.
> >
> > Open Regedit
> > Navigate to:
> >
> > HKEY_CLASSES_ROOTDirectoryshellfind
> > In the right pane, right click on LegacyDisable and click Delete.
> > Click Yes to confirm deletion.
> > Restart.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Lara<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Will that delete the Help and Support button, or will it simply add the
> Search button back to its original position? (And have you also noticed
> that the Run button has been missing since SP1?)
>
> Thanks!
> MaryL
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

I agree. What I don't get is Mac is able to make an OS where nothing runs on
it except Mac allowed software.

Why oh why would I WANT Google installed. It kills my resources.

Cheers,
Lara

"Dzomlija" wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> Chris Game;696351 Wrote: <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> > On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:11:01 -0700, lforbes wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > > >
> > > > You will need to run regedit to accomplish this. I was pretty
> > > > annoyed at Microsoft for doing this too. I cannot imagine WHY it
> > > > had to take away all reference to the search function in order to
> > > > allow other search engines. > > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> >
> > To make it easier to run alternatives? I use X2, it's free and far
> > superior.
> >
> > --
> > Chris Game
> >
> > "I don't know why I did it, I don't know why I enjoyed it,
> > and I don't know why I'll do it again." -- Bart Simpson<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> The Search command was removed from the start menu (long with other
> references) not to make it easier to install third-party alternatives,
> but because with a search tool as visible as it originally was, Google
> incorrectly understood that people wouldn't even bother to use third
> party tools - so they had the DOJ "ask" Microsoft to make Windows Search
> less visible, thus making it more likely for users to try third-party
> tools. If anyone should be annoyed it should be us. Microsoft should
> never have fallen for Googles 5-year-old-temper-tantrum.
>
>
> --
> Dzomlija
>
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>
> _*Prometheus*_
> MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
> CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
> RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
> GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
> BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
> OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64
> ()'[image:
> ' > ([url=http://valid.x86-secret.c...33562.png[url]) > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Thanks for this - the third link provided gave access to the solution. I
only took on SP1 once MS pushed it out on Windows Update, so not long back.
Didn't actually spot the link between losing the 'search' options and
installing SP1 ...

Regards, Ian in UK

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Overview of Windows Vista desktop search Changes in Windows Vista Service Pack 1
>
>
> Microsoft details Vista SP1 search changes
>
>
> How to Restore the Search Context Menu Item after Installing the Vista SP1
>
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience -
> Windows Vista Enthusiast
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "MaryL" wrote:
>
> I have always had two Search options under Vista. If I click on the Start
> button, there is a box at the bottom of the screen where I can enter a term
> and search. That option has never been very helpful. However, there was
> previously another Search option after I clicked on Start. It was among the
> list on the right side that includes Control Panel, Default Programs, Help
> and Support, etc. Using that option, I could enter locations to search -- I
> usually only want to search Drive C and am not interested in searching the
> Internet with this option.
>
> Well, that second item seems to have disappeared! Help! Have I lost my
> mind? As far as I can tell, this happened only after SP1 was installed. I
> located the same box by going to Help and Support and searching for it there
> (ironic, isn't it?), but I could not figure out where it is actually
> located. It doesn't make much sense to search for a search box so that I
> can enter information in the search box!!!
>
> Can any of you tell from this description what has happened and how I can
> solve the problem? It would even help if I could create a shortcut to the
> desktop for that Search box, but that could not be done within the box.
>
> Thanks (and I hope you can decipher all this...)
> MaryL
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->