what does Windows Defender really protects and scans for?

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:30:19 -0500, "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>
wrote:
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> "ARH" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:uN3DlLbPIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> > "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
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> >> "ARH" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:uu6Hx5ZPIHA.3556@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>> "bomb#20" <darkstar@home> wrote in message
> >>> news:uYydnTKkUpYKYP3aRVnyjgA@giganews.com...
> >>>> momo wrote:
> >>> I our case in this office with around over 20+ computers, no virus was
> >>> ever found for 3 years since I am here. We have Norton, McAfee and Micro
> >>> Trend. Only those so call virus was found were cookies.
> >>
> >> You use three AVs on one machine? Or, those three are used separately
> >> on different machines?
> >>
> >> I certainly hope your IT guy doesn't run those three in real-time
> >> at once. That's just ignorant.
> >>
> >> I use NOD32 on all my machines and ClamWin as an on-demand
> >> second opinion.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> > No, we have over 30+ machines. Each machine only use one antivirus program.
> > Typically these antivirus programs comes pre-installed in the systems, such
> > as Dell or HP... <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> IMO, using the same AV for all computers makes much
> more sense. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->



I completely agree. In my view, it makes *no* sense for one
organization to use different anti-virus products on its computers.
What's pre-installed doesn't matter. The pre-installed stuff should be
removed, and the anti-virus product of that organization's choice
should be installed on all the machines.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Bomb#20: Why do your ask? If you have a really good antivirus program working, you would never see
a virus without purposely looking in the history file. AVG kills incoming viruses and I have it
set not to ask me what to do.

"bomb#20" <darkstar@home> wrote in message news:3sGdnXydH-BQ9fzanZ2dnUVZ8rednZ2d@giganews.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Straight Talk wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:37:57 -0800, "ARH" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> I our case in this office with around over 20+ computers, no virus
>>> was ever found for 3 years since I am here.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Really?
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> We have Norton, McAfee and Micro Trend.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Oh, that explains why nothing was found.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> What antivirus software do you use ?
> When did you last get a virus ?
> .
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

ArameFarpado wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Em Quinta, 13 de Dezembro de 2007 15:37, ARH escreveu:
>
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> I our case in this office with around over 20+ computers, no virus
>> was ever found for 3 years since I am here.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> That is not normal at all, with all the malware out there, you guys
> never catch one??
> Are those Anti-virus working at all?
>
> We have norton corporated on a network of > 200 Pc's and it catch
> about 100 virus every day... busy, busy, busy norton...<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Could you post just one day's entry from the Norton log ?
I would really like to see which viruses are out there.
Thanks for your time.
..

 

Richard in AZ wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Bomb#20: Why do your ask? If you have a really good antivirus
> program working, you would never see a virus without purposely
> looking in the history file. AVG kills incoming viruses and I have
> it set not to ask me what to do.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I don't have any antivirus software. I haven't had a virus since XP pre sp1.
I am trying to find antivirus software to install that actually catches something.
So far nobody can give me any evidence that their preferred antivirus program
catches any viruses.
Would you care to post your AVG history file?
Thanks.
..

 

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:3v03m3tp484qi6p0rmvupgvvpcdmktnn03@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:30:19 -0500, "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>
> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "ARH" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:uN3DlLbPIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>> > "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> > news:uqaLB%23ZPIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> "ARH" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:uu6Hx5ZPIHA.3556@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >>> "bomb#20" <darkstar@home> wrote in message
>> >>> news:uYydnTKkUpYKYP3aRVnyjgA@giganews.com...
>> >>>> momo wrote:
>> >>> I our case in this office with around over 20+ computers, no virus was
>> >>> ever found for 3 years since I am here. We have Norton, McAfee and Micro
>> >>> Trend. Only those so call virus was found were cookies.
>> >>
>> >> You use three AVs on one machine? Or, those three are used separately
>> >> on different machines?
>> >>
>> >> I certainly hope your IT guy doesn't run those three in real-time
>> >> at once. That's just ignorant.
>> >>
>> >> I use NOD32 on all my machines and ClamWin as an on-demand
>> >> second opinion.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>> > No, we have over 30+ machines. Each machine only use one antivirus program.
>> > Typically these antivirus programs comes pre-installed in the systems, such
>> > as Dell or HP...<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> IMO, using the same AV for all computers makes much
>> more sense.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> I completely agree. In my view, it makes *no* sense for one
> organization to use different anti-virus products on its computers.
> What's pre-installed doesn't matter. The pre-installed stuff should be
> removed, and the anti-virus product of that organization's choice
> should be installed on all the machines.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Absolutely, Ken.


-Michael

 

"bomb#20" <darkstar@home> wrote in message
news:sM6dnasn9O8MF_zanZ2dnUVZ8qClnZ2d@giganews.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Richard in AZ wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Bomb#20: Why do your ask? If you have a really good antivirus
>> program working, you would never see a virus without purposely
>> looking in the history file. AVG kills incoming viruses and I have
>> it set not to ask me what to do.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> I don't have any antivirus software. I haven't had a virus since XP pre sp1.
> I am trying to find antivirus software to install that actually catches something.
> So far nobody can give me any evidence that their preferred antivirus program
> catches any viruses.
> Would you care to post your AVG history file?
> Thanks.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

How do you know you for sure you don't have a critter or two?
With an AV, I don't trust it absolutely but it is another layer
of defense... so long as a user doesn't go overboard.

Some of the more clever critters will actually delete other
viruses/trojans/spyware.... their goal not destruction but
deception and stealth. Two of the biggest weaknesses of
different malware is their presence can be immediately
felt, either by their destructive payload or they open the
door for other infections... the computer eventually comes
to a crawl and even the most ignorant of users finally figures
out something is wrong. The more evil ones let your computer
operate normally and even "protecting" you from other infections.


-Michael

 

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:O5bfqFcPIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> I completely agree. In my view, it makes *no* sense for one
>> organization to use different anti-virus products on its computers.
>> What's pre-installed doesn't matter. The pre-installed stuff should be
>> removed, and the anti-virus product of that organization's choice
>> should be installed on all the machines.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Absolutely, Ken.
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

No, use the pre-installed free anti-virus programs that came with all these
systems make much more sense.

If basic on what you said, we will have to pay a lots of money on license
fee and updates for each machine?

 

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:eyFBlLcPIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "bomb#20" <darkstar@home> wrote in message<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> How do you know you for sure you don't have a critter or two?
> With an AV, I don't trust it absolutely but it is another layer
> of defense... so long as a user doesn't go overboard.
>
> Some of the more clever critters will actually delete other
> viruses/trojans/spyware.... their goal not destruction but
> deception and stealth. Two of the biggest weaknesses of
> different malware is their presence can be immediately
> felt, either by their destructive payload or they open the
> door for other infections... the computer eventually comes
> to a crawl and even the most ignorant of users finally figures
> out something is wrong. The more evil ones let your computer
> operate normally and even "protecting" you from other infections.
>
>
> -Michael<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

There are quite a few FREE online anti-virus, anti-spyware, anti-adware,
scanners.

They are from Micro Trend and Comupter Assocates, ... and many more others.
Its updated every time you run online.

 

"ARH" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:O5bfqFcPIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>
>>> I completely agree. In my view, it makes *no* sense for one
>>> organization to use different anti-virus products on its computers.
>>> What's pre-installed doesn't matter. The pre-installed stuff should be
>>> removed, and the anti-virus product of that organization's choice
>>> should be installed on all the machines.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Absolutely, Ken.
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> No, use the pre-installed free anti-virus programs that came with all
> these systems make much more sense.
>
> If basic on what you said, we will have to pay a lots of money on license
> fee and updates for each machine?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

We have a site license for Norman (not Norton!) AV and it's much easier to
manage
just one program than to deal with the different updating procedures than if
we used
a hodge-podge of different AV programs. We only order Dells and delete any
AV
programs that come on them. We specify no AV program on configurations
where
that's possible.

Tom Lake
Information Systems Administrator
St. Regis Mohawk Tribe
Environment Division

 

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:22:19 -0800, "ARH" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:O5bfqFcPIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> >>
> >> I completely agree. In my view, it makes *no* sense for one
> >> organization to use different anti-virus products on its computers.
> >> What's pre-installed doesn't matter. The pre-installed stuff should be
> >> removed, and the anti-virus product of that organization's choice
> >> should be installed on all the machines.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> >
> > Absolutely, Ken.
> ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> No, use the pre-installed free anti-virus programs that came with all these
> systems make much more sense.
>
> If basic on what you said, we will have to pay a lots of money on license
> fee and updates for each machine?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


No you don't. Some of the best antivirus software (Avast and AVG, for
example) is freeware.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Em Quinta, 13 de Dezembro de 2007 19:31, bomb#20 escreveu:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> Could you post just one day's entry from the Norton log ?
> I would really like to see which viruses are out there.
> Thanks for your time.
> .<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Sorry, the administrator cheaf (not me) had configured norton to delete log
entries, and he don't want to change configurations...
each norton on each pc is just loging statistics, like, nº of threads found,
nº of threads clean, and send it to a server... no details about which
threads, unless the thread could not be cleaned.
the 100 virus a day i sayd, is a sum of all the nortons running on the
network.

i can tell you this, theres is a bastard called w32.spybot that knocks at
the door several times a day, i'm sure about this one because it appears
many many times.

of course, even with norton corporate edition and a very restricted internet
access, he've had a few efective infections...



regards

 

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:15:33 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>Some of the best antivirus software (Avast and AVG, for
>example) is freeware.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Agreed. Why pay for a security measure that by design cannot be
reliable anyway.

 

Straight Talk wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:15:33 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
> <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Some of the best antivirus software (Avast and AVG, for
>> example) is freeware.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Agreed. Why pay for a security measure that by design cannot be
> reliable anyway.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Have you tried many of these sort of programs ? I 've not been impressed with those that I've tried.
If you were going to run one which one would it be ?
Thanks.
..

 

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:13:29 -0000, "bomb#20" <darkstar@home> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>Straight Talk wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:15:33 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
>> <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote:
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Some of the best antivirus software (Avast and AVG, for
>>> example) is freeware.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Agreed. Why pay for a security measure that by design cannot be
>> reliable anyway.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>Have you tried many of these sort of programs ? <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Yes.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>I 've not been impressed with those that I've tried.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Me neither.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>If you were going to run one which one would it be ?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

There really isn't one I can recommend, since they seldom help you the
day you really need it. But if someone *forced* me to use one I would
go for one that wouldn't hook deeply into the system and that would
use as little resources as possible *g*

 

Em Sexta, 14 de Dezembro de 2007 21:15, Straight Talk escreveu:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:13:29 -0000, "bomb#20" <darkstar@home> wrote:
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>Straight Talk wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:15:33 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
>>> <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some of the best antivirus software (Avast and AVG, for
>>>> example) is freeware.
>>>
>>> Agreed. Why pay for a security measure that by design cannot be
>>> reliable anyway.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>Have you tried many of these sort of programs ?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Yes.
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>I 've not been impressed with those that I've tried.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Me neither.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

That makes 3 of us...

i have a little virus collection (less than 50 infected files), and it's
enought to see that AVG and Kaspersky catches only 60% of them, letting 40%
of them pass away.
another thing i've found is AVG and Kaspersky do FUD on the users:
AVG and Kaspersy (specialy AVG) triger a lot of false alarms with cracks and
key generators... it's just FUD, i've seen AVG go "on" many times when
handling files there're game cracks or key generators.

 

I had Windows Defender for all of a week. It was more bother than any
help. AdAware picked up more spyware than it ever did and I still think
that some of my subsequent HP Printer software problems may have been
exascerbated by Defender. Why do I always forget that Microsoft
downloads always seem to cause me more problems than they answer? I
keep hoping they are going to live up to their press/pricing...


Karo
Win XP Pro

 

Em Sábado, 15 de Dezembro de 2007 09:43, bomb#20 escreveu:
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>
> Well, I have to disagree !! <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

again, i wasn't talking about patches...
and a key generator doesn't alter the program, it just give us a string that
we must input (typing) that string in some other locked program, the same
way as if we really purchase a licence to the program. no alterations are
made on the program, it continues in it's original code. you see a lot of
this in shareware programs, a string is necessary to unlock the program so
it can move from demo mode to full features mode.

 

"Tom Lake" <toml_12953@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news8E639F4-6DDB-4625-836C-04701042371A@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> We have a site license for Norman (not Norton!) AV and it's much easier
>> to<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> manage
> just one program than to deal with the different updating procedures than
> if we used
> a hodge-podge of different AV programs. We only order Dells and delete
> any AV
> programs that come on them. We specify no AV program on configurations
> where
> that's possible.
>
> Tom Lake
> Information Systems Administrator
> St. Regis Mohawk Tribe
> Environment Division
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

That makes no sense at all.

That means you freeze all your computer models and OS at one time to get
your license.

What about next year, and the one after that, and so on...
We have to keep many different OS and many different computer, for different
department, etc.

For example, we have to keep XP for many CAD programs.

Some still are in Windows 2000.

We found keeping all those free anti-virus program when we bought the
systems, seems to be the optimal choice at this time.

 

> I don't have any antivirus software. I haven't had a virus since XP pre <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> sp1.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Same here. Two years continuously connected to the Internet via a NAT
router - the first year running XP SP2, the second year running Vista Home
Premium.

Not a single virus. I know this because three times a year I use
Kaspersky's online scanner (which they say is as good as their "real" one),
and every time it comes up blank.

I don't know what some people do to get virus infections, but I think the
case for anti-virus software is EXTREMELY weak. Too weak for me to want to
use it.

SteveT

 

LOL!

"Straight Talk" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0am2m39l0lnujl8k96bmaq8jjndnamodh7@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:37:57 -0800, "ARH" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>I our case in this office with around over 20+ computers, no virus was
>>ever
>>found for 3 years since I am here.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Really?
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>We have Norton, McAfee and Micro Trend.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Oh, that explains why nothing was found. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->