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Discussion in 'Windows Vista' started by John Rivers, Oct 9, 2009.

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  1. John Rivers

    John Rivers Guest

    I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
    £2000

    not including my time - It will take around 100 hours

    This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
    not work on Vista

    and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
    product"
    even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different
    OS

    Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
    be worked around

    All this takes time MY VALUABLE time

    In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money

    In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to
    Windows 2000 and Windows XP were great

    But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly
    transparent to normal users - even monster power users like me

    I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem

    just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more
    money out of us

    If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
    Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users

    or to me

    I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
    GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
     
    John Rivers, Oct 9, 2009
    #1
  3. Richard Urban

    Richard Urban Guest

    "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
    I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
    £2000

    not including my time - It will take around 100 hours

    This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
    not work on Vista

    and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
    product"
    even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different
    OS

    Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
    be worked around

    All this takes time MY VALUABLE time

    In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money

    In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to
    Windows 2000 and Windows XP were great

    But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly
    transparent to normal users - even monster power users like me

    I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem

    just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more
    money out of us

    If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
    Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users

    or to me

    I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
    GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)


    *******************************************

    My benefit is this!

    Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.

    What more can I say?

    --

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience & Security
     
    Richard Urban, Oct 9, 2009
    #2
  4. Spanketh Thy Monkey

    Spanketh Thy Monkey Guest

    "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
    > £2000
    >
    > not including my time - It will take around 100 hours<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Damn you are slow. Took me about 2 hours including install and
    configuration of system. This includes many third party apps.
    Sounds like Windows is way over your head.<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
    > not work on Vista<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Stick with XP then.
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
    > product"<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    They don't expect you to do anything. If it doesn't work for you then stick
    with what you have. No big deal.
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different
    > OS
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Way over your head. Stay where you are.

    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
    > be worked around<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    So.
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Sounds like your valuable time Ain't all that valuable. Sounds like you
    work in a fast food establishment.
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Maybe you should take some of that money you have and go back to school.
    Just FYI.
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to
    > Windows 2000 and Windows XP were great<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Stick with them. No worries about Vista or Windows 7.
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly
    > transparent to normal users - even monster power users like me<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    You are no power user. If it takes you 100 hours to configure a new system,
    your IQ must be around 50.
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    You also believe that the Moon is made of Green Cheese.
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more
    > money out of us<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    You don't have money. No worries.

    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
    > Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    You wouldn't understand.
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > or to me<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Or to you?
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
    > GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    After reading this far, I believe any Windows product is way over your head.
    Talk with Alias and he will set you up with that INFERIOR Ubuntu.

    That seems more like your style.

    Just FYI.
     
    Spanketh Thy Monkey, Oct 9, 2009
    #3
  5. Vista Succubus Hunter

    Vista Succubus Hunter Guest

    John Rivers wrote:

    <snipped>

    Yeah, you can cry me a river.
     
    Vista Succubus Hunter, Oct 9, 2009
    #4
  6. lemur

    lemur Guest

    It's not for you and that's cool. But were you looking for a solution
    or a shoulder?


    --
    lemur

    ::If *ANYONE* in this forum helps you, please click on
    their *REP* icon. Thanks! (the middle scale icon in the upper right
    corner)::
     
    lemur, Oct 9, 2009
    #5
  7. DanS

    DanS Guest

    "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in
    news:e#yji1PSKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    > news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
    > £2000
    >
    > not including my time - It will take around 100 hours
    >
    > This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
    > not work on Vista
    >
    > and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
    > product"
    > even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different
    > OS
    >
    > Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
    > be worked around
    >
    > All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
    >
    > In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money
    >
    > In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to
    > Windows 2000 and Windows XP were great
    >
    > But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly
    > transparent to normal users - even monster power users like me
    >
    > I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem
    >
    > just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more
    > money out of us
    >
    > If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
    > Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users
    >
    > or to me
    >
    > I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
    > GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
    >
    >
    > *******************************************
    >
    > My benefit is this!
    >
    > Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.
    >
    > What more can I say?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    I thought Vista was super stable and never crashed......

    ........at least that's what all the zealot's and MVP's say.
     
    DanS, Oct 9, 2009
    #6
  8. ray

    ray Guest

    On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:27:19 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    > news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
    > £2000
    >
    > not including my time - It will take around 100 hours
    >
    > This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
    > not work on Vista
    >
    > and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
    > product"
    > even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different OS
    >
    > Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
    > be worked around
    >
    > All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
    >
    > In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money
    >
    > In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to Windows
    > 2000 and Windows XP were great
    >
    > But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly transparent
    > to normal users - even monster power users like me
    >
    > I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem
    >
    > just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more money
    > out of us
    >
    > If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
    > Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users
    >
    > or to me
    >
    > I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
    > GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
    >
    >
    > *******************************************
    >
    > My benefit is this!
    >
    > Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.
    >
    > What more can I say?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Geez - I haven't had a single hang or crash in over five years!
     
    ray, Oct 9, 2009
    #7
  9. lemur

    lemur Guest

    Please kill this post


    --
    lemur

    ::If *ANYONE* in this forum helps you, please click on
    their *REP* icon. Thanks! (the middle scale icon in the upper right
    corner)::
     
    lemur, Oct 9, 2009
    #8
  10. Spanketh Thy Monkey

    Spanketh Thy Monkey Guest

    "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
    news:7j9h6rF3341iqU2@mid.individual.net...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:27:19 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    >> news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    > ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
    >> £2000
    >>
    >> not including my time - It will take around 100 hours
    >>
    >> This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
    >> not work on Vista
    >>
    >> and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
    >> product"
    >> even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different OS
    >>
    >> Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
    >> be worked around
    >>
    >> All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
    >>
    >> In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money
    >>
    >> In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to Windows
    >> 2000 and Windows XP were great
    >>
    >> But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly transparent
    >> to normal users - even monster power users like me
    >>
    >> I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem
    >>
    >> just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more money
    >> out of us
    >>
    >> If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
    >> Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users
    >>
    >> or to me
    >>
    >> I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
    >> GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
    >>
    >>
    >> *******************************************
    >>
    >> My benefit is this!
    >>
    >> Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.
    >>
    >> What more can I say?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Geez - I haven't had a single hang or crash in over five years!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Using Ubuntu? Of course the system doesn't hang or crash. You can't do
    anything useful with it! LOL!
     
    Spanketh Thy Monkey, Oct 9, 2009
    #9
  11. Vista Succubus Hunter

    Vista Succubus Hunter Guest

    Spanketh Thy Monkey wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    >
    > "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
    > news:7j9h6rF3341iqU2@mid.individual.net...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:27:19 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >> ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
    >>> £2000
    >>>
    >>> not including my time - It will take around 100 hours
    >>>
    >>> This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
    >>> not work on Vista
    >>>
    >>> and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
    >>> product"
    >>> even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different OS
    >>>
    >>> Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
    >>> be worked around
    >>>
    >>> All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
    >>>
    >>> In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money
    >>>
    >>> In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to Windows
    >>> 2000 and Windows XP were great
    >>>
    >>> But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly transparent
    >>> to normal users - even monster power users like me
    >>>
    >>> I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem
    >>>
    >>> just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more money
    >>> out of us
    >>>
    >>> If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
    >>> Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users
    >>>
    >>> or to me
    >>>
    >>> I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
    >>> GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> *******************************************
    >>>
    >>> My benefit is this!
    >>>
    >>> Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.
    >>>
    >>> What more can I say?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> Geez - I haven't had a single hang or crash in over five years!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Using Ubuntu? Of course the system doesn't hang or crash. You can't do
    > anything useful with it! LOL!
    >
    >
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Linux crashes too if you try to do something other than just turn it on
    and look at it.


     
    Vista Succubus Hunter, Oct 9, 2009
    #10
  12. Spanketh Thy Monkey

    Spanketh Thy Monkey Guest

    "lemur" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
    news:b8d3a5085ba797b8adbead0797bc5794@nntp-gateway.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > Please kill this post
    >
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    POW.... BAM...... The post has been killed. Please send flowers.
     
    Spanketh Thy Monkey, Oct 9, 2009
    #11
  13. milt

    milt Guest

    milt, Oct 9, 2009
    #12
  14. Ashton Crusher

    Ashton Crusher Guest

    On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:21:10 -0500, DanS
    <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in
    >news:e#yji1PSKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    >> news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
    >> £2000
    >>
    >> not including my time - It will take around 100 hours
    >>
    >> This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
    >> not work on Vista
    >>
    >> and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
    >> product"
    >> even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different
    >> OS
    >>
    >> Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
    >> be worked around
    >>
    >> All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
    >>
    >> In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money
    >>
    >> In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to
    >> Windows 2000 and Windows XP were great
    >>
    >> But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly
    >> transparent to normal users - even monster power users like me
    >>
    >> I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem
    >>
    >> just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more
    >> money out of us
    >>
    >> If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
    >> Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users
    >>
    >> or to me
    >>
    >> I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
    >> GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
    >>
    >>
    >> *******************************************
    >>
    >> My benefit is this!
    >>
    >> Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.
    >>
    >> What more can I say?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >I thought Vista was super stable and never crashed......
    >
    >.......at least that's what all the zealot's and MVP's say.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    I've been running Vista at home for almost 2 years. I've had a huge
    reduction in problems since I went from XP to Vista (completely
    different machines). I still have XP on my office computer and it's
    not had too many problems but it has more then I've had on the home
    machine and it does sometimes get so screwed up that I have to give up
    and reboot.
     
    Ashton Crusher, Oct 9, 2009
    #13
  15. DrTeeth

    DrTeeth Guest

    On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:15:09 -0700 (PDT), just as I was about to take a
    herb, John Rivers <first10@btinternet.com> disturbed my reverie and
    wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >or to me<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    There is no benefit to you as you have said. So sod off and troll
    elsewhere...nobody is actually forcing you to upgrade.
    --

    Cheers,

    DrT

    ** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
    ** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
    ** out of someone who richly deserves it.
     
    DrTeeth, Oct 10, 2009
    #14
  16. Vjekoslav

    Vjekoslav Guest

    I don't know John, what you acctually use your comp for???
    Your story about windows 7 is nothing but funny.
    All the best to you.
     
    Vjekoslav, Oct 12, 2009
    #15
  17. whs

    whs Guest

    Vjekoslav;1158410 Wrote: <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > I don't know John, what you acctually use your comp for???
    > Your story about windows 7 is nothing but funny.
    > All the best to you.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    True, +1. People like John probably still deplore that the Cro Magnon
    came to Europe 35.000 years ago. They would have preferred the "cozy"
    Neandertal life.


    --
    whs
     
    whs, Oct 12, 2009
    #16
  18. John Rivers

    John Rivers Guest

    Many of you are both irritating *and* boring

    My mistake for posting in the wrong place
     
    John Rivers, Oct 14, 2009
    #17
  19. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Guest

    On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:23:48 -0700 (PDT), John Rivers wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Many of you are both irritating *and* boring
    >
    > My mistake for posting in the wrong place<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Maybe it was the wrong post, rather than the wrong place :)

    --
    Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Oct 14, 2009
    #18
  20. Sentar

    Sentar Guest

    I am Happy with my VISTA ULT 64bit and Vista Pro 32bit.
    I/we will NOT be moving to WIN7 reasons are that I consider that the
    changes to WIN7 and the REMOVAL of the "CLASSIC" interface a bad move.
    Like John I have calculated that to move 115 users to WIN7 would cost
    approx NZ$3000.00 per user = cost of the O/S + updating and upgrades +
    Training of users + Downtime and loss of productivity = NO GO.


    --
    Sentar
     
    Sentar, Oct 14, 2009
    #19
  21. whs

    whs Guest

    Sentar;1168154 Wrote: <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > I am Happy with my VISTA ULT 64bit and Vista Pro 32bit.
    > I/we will NOT be moving to WIN7 reasons are that I consider that the
    > changes to WIN7 and the REMOVAL of the "CLASSIC" interface a bad move.
    > Like John I have calculated that to move 115 users to WIN7 would cost
    > approx NZ$3000.00 per user = cost of the O/S + updating and upgrades +
    > Training of users + Downtime and loss of productivity = NO GO.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    Sentar, you are the 3d person I see that is attached to the classic
    interface. What is so special about this interface that makes it so
    important. I personally never use it, although I know what it is. Just
    curious.


    --
    whs
     
    whs, Oct 14, 2009
    #20
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