Vista IDE slave problem

"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:eOySiqYIKHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>I know that, Bill, but I have seen some systems where the BIOS will not
>recognize an ide drive connected by a 40 wire cable, they must have an 80
>wire one. Either the OP can try it or not, I can only offer the advice
>based on experience.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>
> Windows help -
> Vote for my shoe:
>
> "Bill Daggett" <Daggett@wmunny.invalid> wrote in message
> news:soip8519g888v9gj8c45ur5hajsdo7rf11@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote:
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Doesn't matter if it worked in the old system, it may not have required
>>>the
>>>80 wire cable. Try one before you waste any more effort on this.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> 80 wires are needed to facilitate high speed transfers.. they
>> shouldn't effect the BIOS recognizing the drive. The extra 40 wires
>> are grounded, i.e., they're not connected to anything that transfers a
>> signal.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I really appreciate your input guys and I just don't know what to do now,
guess I will have to pay someone to extract the info and burn to disk for
me.

Thanks again for your efforts

Graham

 

Here's what Graham Hall wrote on 8/20/09:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Gene E. Bloch" <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OaESCZSIKHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Here's what Graham Hall wrote on 8/19/09:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:%23RgghyQIKHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Graham Hall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
>>>>>> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC = New
>>>>> Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
>>>>> there!
>>>>>
>>>>> The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in there,
>>>>> should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?
>>>>
>>>> Just change the cable, OK? It's an easy step and it might be the answer.
>>>> If
>>>> the old cable was 40-wire as Rick suggested, putting in an 80-wire might
>>>> fix
>>>> it. Or maybe the drive itself is hosed.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> OK just to update you, I put the drive and the cable back in my old
>>> machine and it works.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> So have once again put back in new machine into the IDE connection on the
>>> mobo and with the drive set to master or slave the bios still sees
>>> nothing. Have double checked Bios and everyting is set to detect drive, so
>>> I am totally lost on this one!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Thanks guys for your suggestions, but am lost now!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Graham<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> *WILL* you try an 80 conductor cable? Old IDE slots and drives use a 40
>> conductor cable which *won't* work when an 80 conductor cable is needed.
>> You've been told this several times now - stop ignoring it!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> I wasn't ignoring you but waiting until I could get one which I did today and
> guess what, it still doesn't see anything on the IDE channel, very weird!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Thanks for your reply<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Thanks for the report (and sorry I lost patience - although I have to
say that I was exaggerating a bit for effect!).

It was worth the experiment. I'm sorry that the new cable didn't help,
though.

At least we can now eliminate that from consideration.

--
Gene Bloch 650.366.4267 lettersatblochg.com

 

"Gene E. Bloch" <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote in message
news:eG2YFhcIKHA.1380@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Here's what Graham Hall wrote on 8/20/09:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "Gene E. Bloch" <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:OaESCZSIKHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Here's what Graham Hall wrote on 8/19/09:
>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23RgghyQIKHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Graham Hall wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80
>>>>>>> wire
>>>>>>> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be
>>>>>>> disabled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC =
>>>>>> New
>>>>>> Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> there!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in
>>>>>> there,
>>>>>> should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just change the cable, OK? It's an easy step and it might be the
>>>>> answer. If
>>>>> the old cable was 40-wire as Rick suggested, putting in an 80-wire
>>>>> might fix
>>>>> it. Or maybe the drive itself is hosed.
>>>
>>>> OK just to update you, I put the drive and the cable back in my old
>>>> machine and it works.
>>>
>>>> So have once again put back in new machine into the IDE connection on
>>>> the mobo and with the drive set to master or slave the bios still sees
>>>> nothing. Have double checked Bios and everyting is set to detect drive,
>>>> so I am totally lost on this one!
>>>
>>>> Thanks guys for your suggestions, but am lost now!
>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>
>>> *WILL* you try an 80 conductor cable? Old IDE slots and drives use a 40
>>> conductor cable which *won't* work when an 80 conductor cable is needed.
>>> You've been told this several times now - stop ignoring it!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> I wasn't ignoring you but waiting until I could get one which I did today
>> and guess what, it still doesn't see anything on the IDE channel, very
>> weird!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Thanks for your reply<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Thanks for the report (and sorry I lost patience - although I have to say
> that I was exaggerating a bit for effect!).
>
> It was worth the experiment. I'm sorry that the new cable didn't help,
> though.
>
> At least we can now eliminate that from consideration.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Yes very frustrating.

In the end I put a spare drive in my old machine installed a fresh copy of
XP and then managed to hook up the spare IDE drive which was seen in my old
XP drive with no problem, I then used my USB storage device to copy and
transfer to my new machine, long winded but at least I haven't lost
anything!

Thanks again for your help!

Graham

 

Here's what Graham Hall wrote on 8/20/09:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Gene E. Bloch" <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote in message
> news:eG2YFhcIKHA.1380@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Here's what Graham Hall wrote on 8/20/09:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> "Gene E. Bloch" <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:OaESCZSIKHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Here's what Graham Hall wrote on 8/19/09:
>>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23RgghyQIKHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Graham Hall wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
>>>>>>>> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC =
>>>>>>> New
>>>>>>> Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> there!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in
>>>>>>> there,
>>>>>>> should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just change the cable, OK? It's an easy step and it might be the
>>>>>> answer. If
>>>>>> the old cable was 40-wire as Rick suggested, putting in an 80-wire
>>>>>> might fix
>>>>>> it. Or maybe the drive itself is hosed.
>>>>
>>>>> OK just to update you, I put the drive and the cable back in my old
>>>>> machine and it works.
>>>>
>>>>> So have once again put back in new machine into the IDE connection on
>>>>> the mobo and with the drive set to master or slave the bios still sees
>>>>> nothing. Have double checked Bios and everyting is set to detect drive,
>>>>> so I am totally lost on this one!
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks guys for your suggestions, but am lost now!
>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> *WILL* you try an 80 conductor cable? Old IDE slots and drives use a 40
>>>> conductor cable which *won't* work when an 80 conductor cable is needed.
>>>> You've been told this several times now - stop ignoring it!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> I wasn't ignoring you but waiting until I could get one which I did today
>>> and guess what, it still doesn't see anything on the IDE channel, very
>>> weird!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Thanks for your reply<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Thanks for the report (and sorry I lost patience - although I have to say
>> that I was exaggerating a bit for effect!).
>>
>> It was worth the experiment. I'm sorry that the new cable didn't help,
>> though.
>>
>> At least we can now eliminate that from consideration.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Yes very frustrating.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> In the end I put a spare drive in my old machine installed a fresh copy of XP
> and then managed to hook up the spare IDE drive which was seen in my old XP
> drive with no problem, I then used my USB storage device to copy and transfer
> to my new machine, long winded but at least I haven't lost anything!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Thanks again for your help!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Graham<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I like happy (well, not totally bad) endings. Glad you're recovering
OK!

I still have somewhere two or three images of other people's disks that
I have rescued by similar means (in one case - accidental reformatting
- it needed disk recovery software). It was long enough ago - the
newest was over two years back - that what I have is almost certainly
quite useless to them now.

--
Gene Bloch 650.366.4267 lettersatblochg.com

 

"Gene E. Bloch" <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote in message
news:eWCAI2eIKHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Here's what Graham Hall wrote on 8/20/09:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "Gene E. Bloch" <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:eG2YFhcIKHA.1380@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Here's what Graham Hall wrote on 8/20/09:
>>>> "Gene E. Bloch" <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:OaESCZSIKHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Here's what Graham Hall wrote on 8/19/09:
>>>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23RgghyQIKHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Graham Hall wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80
>>>>>>>>> wire
>>>>>>>>> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be
>>>>>>>>> disabled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC
>>>>>>>> = New
>>>>>>>> Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to
>>>>>>>> go in
>>>>>>>> there!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in
>>>>>>>> there,
>>>>>>>> should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just change the cable, OK? It's an easy step and it might be the
>>>>>>> answer. If
>>>>>>> the old cable was 40-wire as Rick suggested, putting in an 80-wire
>>>>>>> might fix
>>>>>>> it. Or maybe the drive itself is hosed.
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK just to update you, I put the drive and the cable back in my old
>>>>>> machine and it works.
>>>>>
>>>>>> So have once again put back in new machine into the IDE connection on
>>>>>> the mobo and with the drive set to master or slave the bios still
>>>>>> sees nothing. Have double checked Bios and everyting is set to detect
>>>>>> drive, so I am totally lost on this one!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks guys for your suggestions, but am lost now!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> *WILL* you try an 80 conductor cable? Old IDE slots and drives use a
>>>>> 40 conductor cable which *won't* work when an 80 conductor cable is
>>>>> needed. You've been told this several times now - stop ignoring it!
>>>
>>>> I wasn't ignoring you but waiting until I could get one which I did
>>>> today and guess what, it still doesn't see anything on the IDE channel,
>>>> very weird!
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your reply
>>>
>>> Thanks for the report (and sorry I lost patience - although I have to
>>> say that I was exaggerating a bit for effect!).
>>>
>>> It was worth the experiment. I'm sorry that the new cable didn't help,
>>> though.
>>>
>>> At least we can now eliminate that from consideration.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Yes very frustrating.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> In the end I put a spare drive in my old machine installed a fresh copy
>> of XP and then managed to hook up the spare IDE drive which was seen in
>> my old XP drive with no problem, I then used my USB storage device to
>> copy and transfer to my new machine, long winded but at least I haven't
>> lost anything!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Thanks again for your help!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Graham<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> I like happy (well, not totally bad) endings. Glad you're recovering OK!
>
> I still have somewhere two or three images of other people's disks that I
> have rescued by similar means (in one case - accidental reformatting - it
> needed disk recovery software). It was long enough ago - the newest was
> over two years back - that what I have is almost certainly quite useless
> to them now.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Yeah I am getting there slowly thanks.

Think I am going to buy an external hard drive for my new machine and back
up to that, think that will be a lot easier should I have a similar problem
years down the line!

Graham