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Vista IDE slave problem

Discussion in 'Windows Vista' started by Graham Hall, Aug 19, 2009.

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  1. Graham Hall

    Graham Hall Guest

    I have bought a new system with Vista Home Premium and I am trying to
    install an IDE hard drive as a slave. These are from my old system and I
    just want them installed so I can copy across stuff.

    I have done this in XP with no problem but I cannot seem to get this system
    to see them.

    If they do not show up in Bios does this mean Vista wont see them? I have
    tried varies jumper settings but my Bios just wont see either of my drives.

    My new system has a Sata HD installed so I am just connecting my slave IDE
    HD to the empty IDE connector on the Mobo.

    Can someone please help?

    Thanks

    Graham
     
    Graham Hall, Aug 19, 2009
    #1
  3. Malke

    Malke Guest

    Graham Hall wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > I have bought a new system with Vista Home Premium and I am trying to
    > install an IDE hard drive as a slave. These are from my old system and I
    > just want them installed so I can copy across stuff.
    >
    > I have done this in XP with no problem but I cannot seem to get this
    > system to see them.
    >
    > If they do not show up in Bios does this mean Vista wont see them? I have
    > tried varies jumper settings but my Bios just wont see either of my
    > drives.
    >
    > My new system has a Sata HD installed so I am just connecting my slave IDE
    > HD to the empty IDE connector on the Mobo.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    If the BIOS doesn't see the drive of course Windows can't. Go into your BIOS
    and see if that IDE connector is enabled. It may not be.

    Malke
    --
    MS-MVP
    Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
     
    Malke, Aug 19, 2009
    #2
  4. Bill Daggett

    Bill Daggett Guest

    "Graham Hall" <graham.me@Nospambtinternet.com> wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >I have bought a new system with Vista Home Premium and I am trying to
    >install an IDE hard drive as a slave. These are from my old system and I
    >just want them installed so I can copy across stuff.
    >
    >I have done this in XP with no problem but I cannot seem to get this system
    >to see them.
    >
    >If they do not show up in Bios does this mean Vista wont see them? <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Yup.
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >I have tried varies jumper settings but my Bios just wont see either of
    >my drives.
    >
    >My new system has a Sata HD installed so I am just connecting my slave IDE
    >HD to the empty IDE connector on the Mobo.
    >
    >Can someone please help?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    If it is the only drive on that connector, then it isn't a "slave".
    Check the drive and see how it's supposed to be jumpered if it's the
    ONLY drive.
     
    Bill Daggett, Aug 19, 2009
    #3
  5. Graham Hall

    Graham Hall Guest

    "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:e$jtvjPIKHA.2516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Graham Hall wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> I have bought a new system with Vista Home Premium and I am trying to
    >> install an IDE hard drive as a slave. These are from my old system and I
    >> just want them installed so I can copy across stuff.
    >>
    >> I have done this in XP with no problem but I cannot seem to get this
    >> system to see them.
    >>
    >> If they do not show up in Bios does this mean Vista wont see them? I
    >> have
    >> tried varies jumper settings but my Bios just wont see either of my
    >> drives.
    >>
    >> My new system has a Sata HD installed so I am just connecting my slave
    >> IDE
    >> HD to the empty IDE connector on the Mobo.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > If the BIOS doesn't see the drive of course Windows can't. Go into your
    > BIOS
    > and see if that IDE connector is enabled. It may not be.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Yes enabled but still not seeing it, I guess all that is left is the cable
    but is was good in my old system.

    Very strange but thanks for your reply!
     
    Graham Hall, Aug 19, 2009
    #4
  6. Graham Hall

    Graham Hall Guest

    "Bill Daggett" <Daggett@wmunny.invalid> wrote in message
    news:v6go851u1qpbukdcg4uanjv4p9rhfckra0@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "Graham Hall" <graham.me@Nospambtinternet.com> wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>I have bought a new system with Vista Home Premium and I am trying to
    >>install an IDE hard drive as a slave. These are from my old system and I
    >>just want them installed so I can copy across stuff.
    >>
    >>I have done this in XP with no problem but I cannot seem to get this
    >>system
    >>to see them.
    >>
    >>If they do not show up in Bios does this mean Vista wont see them?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Yup.
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>I have tried varies jumper settings but my Bios just wont see either of
    >>my drives.
    >>
    >>My new system has a Sata HD installed so I am just connecting my slave IDE
    >>HD to the empty IDE connector on the Mobo.
    >>
    >>Can someone please help?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > If it is the only drive on that connector, then it isn't a "slave".
    > Check the drive and see how it's supposed to be jumpered if it's the
    > ONLY drive.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Have tried all setting, master, slave cable select but still BIOS doesn't
    see it, very strange must be cable will order new one and try!

    Thanks again
     
    Graham Hall, Aug 19, 2009
    #5
  7. Rick Rogers

    Rick Rogers Guest

    Hi,

    If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire one.
    Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.

    --
    Best of Luck,

    Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

    Windows help -
    Vote for my shoe:

    "Graham Hall" <graham.me@Nospambtinternet.com> wrote in message
    news:0F355B37-6EC9-47CD-8C41-E778242358CC@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > "Bill Daggett" <Daggett@wmunny.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:v6go851u1qpbukdcg4uanjv4p9rhfckra0@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> "Graham Hall" <graham.me@Nospambtinternet.com> wrote:
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>>I have bought a new system with Vista Home Premium and I am trying to
    >>>install an IDE hard drive as a slave. These are from my old system and I
    >>>just want them installed so I can copy across stuff.
    >>>
    >>>I have done this in XP with no problem but I cannot seem to get this
    >>>system
    >>>to see them.
    >>>
    >>>If they do not show up in Bios does this mean Vista wont see them?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> Yup.
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>>I have tried varies jumper settings but my Bios just wont see either of
    >>>my drives.
    >>>
    >>>My new system has a Sata HD installed so I am just connecting my slave
    >>>IDE
    >>>HD to the empty IDE connector on the Mobo.
    >>>
    >>>Can someone please help?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> If it is the only drive on that connector, then it isn't a "slave".
    >> Check the drive and see how it's supposed to be jumpered if it's the
    >> ONLY drive.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Have tried all setting, master, slave cable select but still BIOS doesn't
    > see it, very strange must be cable will order new one and try!
    >
    > Thanks again
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
    Rick Rogers, Aug 19, 2009
    #6
  8. Graham Hall

    Graham Hall Guest

    "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Hi,
    >
    > If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire one.
    > Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC = New
    Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
    there!

    The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in there,
    should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?

    Thanks again

    Graham
     
    Graham Hall, Aug 19, 2009
    #7
  9. CAPIN' CRUNCH

    CAPIN' CRUNCH Guest

    Graham Hall wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
    >> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC = New
    > Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
    > there!
    >
    > The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in there,
    > should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?
    >
    > Thanks again
    >
    > Graham
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    The cable should be fine.

    Did you go into disk management and see if the HDD is listed there? If
    it is then right click on it make it "active'.
     
    CAPIN' CRUNCH, Aug 19, 2009
    #8
  10. Malke

    Malke Guest

    Graham Hall wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
    >> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC = New
    > Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
    > there!
    >
    > The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in there,
    > should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Just change the cable, OK? It's an easy step and it might be the answer. If
    the old cable was 40-wire as Rick suggested, putting in an 80-wire might fix
    it. Or maybe the drive itself is hosed.

    Malke
    --
    MS-MVP
    Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
     
    Malke, Aug 19, 2009
    #9
  11. Graham Hall

    Graham Hall Guest

    "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:%23RgghyQIKHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Graham Hall wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>
    >> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >> news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> Hi,
    >>>
    >>> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
    >>> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC = New
    >> Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
    >> there!
    >>
    >> The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in there,
    >> should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Just change the cable, OK? It's an easy step and it might be the answer.
    > If
    > the old cable was 40-wire as Rick suggested, putting in an 80-wire might
    > fix
    > it. Or maybe the drive itself is hosed.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    OK just to update you, I put the drive and the cable back in my old machine
    and it works.

    So have once again put back in new machine into the IDE connection on the
    mobo and with the drive set to master or slave the bios still sees nothing.
    Have double checked Bios and everyting is set to detect drive, so I am
    totally lost on this one!

    Thanks guys for your suggestions, but am lost now!

    Graham
     
    Graham Hall, Aug 19, 2009
    #10
  12. Graham Hall

    Graham Hall Guest

    "CAPIN' CRUNCH" <CC@IAM&IDIOT.COM> wrote in message
    news:4a8c5eaf$1@news.x-privat.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Graham Hall wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>
    >> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >> news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> Hi,
    >>>
    >>> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
    >>> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC = New
    >> Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
    >> there!
    >>
    >> The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in there,
    >> should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?
    >>
    >> Thanks again
    >>
    >> Graham
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > The cable should be fine.
    >
    > Did you go into disk management and see if the HDD is listed there? If it
    > is then right click on it make it "active'.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Did that and it is not there, but as someone said if it aint in the Bios it
    isn't going to be seen by Windows :-(

    Thanks anyway!
     
    Graham Hall, Aug 19, 2009
    #11
  13. FB-the real one!

    FB-the real one! Guest

    Graham Hall wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:%23RgghyQIKHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Graham Hall wrote:
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>>
    >>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >>> news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>> Hi,
    >>>>
    >>>> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
    >>>> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.
    >>>
    >>> Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC = New
    >>> Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
    >>> there!
    >>>
    >>> The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in there,
    >>> should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> Just change the cable, OK? It's an easy step and it might be the
    >> answer. If
    >> the old cable was 40-wire as Rick suggested, putting in an 80-wire
    >> might fix
    >> it. Or maybe the drive itself is hosed.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > OK just to update you, I put the drive and the cable back in my old
    > machine and it works.
    >
    > So have once again put back in new machine into the IDE connection on
    > the mobo and with the drive set to master or slave the bios still sees
    > nothing. Have double checked Bios and everyting is set to detect drive,
    > so I am totally lost on this one!
    >
    > Thanks guys for your suggestions, but am lost now!
    >
    > Graham<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    What is the exact model mobo you have?
     
    FB-the real one!, Aug 19, 2009
    #12
  14. Graham Hall

    Graham Hall Guest

    "FB-the real one!" <fb@ber.csa> wrote in message
    news:4a8c6bcf$1@news.x-privat.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Graham Hall wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>
    >> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:%23RgghyQIKHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> Graham Hall wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >>>> news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> Hi,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
    >>>>> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.
    >>>>
    >>>> Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC =
    >>>> New
    >>>> Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
    >>>> there!
    >>>>
    >>>> The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in
    >>>> there,
    >>>> should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?
    >>>
    >>> Just change the cable, OK? It's an easy step and it might be the answer.
    >>> If
    >>> the old cable was 40-wire as Rick suggested, putting in an 80-wire might
    >>> fix
    >>> it. Or maybe the drive itself is hosed.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> OK just to update you, I put the drive and the cable back in my old
    >> machine and it works.
    >>
    >> So have once again put back in new machine into the IDE connection on the
    >> mobo and with the drive set to master or slave the bios still sees
    >> nothing. Have double checked Bios and everyting is set to detect drive,
    >> so I am totally lost on this one!
    >>
    >> Thanks guys for your suggestions, but am lost now!
    >>
    >> Graham<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > What is the exact model mobo you have?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    G31MX Series is all I have from the PC details. It is Foxconn and the Bios
    is Phoenix.

    I have just spent an hour trying every jumper setting on the HD and also
    double checking Bios for something I have missed, this is all very strange
    to me, have done this many times before and it has always been very straight
    forward to do.

    Thanks for your reply, it is bedtime here in the UK so excuse me if I dont
    reply again for a while but any input overnight would be VERY much
    appreciated not that i think there is much else I can try!

    Cheers

    Graham
     
    Graham Hall, Aug 19, 2009
    #13
  15. Bill Daggett

    Bill Daggett Guest

    "Graham Hall" <graham.me@Nospambtinternet.com> wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    >"Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >news:%23RgghyQIKHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Graham Hall wrote:
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>>
    >>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >>> news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>> Hi,
    >>>>
    >>>> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
    >>>> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.
    >>>
    >>> Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC = New
    >>> Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
    >>> there!
    >>>
    >>> The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in there,
    >>> should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> Just change the cable, OK? It's an easy step and it might be the answer.
    >> If
    >> the old cable was 40-wire as Rick suggested, putting in an 80-wire might
    >> fix
    >> it. Or maybe the drive itself is hosed.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >OK just to update you, I put the drive and the cable back in my old machine
    >and it works.
    >
    >So have once again put back in new machine into the IDE connection on the
    >mobo and with the drive set to master or slave the bios still sees nothing.
    >Have double checked Bios and everyting is set to detect drive, so I am
    >totally lost on this one!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    If it is the ONLY drive on the connector, then it is neither the
    master nor the slave. Make sure you have it on the proper connector
    on the cable AND that you have it set for being the only drive.

    If there is a cable-select jumper position, use that.
     
    Bill Daggett, Aug 19, 2009
    #14
  16. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Guest

    Here's what Graham Hall wrote on 8/19/09:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:%23RgghyQIKHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Graham Hall wrote:
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>>
    >>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >>> news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>> Hi,
    >>>>
    >>>> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
    >>>> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.
    >>>
    >>> Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC = New
    >>> Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
    >>> there!
    >>>
    >>> The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in there,
    >>> should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> Just change the cable, OK? It's an easy step and it might be the answer. If
    >> the old cable was 40-wire as Rick suggested, putting in an 80-wire might
    >> fix
    >> it. Or maybe the drive itself is hosed.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > OK just to update you, I put the drive and the cable back in my old machine
    > and it works.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > So have once again put back in new machine into the IDE connection on the
    > mobo and with the drive set to master or slave the bios still sees nothing.
    > Have double checked Bios and everyting is set to detect drive, so I am
    > totally lost on this one!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Thanks guys for your suggestions, but am lost now!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Graham<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    *WILL* you try an 80 conductor cable? Old IDE slots and drives use a 40
    conductor cable which *won't* work when an 80 conductor cable is
    needed. You've been told this several times now - stop ignoring it!

    The connectors still have 40 pins or holes. The extra conductors
    provide shielding.

    --
    Gene Bloch 650.366.4267 lettersatblochg.com
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Aug 19, 2009
    #15
  17. Rick Rogers

    Rick Rogers Guest

    Hi,

    Doesn't matter if it worked in the old system, it may not have required the
    80 wire cable. Try one before you waste any more effort on this.

    --
    Best of Luck,

    Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

    Windows help -
    Vote for my shoe:

    "Graham Hall" <graham.me@Nospambtinternet.com> wrote in message
    news:47339C56-2FC9-421C-B90B-D6A90025D9AD@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
    > news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
    >> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC = New
    > Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
    > there!
    >
    > The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in there,
    > should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?
    >
    > Thanks again
    >
    > Graham
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
    Rick Rogers, Aug 19, 2009
    #16
  18. Bill Daggett

    Bill Daggett Guest

    "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >Hi,
    >
    >Doesn't matter if it worked in the old system, it may not have required the
    >80 wire cable. Try one before you waste any more effort on this.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    80 wires are needed to facilitate high speed transfers.. they
    shouldn't effect the BIOS recognizing the drive. The extra 40 wires
    are grounded, i.e., they're not connected to anything that transfers a
    signal.
     
    Bill Daggett, Aug 19, 2009
    #17
  19. Rick Rogers

    Rick Rogers Guest

    I know that, Bill, but I have seen some systems where the BIOS will not
    recognize an ide drive connected by a 40 wire cable, they must have an 80
    wire one. Either the OP can try it or not, I can only offer the advice based
    on experience.

    --
    Best of Luck,

    Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

    Windows help -
    Vote for my shoe:

    "Bill Daggett" <Daggett@wmunny.invalid> wrote in message
    news:soip8519g888v9gj8c45ur5hajsdo7rf11@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>Hi,
    >>
    >>Doesn't matter if it worked in the old system, it may not have required
    >>the
    >>80 wire cable. Try one before you waste any more effort on this.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > 80 wires are needed to facilitate high speed transfers.. they
    > shouldn't effect the BIOS recognizing the drive. The extra 40 wires
    > are grounded, i.e., they're not connected to anything that transfers a
    > signal. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
    Rick Rogers, Aug 20, 2009
    #18
  20. Graham Hall

    Graham Hall Guest

    "Bill Daggett" <Daggett@wmunny.invalid> wrote in message
    news:0jso859nhgv5g2a7oaouhsqabv3e1em7b1@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "Graham Hall" <graham.me@Nospambtinternet.com> wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>
    >>"Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >>news:%23RgghyQIKHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> Graham Hall wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >>>> news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> Hi,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
    >>>>> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.
    >>>>
    >>>> Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC =
    >>>> New
    >>>> Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
    >>>> there!
    >>>>
    >>>> The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in
    >>>> there,
    >>>> should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?
    >>>
    >>> Just change the cable, OK? It's an easy step and it might be the answer.
    >>> If
    >>> the old cable was 40-wire as Rick suggested, putting in an 80-wire might
    >>> fix
    >>> it. Or maybe the drive itself is hosed.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >>OK just to update you, I put the drive and the cable back in my old
    >>machine
    >>and it works.
    >>
    >>So have once again put back in new machine into the IDE connection on the
    >>mobo and with the drive set to master or slave the bios still sees
    >>nothing.
    >>Have double checked Bios and everyting is set to detect drive, so I am
    >>totally lost on this one!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > If it is the ONLY drive on the connector, then it is neither the
    > master nor the slave. Make sure you have it on the proper connector
    > on the cable AND that you have it set for being the only drive.
    >
    > If there is a cable-select jumper position, use that<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Not 100% sure what you mean but have tried every jumper setting and even
    taken it off but still no joy!

    Thanks anyway!
     
    Graham Hall, Aug 20, 2009
    #19
  21. Graham Hall

    Graham Hall Guest

    "Gene E. Bloch" <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote in message
    news:OaESCZSIKHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Here's what Graham Hall wrote on 8/19/09:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:%23RgghyQIKHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> Graham Hall wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
    >>>> news:%23jfaUwPIKHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> Hi,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> If you're using a 40 wire cable, you may need to switch to an 80 wire
    >>>>> one. Also check the BIOS' ide detection settings, it may be disabled.
    >>>>
    >>>> Yeah all set to auto detect unless I have missed something, new PC =
    >>>> New
    >>>> Bios so still fiding my way around it but so far all looks set to go in
    >>>> there!
    >>>>
    >>>> The Cable is out of my old machine and worked fine with the HD in
    >>>> there,
    >>>> should that not work with the same HD in a new machine?
    >>>
    >>> Just change the cable, OK? It's an easy step and it might be the answer.
    >>> If
    >>> the old cable was 40-wire as Rick suggested, putting in an 80-wire might
    >>> fix
    >>> it. Or maybe the drive itself is hosed.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> OK just to update you, I put the drive and the cable back in my old
    >> machine and it works.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> So have once again put back in new machine into the IDE connection on the
    >> mobo and with the drive set to master or slave the bios still sees
    >> nothing. Have double checked Bios and everyting is set to detect drive,
    >> so I am totally lost on this one!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Thanks guys for your suggestions, but am lost now!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Graham<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > *WILL* you try an 80 conductor cable? Old IDE slots and drives use a 40
    > conductor cable which *won't* work when an 80 conductor cable is needed.
    > You've been told this several times now - stop ignoring it!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    I wasn't ignoring you but waiting until I could get one which I did today
    and guess what, it still doesn't see anything on the IDE channel, very
    weird!

    Thanks for your reply
     
    Graham Hall, Aug 20, 2009
    #20
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