Re: Ubuntu Really Sucks

Gordon's Psychotherapist wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Ubuntu, like all things Linux, is the perfect example of the classic Puter
> Nerd mentality. They will spend 20+ years in their basements building an
> electric powered rocket ship to the moon. and then right before they go to
> launch it... they remember that they forgot to bring a really long extension
> cord.
>
> In other words, they can make something great that ALMOST works like it's
> supposed to, but they spend so much time tweaking out on massive amounts of
> ways to customize and over complicate everything that they ignore the
> simplest functions so that the average computer user can't use it. Why can't
> GRANDMA use it?
>
> 1. Running the very limited catalog of programs from the Synaptic package
> manager is easy. it's the other 99.9% of programs that require entering code
> into the terminal or reading CHAPTERS of instructions on how to simply
> install them. Seriously, how hard is it for a genius puter programmer to
> write a simple program that will automatically run an .exe? Sorry but WINE
> doesn't cut it. I really don't think my wife is willing to compile source
> code for weeks so that she can watch her Netflix.
>
> 2. Incompatibility with hardware
>
> 3. Incompatibility with Windows & Mac
>
> 4. 18 different kinds of media players to run a CD, DVD, MP3, or video clip.
>
> 5. Most instructions written in l337 Speak as if everyone already
> understands 99% of what they're talking about (because most people who read
> instructions just do so as a hobby anyway)
>
> Other than that, it's a great OS.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I detest the proprietary, resource hogging, unstable,
> insecure, over priced, Window$ garbage too. but it least it kind of works.
>
> I already know what all the Lunix fanboys are getting ready to say:
>
> "Yea. whatever. SHUT UP NOOB! You forgot to put a comma in the correct place
> in that one sentence dummy butt! FINE! Go use windows then NOOB.
>
> I will. And so will they. Because ALL Linux people use Windows or Mac if
> they actually need to use a computer that works. they will just never admit
> it
>
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


Though I've been "fooling" with Linux for about 8 years now...
I still used Windows for most of my work.

Last year I got a root kit and had my credit card hacked.
Though I did not end up with any cash loss...it was a major scare and a
wake up call.

I am an extremely careful computer user...who never goes to the 'wrong'
kinds of websites. Keep the machine and all my security software
updated...but still ended up with a root kit.

I switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year and have been
using it for about 95% of my work.

Of the few Win-apps I need, some run in Wine and some don't...
so I will continue to use XP at least a small part of the time.


I did give Vista a try and found the performance absolutely
unacceptable... and also gave Win7 a try and found it to work quite a
bit better.

*however* neither Vista or Win7 had drivers for my very common SCSI card
and scanner..not did they have drivers for my very common sound chip.

Linux had no problems with any of the H/W.

Though I did eventually get Vista and Win7 to get my SCSI card and
scanner installed by using XP drivers...they still could not get my
sound chip working.

But the worst thing was that Vista and Win7 saw my external NTFS drive
as unformatted! Sheesh, XP has no problems with it and I can read and
write to it fine from Linux.

Most ironic of it all, Win7 and Vista can run CHKDSK on the drive while
booting up and still in the console mode...
and read the drive fine from there and find *no* problems

but booted to the GUI see the drive as unformatted and then prompt me to
format it!


So though I can hardly say that Linux can do *everything*, it's still
been doing a heck of a good job for me

 

"philo" <philo@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:h9jcsm$2cm$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Gordon's Psychotherapist wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Ubuntu, like all things Linux, is the perfect example of the classic
>> Puter Nerd mentality. They will spend 20+ years in their basements
>> building an electric powered rocket ship to the moon. and then right
>> before they go to launch it... they remember that they forgot to bring a
>> really long extension cord.
>>
>> In other words, they can make something great that ALMOST works like it's
>> supposed to, but they spend so much time tweaking out on massive amounts
>> of ways to customize and over complicate everything that they ignore the
>> simplest functions so that the average computer user can't use it. Why
>> can't GRANDMA use it?
>>
>> 1. Running the very limited catalog of programs from the Synaptic package
>> manager is easy. it's the other 99.9% of programs that require entering
>> code into the terminal or reading CHAPTERS of instructions on how to
>> simply install them. Seriously, how hard is it for a genius puter
>> programmer to write a simple program that will automatically run an .exe?
>> Sorry but WINE doesn't cut it. I really don't think my wife is willing
>> to compile source code for weeks so that she can watch her Netflix.
>>
>> 2. Incompatibility with hardware
>>
>> 3. Incompatibility with Windows & Mac
>>
>> 4. 18 different kinds of media players to run a CD, DVD, MP3, or video
>> clip.
>>
>> 5. Most instructions written in l337 Speak as if everyone already
>> understands 99% of what they're talking about (because most people who
>> read instructions just do so as a hobby anyway)
>>
>> Other than that, it's a great OS.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I detest the proprietary, resource hogging, unstable,
>> insecure, over priced, Window$ garbage too. but it least it kind of
>> works.
>>
>> I already know what all the Lunix fanboys are getting ready to say:
>>
>> "Yea. whatever. SHUT UP NOOB! You forgot to put a comma in the correct
>> place in that one sentence dummy butt! FINE! Go use windows then NOOB.
>>
>> I will. And so will they. Because ALL Linux people use Windows or Mac if
>> they actually need to use a computer that works. they will just never
>> admit it
>>
>>
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> Though I've been "fooling" with Linux for about 8 years now...
> I still used Windows for most of my work.
>
> Last year I got a root kit and had my credit card hacked.
> Though I did not end up with any cash loss...it was a major scare and a
> wake up call.
>
> I am an extremely careful computer user...who never goes to the 'wrong'
> kinds of websites. Keep the machine and all my security software
> updated...but still ended up with a root kit.
>
> I switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year and have been using
> it for about 95% of my work.
>
> Of the few Win-apps I need, some run in Wine and some don't...
> so I will continue to use XP at least a small part of the time.
>
>
> I did give Vista a try and found the performance absolutely
> unacceptable... and also gave Win7 a try and found it to work quite a bit
> better.
>
> *however* neither Vista or Win7 had drivers for my very common SCSI card
> and scanner..not did they have drivers for my very common sound chip.
>
> Linux had no problems with any of the H/W.
>
> Though I did eventually get Vista and Win7 to get my SCSI card and scanner
> installed by using XP drivers...they still could not get my sound chip
> working.
>
> But the worst thing was that Vista and Win7 saw my external NTFS drive as
> unformatted! Sheesh, XP has no problems with it and I can read and write
> to it fine from Linux.
>
> Most ironic of it all, Win7 and Vista can run CHKDSK on the drive while
> booting up and still in the console mode...
> and read the drive fine from there and find *no* problems
>
> but booted to the GUI see the drive as unformatted and then prompt me to
> format it!
>
>
> So though I can hardly say that Linux can do *everything*, it's still been
> doing a heck of a good job for me<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Good for you, but why should that interest me in this particular group?
Please, don't answer it, because it doesn't.

Harry.

 

webster72n wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
>
>
> "philo" <philo@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
> news:h9jcsm$2cm$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Gordon's Psychotherapist wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Ubuntu, like all things Linux, is the perfect example of the classic
>>> Puter Nerd mentality. They will spend 20+ years in their basements
>>> building an electric powered rocket ship to the moon. and then right
>>> before they go to launch it... they remember that they forgot to
>>> bring a really long extension cord.
>>>
>>> In other words, they can make something great that ALMOST works like
>>> it's supposed to, but they spend so much time tweaking out on massive
>>> amounts of ways to customize and over complicate everything that they
>>> ignore the simplest functions so that the average computer user can't
>>> use it. Why can't GRANDMA use it?
>>>
>>> 1. Running the very limited catalog of programs from the Synaptic
>>> package manager is easy. it's the other 99.9% of programs that
>>> require entering code into the terminal or reading CHAPTERS of
>>> instructions on how to simply install them. Seriously, how hard is it
>>> for a genius puter programmer to write a simple program that will
>>> automatically run an .exe? Sorry but WINE doesn't cut it. I really
>>> don't think my wife is willing to compile source code for weeks so
>>> that she can watch her Netflix.
>>>
>>> 2. Incompatibility with hardware
>>>
>>> 3. Incompatibility with Windows & Mac
>>>
>>> 4. 18 different kinds of media players to run a CD, DVD, MP3, or
>>> video clip.
>>>
>>> 5. Most instructions written in l337 Speak as if everyone already
>>> understands 99% of what they're talking about (because most people
>>> who read instructions just do so as a hobby anyway)
>>>
>>> Other than that, it's a great OS.
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong, I detest the proprietary, resource hogging,
>>> unstable, insecure, over priced, Window$ garbage too. but it least it
>>> kind of works.
>>>
>>> I already know what all the Lunix fanboys are getting ready to say:
>>>
>>> "Yea. whatever. SHUT UP NOOB! You forgot to put a comma in the
>>> correct place in that one sentence dummy butt! FINE! Go use windows
>>> then NOOB.
>>>
>>> I will. And so will they. Because ALL Linux people use Windows or Mac
>>> if they actually need to use a computer that works. they will just
>>> never admit it
>>>
>>>
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>> Though I've been "fooling" with Linux for about 8 years now...
>> I still used Windows for most of my work.
>>
>> Last year I got a root kit and had my credit card hacked.
>> Though I did not end up with any cash loss...it was a major scare and
>> a wake up call.
>>
>> I am an extremely careful computer user...who never goes to the
>> 'wrong' kinds of websites. Keep the machine and all my security
>> software updated...but still ended up with a root kit.
>>
>> I switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year and have been
>> using it for about 95% of my work.
>>
>> Of the few Win-apps I need, some run in Wine and some don't...
>> so I will continue to use XP at least a small part of the time.
>>
>>
>> I did give Vista a try and found the performance absolutely
>> unacceptable... and also gave Win7 a try and found it to work quite a
>> bit better.
>>
>> *however* neither Vista or Win7 had drivers for my very common SCSI
>> card and scanner..not did they have drivers for my very common sound
>> chip.
>>
>> Linux had no problems with any of the H/W.
>>
>> Though I did eventually get Vista and Win7 to get my SCSI card and
>> scanner installed by using XP drivers...they still could not get my
>> sound chip working.
>>
>> But the worst thing was that Vista and Win7 saw my external NTFS drive
>> as unformatted! Sheesh, XP has no problems with it and I can read and
>> write to it fine from Linux.
>>
>> Most ironic of it all, Win7 and Vista can run CHKDSK on the drive
>> while booting up and still in the console mode...
>> and read the drive fine from there and find *no* problems
>>
>> but booted to the GUI see the drive as unformatted and then prompt me
>> to format it!
>>
>>
>> So though I can hardly say that Linux can do *everything*, it's still
>> been doing a heck of a good job for me<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Good for you, but why should that interest me in this particular group?
> Please, don't answer it, because it doesn't.
>
> Harry.
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

If you weren't interested, you wouldn't comment and you would ignore
this thread.

Alias

 

philo wrote:

<snipped>
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
>
> Though I've been "fooling" with Linux for about 8 years now...
> I still used Windows for most of my work.
>
> Last year I got a root kit and had my credit card hacked.
> Though I did not end up with any cash loss...it was a major scare and a
> wake up call.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

You contributed to the compromise of the machine in someway. It just
didn't happen by itself.<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> I am an extremely careful computer user...who never goes to the 'wrong'
> kinds of websites. Keep the machine and all my security software
> updated...but still ended up with a root kit.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> I switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year and have been
> using it for about 95% of my work.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

And Linux is not going to save you if you do the wrong point and click.





The 'security by oblivion party', because no one is using it, for Linux
is coming to an end. And the Swiss cheese and Flying Dutchman that Linux
really is will be exposed more and more. And the clueless are not going
to be safe there either, as they start coming after Linux for the all
mighty $$$$$.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> But the worst thing was that Vista and Win7 saw my external NTFS drive
> as unformatted! Sheesh, XP has no problems with it and I can read and
> write to it fine from Linux.
>
> Most ironic of it all, Win7 and Vista can run CHKDSK on the drive while
> booting up and still in the console mode...
> and read the drive fine from there and find *no* problems
>
> but booted to the GUI see the drive as unformatted and then prompt me to
> format it!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

And you were given a solution to circumvent the problem. You made the
choice to not take that the path. So it was not mission critical for you
now was it? It's a moot point man.


Linux is no bed of roses, and it's wilting more and more, as they now
start to come after it.

 

Alias wrote:

<snipped>

And let me cut you off, because you're too low caliber.

 

HA HA HA HA - Alias is very low caliber. When Alias looks up he sees the
gutter.



"Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h9jii1$cri$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> webster72n wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>>
>>
>> "philo" <philo@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:h9jcsm$2cm$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Gordon's Psychotherapist wrote:
>>>> Ubuntu, like all things Linux, is the perfect example of the classic
>>>> Puter Nerd mentality. They will spend 20+ years in their basements
>>>> building an electric powered rocket ship to the moon. and then right
>>>> before they go to launch it... they remember that they forgot to bring
>>>> a really long extension cord.
>>>>
>>>> In other words, they can make something great that ALMOST works like
>>>> it's supposed to, but they spend so much time tweaking out on massive
>>>> amounts of ways to customize and over complicate everything that they
>>>> ignore the simplest functions so that the average computer user can't
>>>> use it. Why can't GRANDMA use it?
>>>>
>>>> 1. Running the very limited catalog of programs from the Synaptic
>>>> package manager is easy. it's the other 99.9% of programs that require
>>>> entering code into the terminal or reading CHAPTERS of instructions on
>>>> how to simply install them. Seriously, how hard is it for a genius
>>>> puter programmer to write a simple program that will automatically run
>>>> an .exe? Sorry but WINE doesn't cut it. I really don't think my wife
>>>> is willing to compile source code for weeks so that she can watch her
>>>> Netflix.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Incompatibility with hardware
>>>>
>>>> 3. Incompatibility with Windows & Mac
>>>>
>>>> 4. 18 different kinds of media players to run a CD, DVD, MP3, or video
>>>> clip.
>>>>
>>>> 5. Most instructions written in l337 Speak as if everyone already
>>>> understands 99% of what they're talking about (because most people who
>>>> read instructions just do so as a hobby anyway)
>>>>
>>>> Other than that, it's a great OS.
>>>>
>>>> Don't get me wrong, I detest the proprietary, resource hogging,
>>>> unstable, insecure, over priced, Window$ garbage too. but it least it
>>>> kind of works.
>>>>
>>>> I already know what all the Lunix fanboys are getting ready to say:
>>>>
>>>> "Yea. whatever. SHUT UP NOOB! You forgot to put a comma in the correct
>>>> place in that one sentence dummy butt! FINE! Go use windows then NOOB.
>>>>
>>>> I will. And so will they. Because ALL Linux people use Windows or Mac
>>>> if they actually need to use a computer that works. they will just
>>>> never admit it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Though I've been "fooling" with Linux for about 8 years now...
>>> I still used Windows for most of my work.
>>>
>>> Last year I got a root kit and had my credit card hacked.
>>> Though I did not end up with any cash loss...it was a major scare and a
>>> wake up call.
>>>
>>> I am an extremely careful computer user...who never goes to the 'wrong'
>>> kinds of websites. Keep the machine and all my security software
>>> updated...but still ended up with a root kit.
>>>
>>> I switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year and have been
>>> using it for about 95% of my work.
>>>
>>> Of the few Win-apps I need, some run in Wine and some don't...
>>> so I will continue to use XP at least a small part of the time.
>>>
>>>
>>> I did give Vista a try and found the performance absolutely
>>> unacceptable... and also gave Win7 a try and found it to work quite a
>>> bit better.
>>>
>>> *however* neither Vista or Win7 had drivers for my very common SCSI card
>>> and scanner..not did they have drivers for my very common sound chip.
>>>
>>> Linux had no problems with any of the H/W.
>>>
>>> Though I did eventually get Vista and Win7 to get my SCSI card and
>>> scanner installed by using XP drivers...they still could not get my
>>> sound chip working.
>>>
>>> But the worst thing was that Vista and Win7 saw my external NTFS drive
>>> as unformatted! Sheesh, XP has no problems with it and I can read and
>>> write to it fine from Linux.
>>>
>>> Most ironic of it all, Win7 and Vista can run CHKDSK on the drive while
>>> booting up and still in the console mode...
>>> and read the drive fine from there and find *no* problems
>>>
>>> but booted to the GUI see the drive as unformatted and then prompt me to
>>> format it!
>>>
>>>
>>> So though I can hardly say that Linux can do *everything*, it's still
>>> been doing a heck of a good job for me<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Good for you, but why should that interest me in this particular group?
>> Please, don't answer it, because it doesn't.
>>
>> Harry.
>>
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> If you weren't interested, you wouldn't comment and you would ignore this
> thread.
>
> Alias <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Vista Succubus Hunter wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> philo wrote:
>
> <snipped>
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>>
>> Though I've been "fooling" with Linux for about 8 years now...
>> I still used Windows for most of my work.
>>
>> Last year I got a root kit and had my credit card hacked.
>> Though I did not end up with any cash loss...it was a major scare and
>> a wake up call.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> You contributed to the compromise of the machine in someway. It just
> didn't happen by itself.<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> I am an extremely careful computer user...who never goes to the
>> 'wrong' kinds of websites. Keep the machine and all my security
>> software updated...but still ended up with a root kit.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> I switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year and have been
>> using it for about 95% of my work.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> And Linux is not going to save you if you do the wrong point and click.
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Be sure and read the comments at the bottom of this one year old blog.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

From this 1 1/2 year old blog:

"Linux users can weaken the built-in resilience of the operating system
by running Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) More about Microsoft Windows
programs under applications such as Wine, Sergeant added."

LOL!
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Hackers using Open Source is good for Open Source, bad for Windows users.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> The 'security by oblivion party', because no one is using it, for Linux
> is coming to an end. And the Swiss cheese and Flying Dutchman that Linux
> really is will be exposed more and more. And the clueless are not going
> to be safe there either, as they start coming after Linux for the all
> mighty $$$$$.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Ill informed opinion contradicted by the very same articles you cited.

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Linux is no bed of roses, and it's wilting more and more, as they now
> start to come after it.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Ill informed opinion contradicted by the very same articles you cited.

Alias

 

Vista Succubus Hunter <Sucuubus@Hunter.com> wrote in
news:OY6JIVjPKHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> I switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year and have been
>> using it for about 95% of my work.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> And Linux is not going to save you if you do the wrong point and
> click.
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

This article talks about a rootkit that is actually part of a software
tool suite called Canvas Toolkit for security professionals. This is NOT
something in the wild and replicating by itself.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

The articles conclusion.......

"Bottom Line

Linux users shouldn't panic with fears of new attack vectors zeroing in
on their hard drives, however. No really threatening virus attacks exist.

"There always have been some viruses for the Linux platform. But there is
nothing new out there," Paul Piccard, director of threat research for
phishing scams and Linux viruses at Webroot, told LinuxInsider."

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

"Why virus writers are turning to open source" is the title of this
article.

The word Linux was never used, nor Windows, nor Apple/MAC. It's about the
virii/malware being listed as open-source and having many different
developers working on them.

'Open Source' refers to a software development model, NOT any specific
OS.

I guess you are one of the clueless that believe Open Source = Linux.

Or that all Linux programs are free. That's wrong too.

As a matter of fact, your posting with Thunderbird.....Open
Source...better look out....there's a rootkit coming your way.

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> The 'security by oblivion party', because no one is using it, for
> Linux is coming to an end. And the Swiss cheese and Flying Dutchman
> that Linux really is will be exposed more and more. And the clueless
> are not going to be safe there either, as they start coming after
> Linux for the all mighty $$$$$.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Not according to the articles you linked.

I'm ranking you at Jewboy/StanStarinski level...wait....slightly below.

 

DanS wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Vista Succubus Hunter <Sucuubus@Hunter.com> wrote in
> news:OY6JIVjPKHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> I switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year and have been
>>> using it for about 95% of my work.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>> And Linux is not going to save you if you do the wrong point and
>> click.
>>
>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> This article talks about a rootkit that is actually part of a software
> tool suite called Canvas Toolkit for security professionals. This is NOT
> something in the wild and replicating by itself.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

So, it's a root kit nonetheless, and it doesn't take a professional to
write a root kit. But, I guess that's beyond your comprehension?.<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> The articles conclusion.......
>
> "Bottom Line
>
> Linux users shouldn't panic with fears of new attack vectors zeroing in
> on their hard drives, however. No really threatening virus attacks exist.
>
> "There always have been some viruses for the Linux platform. But there is
> nothing new out there," Paul Piccard, director of threat research for
> phishing scams and Linux viruses at Webroot, told LinuxInsider."
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Bottom line is it's not going to stay that way, and it changing.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> "Why virus writers are turning to open source" is the title of this
> article.
>
> The word Linux was never used, nor Windows, nor Apple/MAC. It's about the
> virii/malware being listed as open-source and having many different
> developers working on them.
>
> 'Open Source' refers to a software development model, NOT any specific
> OS.
>
> I guess you are one of the clueless that believe Open Source = Linux.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

It's more associated with Linux.<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> Or that all Linux programs are free. That's wrong too.
>
> As a matter of fact, your posting with Thunderbird.....Open
> Source...better look out....there's a rootkit coming your way.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I know this, your point is moot.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> The 'security by oblivion party', because no one is using it, for
>> Linux is coming to an end. And the Swiss cheese and Flying Dutchman
>> that Linux really is will be exposed more and more. And the clueless
>> are not going to be safe there either, as they start coming after
>> Linux for the all mighty $$$$$.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Not according to the articles you linked.
>
> I'm ranking you at Jewboy/StanStarinski level...wait....slightly below.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

And you're just a COLA Boy out of place.

 

Alias wrote:

<snipped>

Did you read my other post to you?

 

Vista Succubus Hunter wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Alias wrote:
>
> <snipped><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

What was totally refuted by me.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Did you read my other post to you?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

To which of the many are you referring?

Alias

 

Alias wrote:

<snipped>

You actually replied with nose wide opened, huh?

 

Vista Succubus Hunter <Sucuubus@Hunter.com> wrote in
news:eEucFdkPKHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> DanS wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Vista Succubus Hunter <Sucuubus@Hunter.com> wrote in
>> news:OY6JIVjPKHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>> <!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>> I switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year and have been
>>>> using it for about 95% of my work.
>>> And Linux is not going to save you if you do the wrong point and
>>> click.
>>>
>>>
>>> ce <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> This article talks about a rootkit that is actually part of a
>> software tool suite called Canvas Toolkit for security professionals.
>> This is NOT something in the wild and replicating by itself.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> So, it's a root kit nonetheless, and it doesn't take a professional to
> write a root kit. But, I guess that's beyond your comprehension?.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Nothing is beyond my comprehension. But the sky is falling analogy you
want to portray is not realistic.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> <!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> The articles conclusion.......
>>
>> "Bottom Line
>>
>> Linux users shouldn't panic with fears of new attack vectors zeroing
>> in on their hard drives, however. No really threatening virus attacks
>> exist.
>>
>> "There always have been some viruses for the Linux platform. But
>> there is nothing new out there," Paul Piccard, director of threat
>> research for phishing scams and Linux viruses at Webroot, told
>> LinuxInsider."
>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Bottom line is it's not going to stay that way, and it changing.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

That was the story last year......and 3 years ago.....and back in
2003...etc.

Sure, it may happen, but it hasn't started yet.

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> "Why virus writers are turning to open source" is the title of this
>> article.
>>
>> The word Linux was never used, nor Windows, nor Apple/MAC. It's about
>> the virii/malware being listed as open-source and having many
>> different developers working on them.
>>
>> 'Open Source' refers to a software development model, NOT any
>> specific OS.
>>
>> I guess you are one of the clueless that believe Open Source = Linux.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> It's more associated with Linux.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

You linked an article in your argument as evidence that OS s/w is the
next target of malware/virii, but the article is completely irrelevant,
it doesn't matter.

<SNIP>
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> And you're just a COLA Boy out of place.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Puleeeeze. What a joke. COLA.

I'm just offering a rebuttal to your post, as it was nothing but FUD, and
the articles stated exactly opposite of what you thought they said. You
don't seem to smart, or thorough, or maybe it's just a lack of due
diligence.

 

DanS wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Vista Succubus Hunter <Sucuubus@Hunter.com> wrote in
> news:eEucFdkPKHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> DanS wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Vista Succubus Hunter <Sucuubus@Hunter.com> wrote in
>>> news:OY6JIVjPKHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>>> I switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year and have been
>>>>> using it for about 95% of my work.
>>>> And Linux is not going to save you if you do the wrong point and
>>>> click.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ce
>>> This article talks about a rootkit that is actually part of a
>>> software tool suite called Canvas Toolkit for security professionals.
>>> This is NOT something in the wild and replicating by itself.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>> So, it's a root kit nonetheless, and it doesn't take a professional to
>> write a root kit. But, I guess that's beyond your comprehension?.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Nothing is beyond my comprehension. But the sky is falling analogy you
> want to portray is not realistic.
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

The more popular Linux gets in the home user sector, the more it's going
to be compromised.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>>
>>> The articles conclusion.......
>>>
>>> "Bottom Line
>>>
>>> Linux users shouldn't panic with fears of new attack vectors zeroing
>>> in on their hard drives, however. No really threatening virus attacks
>>> exist.
>>>
>>> "There always have been some viruses for the Linux platform. But
>>> there is nothing new out there," Paul Piccard, director of threat
>>> research for phishing scams and Linux viruses at Webroot, told
>>> LinuxInsider."
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>> Bottom line is it's not going to stay that way, and it changing.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> That was the story last year......and 3 years ago.....and back in
> 2003...etc.
>
> Sure, it may happen, but it hasn't started yet.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

It's been happening, and it's going to happen even more.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>>
>>> "Why virus writers are turning to open source" is the title of this
>>> article.
>>>
>>> The word Linux was never used, nor Windows, nor Apple/MAC. It's about
>>> the virii/malware being listed as open-source and having many
>>> different developers working on them.
>>>
>>> 'Open Source' refers to a software development model, NOT any
>>> specific OS.
>>>
>>> I guess you are one of the clueless that believe Open Source = Linux.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>> It's more associated with Linux.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> You linked an article in your argument as evidence that OS s/w is the
> next target of malware/virii, but the article is completely irrelevant,
> it doesn't matter.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

You don't count, because O/S(s) get attacked due to the software that's
running on them, which will be targeting Linux.<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> <SNIP>
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> And you're just a COLA Boy out of place.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Puleeeeze. What a joke. COLA.
>
> I'm just offering a rebuttal to your post, as it was nothing but FUD, and
> the articles stated exactly opposite of what you thought they said. You
> don't seem to smart, or thorough, or maybe it's just a lack of due
> diligence.
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

You're no more than a COLA boy with all kinds of excuse.

 

Vista Succubus Hunter <Sucuubus@Hunter.com> wrote in
news:eJa2yElPKHA.5032@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> DanS wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Vista Succubus Hunter <Sucuubus@Hunter.com> wrote in
>> news:eEucFdkPKHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
>> <!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>> Vista Succubus Hunter <Sucuubus@Hunter.com> wrote in
>>>> news:OY6JIVjPKHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>>>>
>>>>>> I switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year and have
>>>>>> been using it for about 95% of my work.
>>>>> And Linux is not going to save you if you do the wrong point and
>>>>> click.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ur ce
>>>> This article talks about a rootkit that is actually part of a
>>>> software tool suite called Canvas Toolkit for security
>>>> professionals. This is NOT something in the wild and replicating by
>>>> itself.
>>> So, it's a root kit nonetheless, and it doesn't take a professional
>>> to write a root kit. But, I guess that's beyond your comprehension?.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Nothing is beyond my comprehension. But the sky is falling analogy
>> you want to portray is not realistic.
>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> The more popular Linux gets in the home user sector, the more it's
> going to be compromised.
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>>>
>>>> The articles conclusion.......
>>>>
>>>> "Bottom Line
>>>>
>>>> Linux users shouldn't panic with fears of new attack vectors
>>>> zeroing in on their hard drives, however. No really threatening
>>>> virus attacks exist.
>>>>
>>>> "There always have been some viruses for the Linux platform. But
>>>> there is nothing new out there," Paul Piccard, director of threat
>>>> research for phishing scams and Linux viruses at Webroot, told
>>>> LinuxInsider."
>>>>
>>> Bottom line is it's not going to stay that way, and it changing.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> That was the story last year......and 3 years ago.....and back in
>> 2003...etc.
>>
>> Sure, it may happen, but it hasn't started yet.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> It's been happening, and it's going to happen even more.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

No. It hasn't been happening.


<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>>>
>>>> "Why virus writers are turning to open source" is the title of this
>>>> article.
>>>>
>>>> The word Linux was never used, nor Windows, nor Apple/MAC. It's
>>>> about the virii/malware being listed as open-source and having many
>>>> different developers working on them.
>>>>
>>>> 'Open Source' refers to a software development model, NOT any
>>>> specific OS.
>>>>
>>>> I guess you are one of the clueless that believe Open Source =
>>>> Linux.
>>> It's more associated with Linux.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> You linked an article in your argument as evidence that OS s/w is the
>> next target of malware/virii, but the article is completely
>> irrelevant, it doesn't matter.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> You don't count, because O/S(s) get attacked due to the software
> that's running on them, which will be targeting Linux.<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> <SNIP>
>> <!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> And you're just a COLA Boy out of place.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Puleeeeze. What a joke. COLA.
>>
>> I'm just offering a rebuttal to your post, as it was nothing but FUD,
>> and the articles stated exactly opposite of what you thought they
>> said. You don't seem to smart, or thorough, or maybe it's just a
>> lack of due diligence.
>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> You're no more than a COLA boy with all kinds of excuse.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Not at all. I'm not even using Linux, and haven't in six months.

 

DanS wrote:

<snipped>
<yawn>

You're boring me.

 

Vista Succubus Hunter <Sucuubus@Hunter.com> wrote in news:uE7y#GnPKHA.5032
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> DanS wrote:
>
> <snipped>
> <yawn>
>
> You're boring me.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Because you put forth a very weak argument that a 3rd grader could have
picked apart, I'm boring you ?

 

Vista Succubus Hunter wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Alias wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> You actually replied with nose wide opened, huh? <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Oh, you think you're being cute and clever by snipping and then being
snide? How cute. Can you roll over and play dead too?

Alias

 

Alias wrote:

<snipped>
<yawn>

 

DanS wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Vista Succubus Hunter <Sucuubus@Hunter.com> wrote in news:uE7y#GnPKHA.5032
> @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> DanS wrote:
>>
>> <snipped>
>> <yawn>
>>
>> You're boring me.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Because you put forth a very weak argument that a 3rd grader could have
> picked apart, I'm boring you ?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->



Oh one other point I forgot to make the first time...

Several of the Linux distributions I tried probed my graphics card
exceedingly well.

Both Fedora and Debian based distributions (such as Ubuntu) gave far
superior graphics rendition to my Windows installation on the same
machine. (I multi-boot through the use of removable drives)

Though NVidia does have Linux drivers...even without them the graphics
rendition was very clear, crisp and sharp.

As a photographer that turned out to be a major plus for Linux.

Once I saw how great it was it was pretty hard to even go back and look
at a Windows machine...and after a lot of fooling around I was at least
able to tweak XP a bit...to make it slightly better