Re: Microsoft set to respond to Google OS next Monday?

"Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in
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> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:36:29 -0500, DanS wrote:
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>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in
>> news:Xns9C429D8D623BFthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131:
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>>>> I'm not disputing your public library or your personal experiences.
>>>> I'm just telling you about my experiences. NOT ONCE have I ever seen
>>>> Linux in use in a personal computer in my fairly normal day to day
>>>> life. Not in my library, not in the homes of my friends, not at the
>>>> coffee shop, not at the airport or on flights, not in the retail
>>>> stores I go to, not in the computer oriented stores small and large <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
I<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>> go to, not in emails from my friends and acquaintances. The ONLY <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
place<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>> I ever hear about Linux is on newsgroups and tech blogs.
>>>>
>>>> I would however be curious about your "multitude" of examples <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
because<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>> I just don't see a multitude of anything when it comes to Linux.
>>>> Certainly the adoption figures I see bantered about the internet do
>>>> not support use of the word multitude. Your relatively small and
>>>> geographically isolated community in Idaho may indeed have a bigger
>>>> adoption rate for linux for whatever reasons but I sure don't see <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
that<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>> in many other places.
>>>
>>> I found this interesting.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (Not knowing how old this is.)<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Seems to be from 2003, so maybe not relevant.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> From the site you linked to:
> "As of 2008-03-23, there are 717 entries in this list."
>
> Although it's old (472 days, a bit over a year and a quarter), it's not
> 2003 <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Geez....how the hell did I come up with 2003 ?!?!?!?!

 

Charles Tomaras wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C429F393D451thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in
>> news:Xn65m.57126$K24.8956@newsfe19.iad:
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9C4281A5B3FEEthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>> "Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in
>>>> news:ep35m.17042$wE4.9333@newsfe02.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7bjs7oF1u6fq6U73@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> BTW
>>>>>> - I know a whole host of 'non-geeks' using Linux. We have Linux on
>>>>>> 13 of the 14 public access internet computers at the local library.
>>>>>> Folks have been using them for over four years and zero complaints
>>>>>> to date - a sizable number of them seem to be unaware they're not
>>>>>> useing an MS product. And, for the record, we have six home
>>>>>> computers networked together. One of them may be capable of booting
>>>>>> XP - I'm not sure because I haven't tried since we got it
>>>>>> (immediately installed Linux on it and that's what we've used).
>>>>>> We've been 100% Linux for over five years.
>>>>> I'll put in another vote that the only place I've ever seen Linux
>>>>> users is on a tech related newsgroup. I don't know anyone who
>>>>> actually uses it, don't see them at the coffee shop, on jobs or in
>>>>> their homes. All seems to be Windows or Mac that I see in the real
>>>>> world.
>>>> Here's one.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read the first post, and then look at the pic in the link in that
>>>> post.
>>> Well there you go, another internet specific unix forum with a
>>> personal photo link. Once again, I'll say I've never seen much about
>>> Linux anywhere except for tech blogs.
>>>
>>> With Windows and Mac one doesn't have to "read the first post and then
>>> look at the pic in the link in that post" to find Windows and Mac.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>> You asked who uses Linux in the real world, I provided a link showing a
>> company that does, in the real world.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> No, actually I said that I haven't seen it in MY "real" world. I only see it
> on the internet in tech links like the one you provided. One would expect to
> see links like that on a "fixunix" web site under ubuntu. I'm not disputing
> your link I'm just saying it's not very prevalent and in my day to day,
> going about my non tech business real life it just doesn't seem to exist.
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

But that's one of the great things about it. You probably use linux
several times a day and aren't even aware. It's in a large number of
devices and machines today as an embedded OS. Very transparent. And it
just works.

--
"Software is like sex, it's better when it's free."
- Linus Torvalds

DRM and unintended consequences:

 

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
news:Xns9C4349226273Bthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in
> news:gp2v7dvf6zcw.55uzyzvrpm42.dlg@40tude.net:
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>> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:36:29 -0500, DanS wrote:
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in
>>> news:Xns9C429D8D623BFthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131:
>>>
>>>>> I'm not disputing your public library or your personal experiences.
>>>>> I'm just telling you about my experiences. NOT ONCE have I ever seen
>>>>> Linux in use in a personal computer in my fairly normal day to day
>>>>> life. Not in my library, not in the homes of my friends, not at the
>>>>> coffee shop, not at the airport or on flights, not in the retail
>>>>> stores I go to, not in the computer oriented stores small and large<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> I<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>>> go to, not in emails from my friends and acquaintances. The ONLY<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> place<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>>> I ever hear about Linux is on newsgroups and tech blogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would however be curious about your "multitude" of examples<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> because<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>>> I just don't see a multitude of anything when it comes to Linux.
>>>>> Certainly the adoption figures I see bantered about the internet do
>>>>> not support use of the word multitude. Your relatively small and
>>>>> geographically isolated community in Idaho may indeed have a bigger
>>>>> adoption rate for linux for whatever reasons but I sure don't see<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> that<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>>> in many other places.
>>>>
>>>> I found this interesting.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Not knowing how old this is.)
>>>
>>> Seems to be from 2003, so maybe not relevant.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> From the site you linked to:
>> "As of 2008-03-23, there are 717 entries in this list."
>>
>> Although it's old (472 days, a bit over a year and a quarter), it's not
>> 2003 <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Geez....how the hell did I come up with 2003 ?!?!?!?!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Cut back on the drugs before you begin to post

 

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:20:46 -0700, Charles Tomaras wrote:
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> I'm not disputing your public library or your personal experiences. I'm
> just telling you about my experiences. NOT ONCE have I ever seen Linux
> in use in a personal computer in my fairly normal day to day life. Not
> in my library, not in the homes of my friends, not at the coffee shop,
> not at the airport or on flights, not in the retail stores I go to, not
> in the computer oriented stores small and large I go to, not in emails
> from my friends and acquaintances. The ONLY place I ever hear about
> Linux is on newsgroups and tech blogs.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I don't see much of it either but more than you. a couple of yrs ago,
when there still was Circuit City here (Albany, NY) I was looking at
laptops and told the sales clerk I regretted not bringing a 'live-cd'
along to test the machines' capability with Linux. he immediately offered
to look for _his_ Linux cd! floored me. he apparently was some kind of
Gentoo type! _really_ floored me.

I notice the NYTimes technical section often responds to letters it
prints from people asking about computer problems with a reference to
whether the solution they are proposing works with Linux.

and magazine racks in Germany where I often visit have several glossy
Linux mags and some glossy os-agnostic rags which do Linux stories.

but most ordinary people (small college) I meet have barely heard of
Linux, let alone seen it. most students are unaware of it (here).

Felmon

 

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:11:01 -0500, DanS wrote:
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> "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in
> news:gp2v7dvf6zcw.55uzyzvrpm42.dlg@40tude.net:
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:36:29 -0500, DanS wrote:
>> <!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in
>>> news:Xns9C429D8D623BFthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131:
>>>
>>>>> I'm not disputing your public library or your personal experiences.
>>>>> I'm just telling you about my experiences. NOT ONCE have I ever seen
>>>>> Linux in use in a personal computer in my fairly normal day to day
>>>>> life. Not in my library, not in the homes of my friends, not at the
>>>>> coffee shop, not at the airport or on flights, not in the retail
>>>>> stores I go to, not in the computer oriented stores small and large <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> I<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>>> go to, not in emails from my friends and acquaintances. The ONLY <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> place<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>>> I ever hear about Linux is on newsgroups and tech blogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would however be curious about your "multitude" of examples <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> because<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>>> I just don't see a multitude of anything when it comes to Linux.
>>>>> Certainly the adoption figures I see bantered about the internet do
>>>>> not support use of the word multitude. Your relatively small and
>>>>> geographically isolated community in Idaho may indeed have a bigger
>>>>> adoption rate for linux for whatever reasons but I sure don't see <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> that<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>>> in many other places.
>>>>
>>>> I found this interesting.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Not knowing how old this is.)
>>>
>>> Seems to be from 2003, so maybe not relevant.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> From the site you linked to:
>> "As of 2008-03-23, there are 717 entries in this list."
>>
>> Although it's old (472 days, a bit over a year and a quarter), it's not
>> 2003 <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Geez....how the hell did I come up with 2003 ?!?!?!?!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I think you're used to a different order of fields in the date. There is
that 03 in the middle and the 3 at the end (yeah, there's a 2 there too).

I do that sort of thing a lot, like the headline says "President rejects
new proposal" and at first I see it as "President rejects new
prostitute"...

Oh well, it keeps me laughing...at myself.

--
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom

 

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:59:52 -0500, felmon <nemo@nowhere.INVALID>
wrote:
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>and magazine racks in Germany where I often visit have several glossy
>Linux mags and some glossy os-agnostic rags which do Linux stories.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

When your glossy mags contain Linux, you really need to rush to the
hospital and get a geek reduction performed ASAP.

 

I see it as "President rejects new<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> prostitute"...
>
> Oh well, it keeps me laughing...at myself.
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
very funny. LOL

 

I have heard but never tried/tested linux/ubuntu. What is the difference?
(serious question)

--
Spook
spook@xnets.co.za

 

"Spook" <spook@xnets.co.za> wrote in
news:umPrMkZAKHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
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> I have heard but never tried/tested linux/ubuntu. What is the
> difference? (serious question)<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Different......

-Most are free.
-Most s/w is free.
-Not as 'polished' looking as Windows. (Not necessarily true, depending
on what you like.)
-Operates differently than Windows.
-*Possibly* a good amount of command line work.
- Not a lot of decent games. (Although Unreal Tournament3 ran better
using WINE on Linux than under native Windows.)

There isn't a huuuuuge selection of s/w. But there's at least one or two
fairly decent apps for each task.

You can look @ and see the top one or two titles
in each category. This is a great site to see what's available for Linux.

The major internet apps are available for Linux......Thunderbird,
Firefox, FileZilla, Trillian, Pan.....OK...what else is needed there ?

Check one or more out. Most popular distros have a 'live CD', which is a
bootable CD that will run the Linux OS from the CD without making any
changes to your PC.

 

Thanks, I think I will try it just to see what people are bitching about.

Cheers

--
Spook
spook@xnets.co.za

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
news:Xns9C44B3254BE6Cthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Spook" <spook@xnets.co.za> wrote in
> news:umPrMkZAKHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> I have heard but never tried/tested linux/ubuntu. What is the
>> difference? (serious question)<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Different......
>
> -Most are free.
> -Most s/w is free.
> -Not as 'polished' looking as Windows. (Not necessarily true, depending
> on what you like.)
> -Operates differently than Windows.
> -*Possibly* a good amount of command line work.
> - Not a lot of decent games. (Although Unreal Tournament3 ran better
> using WINE on Linux than under native Windows.)
>
> There isn't a huuuuuge selection of s/w. But there's at least one or two
> fairly decent apps for each task.
>
> You can look @ and see the top one or two titles
> in each category. This is a great site to see what's available for Linux.
>
> The major internet apps are available for Linux......Thunderbird,
> Firefox, FileZilla, Trillian, Pan.....OK...what else is needed there ?
>
> Check one or more out. Most popular distros have a 'live CD', which is a
> bootable CD that will run the Linux OS from the CD without making any
> changes to your PC.
>
>
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->