Off topic - maybe not

Windows 7 is going RTM in latter July. General availability is set for
October 22.

If you are currently running Vista the upgrade is painless.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience

 

Richard Urban wrote:
> Windows 7 is going RTM in latter July. General availability is set for
> October 22.
>
> If you are currently running Vista the upgrade is painless.
>


The real question is: When will all of the hardware manufacturers have
device drivers ready? Or will their lack of timely response plague
Win7, as it did Vista?


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killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

 

Good point Richard!! Let us just hope they get it right this time...

"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
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> Richard Urban wrote:
>> Windows 7 is going RTM in latter July. General availability is set for
>> October 22.
>>
>> If you are currently running Vista the upgrade is painless.
>>
>
>
> The real question is: When will all of the hardware manufacturers have
> device drivers ready? Or will their lack of timely response plague Win7,
> as it did Vista?
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
> Russell
>
> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
> killed a great many philosophers.
> ~ Denis Diderot

 

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Windows 7 is going RTM in latter July. General availability is set for
> October 22.
>
> If you are currently running Vista the upgrade is painless.
>


Painless, and hopefully not pointless. Time will tell.

--
Jon

 

Richard Urban wrote:
> Windows 7 is going RTM in latter July. General availability is set for
> October 22.
>
> If you are currently running Vista the upgrade is painless.
>
Painless perhaps, but not cost-free...

Bill

 

> Painless perhaps, but not cost-free...
>
> Bill


What IS cost free?

Rich

 

Richard Urban;1056984 Wrote:
> Windows 7 is going RTM in latter July. General availability is set for
> October 22.
>
> If you are currently running Vista the upgrade is painless.
>
> --
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience

hello Richard, yes the upgrade is painless.....

'take a trip over here for more.' (http://www.sevenforums.com/)


SK


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And just why should it be cost free?

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Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Bill Sharpe" <wfsnopam@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> Richard Urban wrote:
>> Windows 7 is going RTM in latter July. General availability is set for
>> October 22.
>>
>> If you are currently running Vista the upgrade is painless.
>>
> Painless perhaps, but not cost-free...
>
> Bill

 

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:46:05 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>And just why should it be cost free?


Because it's really SP3 for Vista, a buggy and feature deprived OS
that should never have been released - or at least should be upgraded
to Win7 for free.

 

+Bob+ wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:46:05 -0400, "Richard Urban"
> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And just why should it be cost free?
>
>
> Because it's really SP3 for Vista, a buggy and feature deprived OS
> that should never have been released - or at least should be upgraded
> to Win7 for free.

That may be your opinion but not one shared by very many people. Its not
an SP3 for Vista since SP2 for Vista came out long after Win7 was in
development and there are many changes from Vista.

Tho of course I'm probably wasting my time with the likes of you, no doubt.

 

Tae Song wrote:
>
> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
> news:vccg25p4mbaqpum4rsie29lqaool64qcbe@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:46:05 -0400, "Richard Urban"
>> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And just why should it be cost free?
>>
>>
>> Because it's really SP3 for Vista, a buggy and feature deprived OS
>> that should never have been released - or at least should be upgraded
>> to Win7 for free.
>
> Free upgrade to Win7, I will second that motion.

Why on earth should MS release a new version of Windows for free after
spending boatloads of money paying people to make it? You think
Microsoft should be a charity?

 

I have used Vista Ultimate trouble free for over 2 1/2 years now (on 3
personal computers). I have gotten my moneys worth out of this operating
system. It owes me nothing.

When Windows 7 comes out I will gladly pay to purchase either Windows 7
Professional or Windows 7 Ultimate and use that for another 2 years.

You're just cheap and think that everyone owes you something!

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:46:05 -0400, "Richard Urban"
> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>And just why should it be cost free?
>
>
> Because it's really SP3 for Vista, a buggy and feature deprived OS
> that should never have been released - or at least should be upgraded
> to Win7 for free.

 

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:27:38 -0400, "Richard Urban" a convicted
top-poster <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:


>
>
>"+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
>news:vccg25p4mbaqpum4rsie29lqaool64qcbe@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:46:05 -0400, "Richard Urban"
>> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>And just why should it be cost free?
>>
>>
>> Because it's really SP3 for Vista, a buggy and feature deprived OS
>> that should never have been released - or at least should be upgraded
>> to Win7 for free.

>I have used Vista Ultimate trouble free for over 2 1/2 years now (on 3
>personal computers). I have gotten my moneys worth out of this operating
>system. It owes me nothing.

You've made the erroneous assumption that your experience represents
the world. Plenty of both personal and corporate users disagree with
you. Perhaps you should pay more attention to the media and industry.

>When Windows 7 comes out I will gladly pay to purchase either Windows 7
>Professional or Windows 7 Ultimate and use that for another 2 years.
>
>You're just cheap and think that everyone owes you something!

Do you always make assumptions about people you don't even know?

I don't mind paying for goods that provide value equal to the expense.
Vista does not. While it's short of "rip off", it's certainly damaged
goods. Charging people for the correction - Win7 - now that's a rip
off.

 

I have to agree with the positive on this as myself and all my friends and
contacts also have been running Vista since day one with no stumbles,
crashes or anything negative.. The only thing I have done to this system is
switch from 32 bit to 64 bit and knew way ahead that I would need to do a
clean install.. The majority of problems people have had is due to inferior
equipment or inferior mentality. Which category do you fall in as it is one
or the other as there is no other possibilities!!!

"+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:27:38 -0400, "Richard Urban" a convicted
> top-poster <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>"+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
>>news:vccg25p4mbaqpum4rsie29lqaool64qcbe@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:46:05 -0400, "Richard Urban"
>>> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>And just why should it be cost free?
>>>
>>>
>>> Because it's really SP3 for Vista, a buggy and feature deprived OS
>>> that should never have been released - or at least should be upgraded
>>> to Win7 for free.
>
>>I have used Vista Ultimate trouble free for over 2 1/2 years now (on 3
>>personal computers). I have gotten my moneys worth out of this operating
>>system. It owes me nothing.
>
> You've made the erroneous assumption that your experience represents
> the world. Plenty of both personal and corporate users disagree with
> you. Perhaps you should pay more attention to the media and industry.
>
>>When Windows 7 comes out I will gladly pay to purchase either Windows 7
>>Professional or Windows 7 Ultimate and use that for another 2 years.
>>
>>You're just cheap and think that everyone owes you something!
>
> Do you always make assumptions about people you don't even know?
>
> I don't mind paying for goods that provide value equal to the expense.
> Vista does not. While it's short of "rip off", it's certainly damaged
> goods. Charging people for the correction - Win7 - now that's a rip
> off.
>

 

Then don't buy it!

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:27:38 -0400, "Richard Urban" a convicted
> top-poster <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>"+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
>>news:vccg25p4mbaqpum4rsie29lqaool64qcbe@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:46:05 -0400, "Richard Urban"
>>> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>And just why should it be cost free?
>>>
>>>
>>> Because it's really SP3 for Vista, a buggy and feature deprived OS
>>> that should never have been released - or at least should be upgraded
>>> to Win7 for free.
>
>>I have used Vista Ultimate trouble free for over 2 1/2 years now (on 3
>>personal computers). I have gotten my moneys worth out of this operating
>>system. It owes me nothing.
>
> You've made the erroneous assumption that your experience represents
> the world. Plenty of both personal and corporate users disagree with
> you. Perhaps you should pay more attention to the media and industry.
>
>>When Windows 7 comes out I will gladly pay to purchase either Windows 7
>>Professional or Windows 7 Ultimate and use that for another 2 years.
>>
>>You're just cheap and think that everyone owes you something!
>
> Do you always make assumptions about people you don't even know?
>
> I don't mind paying for goods that provide value equal to the expense.
> Vista does not. While it's short of "rip off", it's certainly damaged
> goods. Charging people for the correction - Win7 - now that's a rip
> off.
>

 

+Bob+ wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:27:38 -0400, "Richard Urban" a convicted
> top-poster <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
>> news:vccg25p4mbaqpum4rsie29lqaool64qcbe@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:46:05 -0400, "Richard Urban"
>>> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And just why should it be cost free?
>>>
>>> Because it's really SP3 for Vista, a buggy and feature deprived OS
>>> that should never have been released - or at least should be upgraded
>>> to Win7 for free.
>
>> I have used Vista Ultimate trouble free for over 2 1/2 years now (on 3
>> personal computers). I have gotten my moneys worth out of this operating
>> system. It owes me nothing.
>
> You've made the erroneous assumption that your experience represents
> the world.

You're the pot calling the kettle black. You do that everyday in here.

Plenty of both personal and corporate users disagree with
> you.

A mere handful compared to those who like Vista.

Perhaps you should pay more attention to the media and industry.

Perhaps it is you who should take your own advice.

>
>> When Windows 7 comes out I will gladly pay to purchase either Windows 7
>> Professional or Windows 7 Ultimate and use that for another 2 years.
>>
>> You're just cheap and think that everyone owes you something!
>
> Do you always make assumptions about people you don't even know?

That is your modus operandi.
>
> I don't mind paying for goods that provide value equal to the expense.
> Vista does not.

It does.

While it's short of "rip off", it's certainly damaged
> goods.

It's not.

Charging people for the correction - Win7 - now that's a rip
> off.

Windows 7 is not a "correction".

 

"+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:46:05 -0400, "Richard Urban"
> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>And just why should it be cost free?
>
>
> Because it's really SP3 for Vista, a buggy and feature deprived OS
> that should never have been released - or at least should be upgraded
> to Win7 for free.

Free upgrade to Win7, I will second that motion.

 

"milt" <theatreguy_spam@miltsspamweb.com> wrote in message
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> Tae Song wrote:
>>
>> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
>> news:vccg25p4mbaqpum4rsie29lqaool64qcbe@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:46:05 -0400, "Richard Urban"
>>> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And just why should it be cost free?
>>>
>>>
>>> Because it's really SP3 for Vista, a buggy and feature deprived OS
>>> that should never have been released - or at least should be upgraded
>>> to Win7 for free.
>>
>> Free upgrade to Win7, I will second that motion.
>
> Why on earth should MS release a new version of Windows for free after
> spending boatloads of money paying people to make it? You think Microsoft
> should be a charity?

It's not like they are going to. I just liked the idea. I didn't say it
was reasonable.

 

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:59:18 -0700, "Drew" <Aylen1957@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>I have to agree with the positive on this as myself and all my friends and
>contacts also have been running Vista since day one with no stumbles,
>crashes or anything negative.. The only thing I have done to this system is
>switch from 32 bit to 64 bit and knew way ahead that I would need to do a
>clean install.. The majority of problems people have had is due to inferior
>equipment or inferior mentality. Which category do you fall in as it is one
>or the other as there is no other possibilities!!!

Total BS. Take a look around the industry. See how many people have
issue with Vista. See how many corporations refused to adopt Vista
after an in-depth review (Corporations that consistently upgraded from
one windows release to the next, sans Millennium, without exception).

As for my equipment, it's new and certified for Vista. That doesn't
make Vista any better, it just doesn't make it worse. The same goes
for those major corporation I mentioned.

As for mentality, I'm sure I beat you there - if only by having the
intelligence not to make erroneous assumptions about other people.
Likewise, many VERY talented people with serious Windows engineering
and support skills, people with list of certifications, people who did
robust testing, have advised their corporations/businesses not to
adopt Vista (but for some reason, you, untrained, uncertified,
unaccomplished, and sitting at your lone desktop, seem to know
better).

 

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:05:37 -0400, "Richard Urban" still a hopeless
top-poster <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Then don't buy it!
>
>--
>

That's not the issue. Vista needs serious correction. Paying for SP3,
er, I mean Windows 7, may be the only solution.