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  1. William Yanaire, ESQ

    William Yanaire, ESQ Guest

    "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
    news:comg359ns91qf3dji67cgoakt1gjiidsd7@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:24:05 -0700, "Bill Yanaire, ESQ"
    > <bill@yanaire.com> wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>You must not understand software. There are always bugs in software,
    >>especially Operating Systems. That is one thing I dislike about Microsoft
    >>is charging for support when it's their issue, but there are times when
    >>it's
    >>user error.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > I understand software just fine. I worked in software for years. I
    > worked with business software engineers, OS and core application
    > software engineers, and firmware (hardware support) engineers.
    >
    > Never did any of them ever knowingly release software that contained
    > bugs. To do so would be irresponsible and grounds for dismissal. MS,
    > OTOH, releases software with documented bug reports in hand (10K AFAIR
    > for Win 2000; it's gotten worse in later releases).
    >
    > There will always be "bugs" in realistic application and OS
    > programming that will be discovered after release. That's expected and
    > acceptable. MS should fix those without question or cost for support.
    > But, releasing software with known bugs? That's unacceptable most
    > everywhere except at MS.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    I disagree with you statement about releasing software with known bugs.
    Depends on the severity of the bugs and the timeline for release. Software
    is complicated and some bugs are not discovered until late in the
    development cycle. Therefore it is impossible and impractical to relase
    software without bugs.

    By the way, if you do get support from Microsoft and the bug is proven to be
    theirs, the cost of your support issue then becomes free.
     
    William Yanaire, ESQ, Jun 17, 2009
    #41
  3. +Bob+

    +Bob+ Guest

    On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:39:07 -0700, "William Yanaire, ESQ"
    <william@yanaire.com> wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >I disagree with you statement about releasing software with known bugs.
    >Depends on the severity of the bugs and the timeline for release. Software
    >is complicated and some bugs are not discovered until late in the
    >development cycle. Therefore it is impossible and impractical to relase
    >software without bugs.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Perhaps you release with some known operational issues. You never
    release with bugs that are known to affect the experience of a large
    number of users. For example, Vista's serious problems with network
    connectivity and I/O problems were well known to MS - but they
    released anyway. Again, 10,000 KNOWN bugs. That's unprecedented.
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >By the way, if you do get support from Microsoft and the bug is proven to be
    >theirs, the cost of your support issue then becomes free. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    And try to prove it.
     
    +Bob+, Jun 17, 2009
    #42
  4. William Yanaire, ESQ

    William Yanaire, ESQ Guest

    "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
    news:hh5i359gvgho8sb6d65ul6vajecluvj38m@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:39:07 -0700, "William Yanaire, ESQ"
    > <william@yanaire.com> wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>I disagree with you statement about releasing software with known bugs.
    >>Depends on the severity of the bugs and the timeline for release.
    >>Software
    >>is complicated and some bugs are not discovered until late in the
    >>development cycle. Therefore it is impossible and impractical to relase
    >>software without bugs.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Perhaps you release with some known operational issues. You never
    > release with bugs that are known to affect the experience of a large
    > number of users. For example, Vista's serious problems with network
    > connectivity and I/O problems were well known to MS - but they
    > released anyway. Again, 10,000 KNOWN bugs. That's unprecedented.
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>By the way, if you do get support from Microsoft and the bug is proven to
    >>be
    >>theirs, the cost of your support issue then becomes free.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > And try to prove it.
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Been there. Done that. I have proven it and I have been credited the money
    spent for a support call. More than once.

    Regarding the serious issues with Vista, I have to agree with you. There
    were quite a few "bugs" that got out and Microsoft should have delayed the
    release by 6 months. Hopefully they learned their lesson. If not, they
    will die a slow death.
     
    William Yanaire, ESQ, Jun 17, 2009
    #43
  5. Alias

    Alias Guest

    William Yanaire, ESQ wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:hh5i359gvgho8sb6d65ul6vajecluvj38m@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:39:07 -0700, "William Yanaire, ESQ"
    >> <william@yanaire.com> wrote:
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> I disagree with you statement about releasing software with known bugs.
    >>> Depends on the severity of the bugs and the timeline for release.
    >>> Software
    >>> is complicated and some bugs are not discovered until late in the
    >>> development cycle. Therefore it is impossible and impractical to relase
    >>> software without bugs.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >> Perhaps you release with some known operational issues. You never
    >> release with bugs that are known to affect the experience of a large
    >> number of users. For example, Vista's serious problems with network
    >> connectivity and I/O problems were well known to MS - but they
    >> released anyway. Again, 10,000 KNOWN bugs. That's unprecedented.
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> By the way, if you do get support from Microsoft and the bug is proven to
    >>> be
    >>> theirs, the cost of your support issue then becomes free.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >> And try to prove it.
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Been there. Done that. I have proven it and I have been credited the money
    > spent for a support call. More than once.
    >
    > Regarding the serious issues with Vista, I have to agree with you. There
    > were quite a few "bugs" that got out and Microsoft should have delayed the
    > release by 6 months. Hopefully they learned their lesson. If not, they
    > will die a slow death.
    >
    >
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    And you'll use Ubuntu, right?

    LOL!

    Alias
     
    Alias, Jun 17, 2009
    #44
  6. William Yanaire, ESQ

    William Yanaire, ESQ Guest

    "Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
    news:h1b6h5$6ru$2@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > William Yanaire, ESQ wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
    >> news:hh5i359gvgho8sb6d65ul6vajecluvj38m@4ax.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:39:07 -0700, "William Yanaire, ESQ"
    >>> <william@yanaire.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I disagree with you statement about releasing software with known bugs.
    >>>> Depends on the severity of the bugs and the timeline for release.
    >>>> Software
    >>>> is complicated and some bugs are not discovered until late in the
    >>>> development cycle. Therefore it is impossible and impractical to
    >>>> relase
    >>>> software without bugs.
    >>> Perhaps you release with some known operational issues. You never
    >>> release with bugs that are known to affect the experience of a large
    >>> number of users. For example, Vista's serious problems with network
    >>> connectivity and I/O problems were well known to MS - but they
    >>> released anyway. Again, 10,000 KNOWN bugs. That's unprecedented.
    >>>
    >>>> By the way, if you do get support from Microsoft and the bug is proven
    >>>> to be
    >>>> theirs, the cost of your support issue then becomes free.
    >>> And try to prove it.
    >>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> Been there. Done that. I have proven it and I have been credited the
    >> money spent for a support call. More than once.
    >>
    >> Regarding the serious issues with Vista, I have to agree with you. There
    >> were quite a few "bugs" that got out and Microsoft should have delayed
    >> the release by 6 months. Hopefully they learned their lesson. If not,
    >> they will die a slow death.
    >>
    >>
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > And you'll use Ubuntu, right?
    >
    > LOL!
    >
    > Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    I wouldn't go that far. I will continue to use Windows software while I am
    employed. I have 8 years to go before retirement and alot can happen in 8
    years.
     
    William Yanaire, ESQ, Jun 17, 2009
    #45
  7. Alias

    Alias Guest

    William Yanaire, ESQ wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:h1b6h5$6ru$2@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> William Yanaire, ESQ wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:hh5i359gvgho8sb6d65ul6vajecluvj38m@4ax.com...
    >>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:39:07 -0700, "William Yanaire, ESQ"
    >>>> <william@yanaire.com> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I disagree with you statement about releasing software with known bugs.
    >>>>> Depends on the severity of the bugs and the timeline for release.
    >>>>> Software
    >>>>> is complicated and some bugs are not discovered until late in the
    >>>>> development cycle. Therefore it is impossible and impractical to
    >>>>> relase
    >>>>> software without bugs.
    >>>> Perhaps you release with some known operational issues. You never
    >>>> release with bugs that are known to affect the experience of a large
    >>>> number of users. For example, Vista's serious problems with network
    >>>> connectivity and I/O problems were well known to MS - but they
    >>>> released anyway. Again, 10,000 KNOWN bugs. That's unprecedented.
    >>>>
    >>>>> By the way, if you do get support from Microsoft and the bug is proven
    >>>>> to be
    >>>>> theirs, the cost of your support issue then becomes free.
    >>>> And try to prove it.
    >>>>
    >>> Been there. Done that. I have proven it and I have been credited the
    >>> money spent for a support call. More than once.
    >>>
    >>> Regarding the serious issues with Vista, I have to agree with you. There
    >>> were quite a few "bugs" that got out and Microsoft should have delayed
    >>> the release by 6 months. Hopefully they learned their lesson. If not,
    >>> they will die a slow death.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >> And you'll use Ubuntu, right?
    >>
    >> LOL!
    >>
    >> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > I wouldn't go that far. I will continue to use Windows software while I am
    > employed. I have 8 years to go before retirement and alot can happen in 8
    > years.
    >
    >
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    When you're retired, you also plan to retire from using computers?

    Alias
     
    Alias, Jun 17, 2009
    #46
  8. William Yanaire, ESQ

    William Yanaire, ESQ Guest

    "Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
    news:h1b8ai$l2j$2@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > William Yanaire, ESQ wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> "Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:h1b6h5$6ru$2@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> William Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
    >>>> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:hh5i359gvgho8sb6d65ul6vajecluvj38m@4ax.com...
    >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:39:07 -0700, "William Yanaire, ESQ"
    >>>>> <william@yanaire.com> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> I disagree with you statement about releasing software with known
    >>>>>> bugs.
    >>>>>> Depends on the severity of the bugs and the timeline for release.
    >>>>>> Software
    >>>>>> is complicated and some bugs are not discovered until late in the
    >>>>>> development cycle. Therefore it is impossible and impractical to
    >>>>>> relase
    >>>>>> software without bugs.
    >>>>> Perhaps you release with some known operational issues. You never
    >>>>> release with bugs that are known to affect the experience of a large
    >>>>> number of users. For example, Vista's serious problems with network
    >>>>> connectivity and I/O problems were well known to MS - but they
    >>>>> released anyway. Again, 10,000 KNOWN bugs. That's unprecedented.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> By the way, if you do get support from Microsoft and the bug is
    >>>>>> proven to be
    >>>>>> theirs, the cost of your support issue then becomes free.
    >>>>> And try to prove it.
    >>>>>
    >>>> Been there. Done that. I have proven it and I have been credited the
    >>>> money spent for a support call. More than once.
    >>>>
    >>>> Regarding the serious issues with Vista, I have to agree with you.
    >>>> There were quite a few "bugs" that got out and Microsoft should have
    >>>> delayed the release by 6 months. Hopefully they learned their lesson.
    >>>> If not, they will die a slow death.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> And you'll use Ubuntu, right?
    >>>
    >>> LOL!
    >>>
    >>> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> I wouldn't go that far. I will continue to use Windows software while I
    >> am employed. I have 8 years to go before retirement and alot can happen
    >> in 8 years.
    >>
    >>
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > When you're retired, you also plan to retire from using computers?
    >
    > Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    No but when it's time to buy a new computer and if Windows 2017 is any good
    then I'll use it because it will come with the computer. There will
    probably be no need to use Linux, but if I do choose to use Linux I am sure
    all I'll be doing then is e-mail, arguing with you if you are still alive,
    and using some kind of Photoshop program for my digital photography.
     
    William Yanaire, ESQ, Jun 17, 2009
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