I just found out Symantec is really aggressive

Frank <fb@fuk.you> wrote in news:4a36d79c@news.x-privat.org:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> I think you are a liar also. I don't think Frank is crazy or
>>> disgusting. Frank is just trying to clean up this place of all the
>>> trolls and other desirables. Got it?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> No, I don't get it.
>>
>> If he's trying to clean this group of all the undesirable's, then why
>> are you still here ?
>>
>> And, you don't think Frank is crazy because you are in love with her.
>> You and all your other personalities.......
>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Ahhh...now you're desperate so you've joined the real sickie's huh
> dan-o? Figures!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Uh, sickie's ? No. What you write is sick.

You call me a sickie because I can recognize love between two consenting
adults ?

 

Frank <fb@fuk.you> wrote in news:4a36d369@news.x-privat.org:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Yet there are a dozen
>>>> people, or more, here that think you're a crazy, disgusting loon.
>>> Really?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Yes, really. Maybe not in your little delusional world where you are
>> the ruler along side you little nymshifting jester....
>>
>> But in reality....yes.
>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> Your reality? Sorry but that's not real.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Nor is Alias having s*x with farm animals, but that is what you claim.

I'm sure he doesn't suck c*ck, as you claim.

He's probably not wanted here, as you claim.

He doesn't rip pepole off by selling them free software, as you claim.

So who's the liar here ?

It's Frank. (That would be you...dipsh*t.)

 

DanS wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in
> news:Q5zZl.13359$im1.88@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9C2BA57E69BB6thisnthatroadrunnern@85.214.105.209...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Frank <fb@fuk.you> wrote in news:4a36a8f2$1@news.x-privat.org:
>>>
>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> +Bob+ <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:mr2d35992sk0nm77vt3c2bn5d8fl55khcb@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:18:33 -0700, "Bill Yanaire"
>>>>>> <bill@yanaire.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Typical you would comment on that. Norton is sloppy programming
>>>>>>> at best. Norton is a bloated hog and should not be on any system.
>>>>>> Wait - were you describing Norton, or Windows Vista?
>>>>> I see 'a bloated hog' and 'sloppy' ....so I think that's describing
>>>>> Frank.
>>>> hehehe...seems you've gotten your panties all in bunch ever since
>>>> you proved yourself to be a liar!
>>>> Hahaha...nows that funny!
>>> I've never proven myself to be any type of liar....on the other hand,
>>> time and time again you show what Frank is really all
>>> about......being a filthy a**hole.
>>>
>>> You are the only one here that thinks I am a liar. Yet there are a
>>> dozen people, or more, here that think you're a crazy, disgusting
>>> loon. That's why you've been KF's by most.
>>>
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>> I think you are a liar also. I don't think Frank is crazy or
>> disgusting. Frank is just trying to clean up this place of all the
>> trolls and other desirables. Got it?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> No, I don't get it.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Typical for someone with limited brain activity!

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> If he's trying to clean this group of all the undesirable's, then why are
> you still here ?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Because I have the same Noble cause you IDIOT.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> And, you don't think Frank is crazy because you are in love with her. You
> and all your other personalities.......
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
Sorry. Frank is a man and I am married to a great woman. Oops. What
is your situation? You live in a doublewide in Arkansas with your
cousin/wife with no teeth?

 

Norton AV + PCtools Spyware Doctor are 2 things that have saved my job
TWICE, in one case preventing catastrophic loss due to a Trojan caught thru
work DSL router.
I've never been infected in my entire life, except several times @work where
I could not control environment consisting of people with low computer
knowledge.

My Posting wasn't meant to criticize Norton!
I simply stated the fact if you like myself disable AV & Spyware tools,
BEYOND just turning off their real-time protection (how you totally disable
things should be clear to experienced people, and if note - maybe you
shouldn't disable things you dont know about), and then your Network stops,
you bet... it was Norton who thought it's a good idea to shutoff network to
prevent further downloading/infection/keylogging.
Actually it's a great idea, except it can disturb people who havent beein
"doing" computers fulltime and for many years. It's impossible to guess for
an average person that totally disabling Antivirus can 'remove" your TCP/IP
functionality. In my case it had todo with Symantec Ethernet pre-filter
(?).

Very strange. I finally managed to disable it, yet maintain Network. My
Cable provider claimed I need to replace a modem, these dopes work/get paid
by TimeWarner, while I am looking for work and know better how to fix
things. I even called TimeWarner again and told them what I think about
replacing a modem.
They sdhould replace their Techs as I was on IP-based phone while talking to
them, I mentioned this fact but Tech being a dope doesn't take into account
a bad modem would not let me talk on IP-based phone! Hello! And he gets
paid for "solving" my problem, which I solved by myself several hours later.

 

where di you see I 'deleted" something, I am getting tired of people not
recognizing the fact I've repeated many times.
I am NOT the kind to be taught. I've been teaching others for several years
ago, I know computers better than women unfortunately.

It wasn't deleting. I was disabling in Windows Services applet + MSconfig +
threatfire + realtime protection.
I am nto deleting in a way that would indicate someone was born yesterday
and doesn't know how to uninstall things, uninstalling is not the purpose.
Temporary disabling was the pyrpose, and look it kjilled my network... crazy
Norton

 

Frank wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Alias wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Frank wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:h15rsv$pku$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> Mr. Jon Pope wrote:
>>>>>>> One time I installed Norton 360 and within 1 week it had told me
>>>>>>> that Microsoft Vista was a virus.
>>>>>> At last Norton 360 gets something right!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> Typical you would comment on that. Norton is sloppy programming at
>>>>> best. Norton is a bloated hog and should not be on any system.
>>>>
>>>> So is Vista.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntu shouldn't be on any system either as it's an INFERIOR OS
>>>>> written by geeks for geeks.
>>>>
>>>> Liar.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> This is yet another example of your lying, spamming and linux trolling.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> No, it's an example of the facts.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Liar!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Sorry, pal, but your say so means absolutely nothing and I stand by the
facts I posted.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> Snip third grade drivel.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Snip yourself...cause your all 'drivel".<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Once again Frank trots out his third grade "I know you are but what am
I?" tactic. You're so unimaginative, Frank. You're Mr. Cliché.

Alias<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

JEWboy wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> where di you see I 'deleted" something, I am getting tired of people not
> recognizing the fact I've repeated many times.
> I am NOT the kind to be taught. I've been teaching others for several
> years ago, I know computers better than women unfortunately.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I am sure you know computers better than women. What woman would want
to be with a complete douche bag like yourself? I suggest getting a
latex girlfriend who can't talk back.

You are also correct in your statement about being taught. You are not
smart enough!!!

 

JEWboy wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Norton AV + PCtools Spyware Doctor are 2 things that have saved my job
> TWICE, in one case preventing catastrophic loss due to a Trojan caught
> thru work DSL router.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I didn't know they had a DSL router at Jack-In-The-Box. Damn, you learn
something new every day.

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> I've never been infected in my entire life, except several times @work
> where I could not control environment consisting of people with low
> computer knowledge.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

You are correct. People working at Jack-In-The-Box usually don't have
the greatest computer skills. That is why they are working at
Jack-In-The-Box along with yourself.

Keep trying to study and maybe within a year or two, you might be
promoted to work the register.

 

"Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h17o42$nkg$3@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Once again Frank trots out his third grade "I know you are but what am I?"
> tactic. You're so unimaginative, Frank. You're Mr. Cliché.
>
> Alias<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Once again Alias provides noise to the Vista group, arguing with everyone
about that INFERIOR Ubuntu that NOBODY wants because it is a piece of crap.

Remember, Ubuntu has been free for years and still is on less than one
percent of the desktops out there. That should tell you all you need to
know about that CRAPOLA.

 

Bill Yanaire wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h17o42$nkg$3@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Once again Frank trots out his third grade "I know you are but what am I?"
>> tactic. You're so unimaginative, Frank. You're Mr. Cliché.
>>
>> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Once again Alias provides noise to the Vista group, arguing with everyone
> about that INFERIOR Ubuntu that NOBODY wants because it is a piece of crap.
>
> Remember, Ubuntu has been free for years and still is on less than one
> percent of the desktops out there. That should tell you all you need to
> know about that CRAPOLA.
>
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

You posts tell us what a liar you are. They also show your desperation
because you not only lie about that but much more.

Alias

 

"Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h18b02$90t$3@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Bill Yanaire wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:h17o42$nkg$3@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Once again Frank trots out his third grade "I know you are but what am
>>> I?" tactic. You're so unimaginative, Frank. You're Mr. Cliché.
>>>
>>> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Once again Alias provides noise to the Vista group, arguing with everyone
>> about that INFERIOR Ubuntu that NOBODY wants because it is a piece of
>> crap.
>>
>> Remember, Ubuntu has been free for years and still is on less than one
>> percent of the desktops out there. That should tell you all you need to
>> know about that CRAPOLA.
>>
>>
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> You posts tell us what a liar you are. They also show your desperation
> because you not only lie about that but much more.
>
> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

So Ubuntu being on less than one percent of the desktops after all these
years doesn't tell you anything? Come on now. If the product was that
good, word would spread incredibly fast, millions upon millions would
install Ubuntu and Microsoft would die a slow death. It just isn't
happening and you can't accept that fact.

Nobody can change your mind because you are stubborn.

 

Bill Yanaire wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h18b02$90t$3@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Bill Yanaire wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> "Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h17o42$nkg$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Once again Frank trots out his third grade "I know you are but what am
>>>> I?" tactic. You're so unimaginative, Frank. You're Mr. Cliché.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>> Once again Alias provides noise to the Vista group, arguing with everyone
>>> about that INFERIOR Ubuntu that NOBODY wants because it is a piece of
>>> crap.
>>>
>>> Remember, Ubuntu has been free for years and still is on less than one
>>> percent of the desktops out there. That should tell you all you need to
>>> know about that CRAPOLA.
>>>
>>>
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>> You posts tell us what a liar you are. They also show your desperation
>> because you not only lie about that but much more.
>>
>> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> So Ubuntu being on less than one percent of the desktops after all these
> years doesn't tell you anything? Come on now. If the product was that
> good, word would spread incredibly fast, millions upon millions would
> install Ubuntu and Microsoft would die a slow death. It just isn't
> happening and you can't accept that fact.
>
> Nobody can change your mind because you are stubborn.
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

The reason that Ubuntu is not widespread has to do with the FUD that you
and others like you spew: that it's only for geeks. I used to believe
this FUD until I took it for a test drive and was surprised to learn it
worked out of the box and was actually easier to use than Windows.
Another reason is that OEMs like HP and Dell preinstall Windows on
machines and don't really give the customer a choice or even explain
that there is a choice.

Ubuntu is spreading faster than you think and you will not be able to
spout the one percent crap much longer. I am sure if the USA was taken
out of the picture, Ubuntu would have a much higher market share
because, after all, half the population of the USA loves Bush, Palin and
Cheney which doesn't show much intelligence.

Alias

 

"Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h18bu9$i27$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> The reason that Ubuntu is not widespread has to do with the FUD that you
> and others like you spew: that it's only for geeks. I used to believe this
> FUD until I took it for a test drive and was surprised to learn it worked
> out of the box and was actually easier to use than Windows. Another reason
> is that OEMs like HP and Dell preinstall Windows on machines and don't
> really give the customer a choice or even explain that there is a choice.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

The reason OEMs install Windows is because it works. Are there problems?
Of course there are but for the most part Windows works. There will always
be people who don't pay attention and damage their systems, getting viruses
and screwing up their PCs but Ubuntu is just a toy for most people.

Ubuntu and Open Source has a long way to go to be accepted in mainstream
arenas and until major changes are made, Ubuntu and Open Source will always
be on the sidelines.

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> Ubuntu is spreading faster than you think and you will not be able to
> spout the one percent crap much longer. I am sure if the USA was taken out
> of the picture, Ubuntu would have a much higher market share because,
> after all, half the population of the USA loves Bush, Palin and Cheney
> which doesn't show much intelligence.
>
> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Ubuntu may be spreading but not very much. You might see two percent within
3 or 4 years but with the new Windows 7 coming out and Microsoft did an
excellent job with it so far, I think Linux will still be just a blip on the
radar.

I do not use Vista on my development boxes because Microsoft really made
some major mistakes. Now that they fixed those problems with Windows 7, you
will see that MS will just get stronger.

They are slow but they learn.

 

Bill Yanaire wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h18bu9$i27$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> The reason that Ubuntu is not widespread has to do with the FUD that you
>> and others like you spew: that it's only for geeks. I used to believe this
>> FUD until I took it for a test drive and was surprised to learn it worked
>> out of the box and was actually easier to use than Windows. Another reason
>> is that OEMs like HP and Dell preinstall Windows on machines and don't
>> really give the customer a choice or even explain that there is a choice.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> The reason OEMs install Windows is because it works. Are there problems?
> Of course there are but for the most part Windows works. There will always
> be people who don't pay attention and damage their systems, getting viruses
> and screwing up their PCs but Ubuntu is just a toy for most people.
>
> Ubuntu and Open Source has a long way to go to be accepted in mainstream
> arenas and until major changes are made, Ubuntu and Open Source will always
> be on the sidelines.
>
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Ubuntu is spreading faster than you think and you will not be able to
>> spout the one percent crap much longer. I am sure if the USA was taken out
>> of the picture, Ubuntu would have a much higher market share because,
>> after all, half the population of the USA loves Bush, Palin and Cheney
>> which doesn't show much intelligence.
>>
>> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Ubuntu may be spreading but not very much. You might see two percent within
> 3 or 4 years but with the new Windows 7 coming out and Microsoft did an
> excellent job with it so far, I think Linux will still be just a blip on the
> radar.
>
> I do not use Vista on my development boxes because Microsoft really made
> some major mistakes. Now that they fixed those problems with Windows 7, you
> will see that MS will just get stronger.
>
> They are slow but they learn.
>
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Time will tell, then, won't it? I think Microsoft's reputation is at an
all time low. You can't accuse your paying customers of theft until the
prove otherwise with WPA and the myriads of WGA flavors and expect to
keep a good rep. People are sick and tired of having to pay someone to
clean their machines of malware. They're sick and tired of BSODs.

I expect the USA will be last country to adopt Linux in any significant
numbers due to the large amount of Sarah Palin like people that live there.

Alias

 

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:58:15 +0200, Alias <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com>
wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>Ubuntu would have a much higher market share
>because, after all, half the population of the USA loves Bush, Palin and
>Cheney which doesn't show much intelligence.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Used to be half. It's down to 20%, at least for Bush and Cheney. But,
you are correct that there are easily brainwashable dopes here who
will swallow anything that they are told if it's repeated enough time.
After all, they bought the WMD story, despite all evidence to the
contrary. They bought the rumor that Saddaam was tied to 911, despite
serious evidence to the contrary. They buy that Mitt Romney is a
conservative, despite all evidence to the contrary. outright.

It's really a remarkable phenomenon when examined. They don't want to
read and ascertain actual facts, they take what they hear as rumor or
that someone with an agenda tells them and believe it as fact.
However, I don't think it's limited to the USA. People worldwide are
only too ready to believe what they want to believe or what sells well
at the water cooler.

 

Alias wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Bill Yanaire wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "Alias" <iamaliasNUK3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:h18bu9$i27$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> The reason that Ubuntu is not widespread has to do with the FUD that
>>> you and others like you spew: that it's only for geeks. I used to
>>> believe this FUD until I took it for a test drive and was surprised
>>> to learn it worked out of the box and was actually easier to use than
>>> Windows. Another reason is that OEMs like HP and Dell preinstall
>>> Windows on machines and don't really give the customer a choice or
>>> even explain that there is a choice.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> The reason OEMs install Windows is because it works. Are there
>> problems? Of course there are but for the most part Windows works.
>> There will always be people who don't pay attention and damage their
>> systems, getting viruses and screwing up their PCs but Ubuntu is just
>> a toy for most people.
>>
>> Ubuntu and Open Source has a long way to go to be accepted in
>> mainstream arenas and until major changes are made, Ubuntu and Open
>> Source will always be on the sidelines.
>>
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Ubuntu is spreading faster than you think and you will not be able to
>>> spout the one percent crap much longer. I am sure if the USA was
>>> taken out of the picture, Ubuntu would have a much higher market
>>> share because, after all, half the population of the USA loves Bush,
>>> Palin and Cheney which doesn't show much intelligence.
>>>
>>> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Ubuntu may be spreading but not very much. You might see two percent
>> within 3 or 4 years but with the new Windows 7 coming out and
>> Microsoft did an excellent job with it so far, I think Linux will
>> still be just a blip on the radar.
>>
>> I do not use Vista on my development boxes because Microsoft really
>> made some major mistakes. Now that they fixed those problems with
>> Windows 7, you will see that MS will just get stronger.
>>
>> They are slow but they learn.
>>
>>
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Time will tell, then, won't it? I think Microsoft's reputation is at an
> all time low. You can't accuse your paying customers of theft until the
> prove otherwise with WPA and the myriads of WGA flavors and expect to
> keep a good rep.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

They don't do that. Only those who pirate software are pissed off at WPA
& WGA.

People are sick and tired of having to pay someone to<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> clean their machines of malware.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Ahhhh...telling people that the "cookies" on their computers are
malware, and charging them money to remove them is cheap thieving trick
you and others practice on the unsuspecting.

They're sick and tired of BSODs.

I can't remember the last time I saw a BSOD...maybe with W 98?<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> I expect the USA will be last country to adopt Linux in any significant
> numbers due to the large amount of Sarah Palin like people that live there.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

What a stupid irrelevant statement that is.
But considering the source...it's expected.

I guess you failed to notice that you are constantly defending yourself
against your lies in here.
Guess what sport, we've all noticed that you do that on a daily basis.
So who is it that you think you're fooling...other than yourself?
Well chum...?
Oh never mind, we all know you'll just lie about your lies like the liar
you are.

 

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:07:18 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com>
wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
>I do not use Vista on my development boxes because Microsoft really made
>some major mistakes. Now that they fixed those problems with Windows 7, you
>will see that MS will just get stronger.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

So now they will charge people for a fix to a product they never
should have released. Nice work if you can get it.

 

"+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
news:1vgf35th529mmm4lmop0v31abcronsuqc3@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:07:18 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com>
> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>>I do not use Vista on my development boxes because Microsoft really made
>>some major mistakes. Now that they fixed those problems with Windows 7,
>>you
>>will see that MS will just get stronger.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> So now they will charge people for a fix to a product they never
> should have released. Nice work if you can get it.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

You must not understand software. There are always bugs in software,
especially Operating Systems. That is one thing I dislike about Microsoft
is charging for support when it's their issue, but there are times when it's
user error.

MS should be more liberal with support for Vista but they aren't. That's
life and why this newsgroup exists.

 

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:24:05 -0700, "Bill Yanaire, ESQ"
<bill@yanaire.com> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>You must not understand software. There are always bugs in software,
>especially Operating Systems. That is one thing I dislike about Microsoft
>is charging for support when it's their issue, but there are times when it's
>user error.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I understand software just fine. I worked in software for years. I
worked with business software engineers, OS and core application
software engineers, and firmware (hardware support) engineers.

Never did any of them ever knowingly release software that contained
bugs. To do so would be irresponsible and grounds for dismissal. MS,
OTOH, releases software with documented bug reports in hand (10K AFAIR
for Win 2000; it's gotten worse in later releases).

There will always be "bugs" in realistic application and OS
programming that will be discovered after release. That's expected and
acceptable. MS should fix those without question or cost for support.
But, releasing software with known bugs? That's unacceptable most
everywhere except at MS.

 

+Bob+ <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in
news:comg359ns91qf3dji67cgoakt1gjiidsd7@4ax.com:
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> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:24:05 -0700, "Bill Yanaire, ESQ"
> <bill@yanaire.com> wrote:
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>>You must not understand software. There are always bugs in software,
>>especially Operating Systems. That is one thing I dislike about
>>Microsoft is charging for support when it's their issue, but there are
>>times when it's user error.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> I understand software just fine. I worked in software for years. I
> worked with business software engineers, OS and core application
> software engineers, and firmware (hardware support) engineers.
>
> Never did any of them ever knowingly release software that contained
> bugs. To do so would be irresponsible and grounds for dismissal. MS,
> OTOH, releases software with documented bug reports in hand (10K AFAIR
> for Win 2000; it's gotten worse in later releases).
>
> There will always be "bugs" in realistic application and OS
> programming that will be discovered after release. That's expected and
> acceptable. MS should fix those without question or cost for support.
> But, releasing software with known bugs? That's unacceptable most
> everywhere except at MS.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

If you read almost any file accompanying a release entitled
"ReleaseNotes.txt" or what have you, you'll typically see a sectioned
titled "Known Issues", so it's quite commonplace for developers to
release s/w with known bugs.