How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating text?

I have a problem with Vista's Speech Recognition. It hears all my
commands fine, but whenever I am in a document or text input box and I
want to dictate text to it, it just thinks I am telling it a new
command. It doesn't type any of the text I dictate to it, it just opens
up Spider Solitaire or starts scrolling down or doing whatever it thinks
I've told it to do. For example if I dictate "hello" it thinks I've told
it to scroll down the page, instead of just typing "hello" in the text
field like it's supposed to do.

I thought you could automatically just begin dictating but that doesn't
seem to be the case for me.
Does anyone else have this problem? How did you fix it? How do you get
Vista Speech Recognition to realize you are dictating to it rather than
giving it commands? Thanks.

For example, if I am in a text box, when I say "comma" it's supposed to
type a comma, and if I say "period", it should type a period. But it
doesn't understand me at all when I say these words, while if I say
"control end" or "backspace" everything's fine, it knows these commands;
so I'm thinking something's faulty or missing with the software.


--
zielwolf

 

RE: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

"zielwolf" wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> I have a problem with Vista's Speech Recognition. It hears all my
> commands fine, but whenever I am in a document or text input box and I
> want to dictate text to it, it just thinks I am telling it a new
> command. It doesn't type any of the text I dictate to it, it just opens
> up Spider Solitaire or starts scrolling down or doing whatever it thinks
> I've told it to do. For example if I dictate "hello" it thinks I've told
> it to scroll down the page, instead of just typing "hello" in the text
> field like it's supposed to do.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

What software program are you trying to dictate within? WSR (Windows® Speech
Recognition) only works in standard software programs that follow the TSF
(text services frameworks) guidelines. If you have not already, try dictating
into Microsoft Word and see if it works there.

Also, right-click on the microphone icon in the speech bar. Click on
Options. Then enable, "Enable dictation everywhere."

If all else fails you can add the macro, "Open dictation box," found at:


Issuing the command Open dictation box opens WordPad. You can dictate and
make corrections. When finished dictating, say, "Post dictation," and the
text should be dumped at the cursor position you started from.


<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> I thought you could automatically just begin dictating but that doesn't
> seem to be the case for me.
> Does anyone else have this problem? How did you fix it? How do you get
> Vista Speech Recognition to realize you are dictating to it rather than
> giving it commands?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Dictation into the computer is much different than conversational speech. He
must enunciate every word clearly. In addition, it really helps if you speak
in phrases and not individual words. This is because the software is not only
listening for the sound of each word but is comparing each word to words
around it for context clues. Therefore, you should not say words or commands
in isolation but in terms of a phrase.

Two suggestions that should be able to help you:
1. Read the article, "Getting Started with Windows Speech Recognition," at:

2. Look at the WSRToolkit found at:

This $15.99 toolkit puts 7 additional features at your fingertips. This
includes text and command macros as well as adding words/phrases and parsing
your documents to improve your user training profile's Acoustic Model (how
you sound) as well as the Language Model which adapts to your style of
speaking in terms of the phrases in context you use.

Marty Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.
See us at:

 

RE: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating


Marty Martin Markoe uses many aliases while attacking his
adversaries and advertising his commercial website.


"After tracing this members profile we are embarrassed to find out
that we now know that Mike Tavia is another one of approximately 20
KnowBrainer forum aliases for Martin Markoe of emicrophones who was
banned from this forum for personal attacks. We are not certain why
Martin has felt the need to resort to these types of tactics..."

The malicious spammers from eMicrophones MyMSSpeech stalk, slander,
threaten others, and violate the privacy of innocent people who have
nothing to do with fighting eMicrophones MyMSSpeech spam.

Following are a few examples that illustrate the annoyance and
frustration eMicrophones MyMSSpeech spam from Marty Martin Markoe
causes users seeking help in speech recognition groups and why
advertising is prohibited on the unmoderated USENET except in
specifically labeled groups.

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See also:
eMicrophones, MyMSSpeech
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M.M. <twatface41 yahoo.com>
MartyMarkoeeMicrophonesInc discussions.microsoft.com
mmarkoe gmail.com
mmarkoe yahoo.com
Martin Markoe <martin emicrophones.com>
Martin Markoe <martin speechcontrol.com>
Martin Markoe <mmarkoe optonline.net>
Michael Mendick <michael emicrophones.com>
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"zielwolf" wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> I have a problem with Vista's Speech Recognition. It hears all my
> commands fine, but whenever I am in a document or text input box and I
> want to dictate text to it, it just thinks I am telling it a new
> command. It doesn't type any of the text I dictate to it, it just opens
> up Spider Solitaire or starts scrolling down or doing whatever it thinks
> I've told it to do. For example if I dictate "hello" it thinks I've told
> it to scroll down the page, instead of just typing "hello" in the text
> field like it's supposed to do.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

What software program are you trying to dictate within? WSR (Windows® Speech
Recognition) only works in standard software programs that follow the TSF
(text services frameworks) guidelines. If you have not already, try dictating
into Microsoft Word and see if it works there.

Also, right-click on the microphone icon in the speech bar. Click on
Options. Then enable, "Enable dictation everywhere."

If all else fails you can add the macro, "Open dictation box," found at:


Issuing the command Open dictation box opens WordPad. You can dictate and
make corrections. When finished dictating, say, "Post dictation," and the
text should be dumped at the cursor position you started from.


<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> I thought you could automatically just begin dictating but that doesn't
> seem to be the case for me.
> Does anyone else have this problem? How did you fix it? How do you get
> Vista Speech Recognition to realize you are dictating to it rather than
> giving it commands?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Dictation into the computer is much different than conversational speech. He
must enunciate every word clearly. In addition, it really helps if you speak
in phrases and not individual words. This is because the software is not only
listening for the sound of each word but is comparing each word to words
around it for context clues. Therefore, you should not say words or commands
in isolation but in terms of a phrase.

Two suggestions that should be able to help you:
1. Read the article, "Getting Started with Windows Speech Recognition," at:

2. Look at the WSRToolkit found at:

This $15.99 toolkit puts 7 additional features at your fingertips. This
includes text and command macros as well as adding words/phrases and parsing
your documents to improve your user training profile's Acoustic Model (how
you sound) as well as the Language Model which adapts to your style of
speaking in terms of the phrases in context you use.

Marty Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.
See us at:

 

RE: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictat

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> Marty Martin Markoe uses many aliases while attacking his
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As Mark Bender, aka John Doe, sees himself as an Internet Policeman (should
have a lot of experience as he has been arrested several times) he knows
Usenet is a forum for helping users to answer questions. We have not seen
Mark Bender/John Doe offer help, only useless vitriole.

Marty Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.
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RE: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictat


Marty Martin Markoe and his buddies use many aliases for attacking
their adversaries and for advertising their commercial website.


"After tracing this members profile we are embarrassed to find out
that we now know that Mike Tavia is another one of approximately 20
KnowBrainer forum aliases for Martin Markoe of emicrophones who was
banned from this forum for personal attacks."

An example of Marty & Company masquerading as a lurker on USENET.
?
In fact... that fraud was his only post to USENET and his NNTP
posting host (assigned to optonline.net) matched Marty's buddy
Michael Mendick.

The nym-shifting spammers from eMicrophones MyMSSpeech stalk,
slander, threaten others, and violate the privacy of innocent people
who have nothing to do with fighting eMicrophones MyMSSpeech spam.

Marty Martin Markoe's posting history in (comp.speech.users)
illustrates the annoyance and frustration spam can cause users
seeking help and why advertising is prohibited on the unmoderated
USENET except in specifically labeled groups.

?
"Man you really are full of yourself [Martin]! Just leave me alone...
go away and let me get USEFUL information from someone who will
be honest with me instead of evasive, devisive and insulting!"

See also:
eMicrophones, MyMSSpeech
billyrichbroker yahoo.com
M.M. <twatface41 yahoo.com>
MartyMarkoeeMicrophonesInc discussions.microsoft.com
mmarkoe gmail.com
mmarkoe yahoo.com
Martin Markoe <martin emicrophones.com>
Martin Markoe <martin speechcontrol.com>
Martin Markoe <mmarkoe optonline.net>
Michael Mendick <michael emicrophones.com>
NEWSGROUP DESTROYER <twatface41 yahoo.com>
wbonneau gmail.com
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"John Doe" wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Marty Martin Markoe uses many aliases while attacking his
> adversaries and advertising his commercial website. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

As Mark Bender, aka John Doe, sees himself as an Internet Policeman (should
have a lot of experience as he has been arrested several times) he knows
Usenet is a forum for helping users to answer questions. We have not seen
Mark Bender/John Doe offer help, only useless vitriole.

Marty Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.
See us at:

 

zielwolf <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> I have a problem with Vista's Speech Recognition. It hears all my
> commands fine, but whenever I am in a document or text input box
> and I want to dictate text to it, it just thinks I am telling it a
> new command. It doesn't type any of the text I dictate to it, it
> just opens up Spider Solitaire or starts scrolling down or doing
> whatever it thinks I've told it to do. For example if I dictate
> "hello" it thinks I've told it to scroll down the page, instead of
> just typing "hello" in the text field like it's supposed to do. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

A single word is the most difficult for a stupid computer to
recognize. NaturallySpeaking is good at interpreting single words,
but it also provides keys (I use shift/control) to force either
command or dictation mode. If you are desperate, a workaround might
be to dictate "hello there", then select there, and then delete it.
When dictating a comma, do not pause before saying "comma".

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

(Crossposted, please feel free to remove the other group)

"andy t" <andy57nospam@live.co.uk> wrote: <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wr <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> advertising is prohibited on the unmoderated USENET except in
>> specifically labeled groups <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "unmoderated"? There is no such word. Now if you had said "non
> moderated", then you would have been in the right ballpark. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Dragon Naturally Speaking includes the word "unmoderated" in its
dictionary. Princeton WordNet includes the same word in its
dictionary. The USENET archive produces almost 37,000 hits for
"unmoderated". My text-to-speech pronounces that word just fine. I
believe the meaning is perfectly clear to any English speaker.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> It seems this jerk is as illiterate as he's bum-chum Mark Conrad! <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

If so... Merriam-Webster, Princeton WordNet, and others would not
have included my advertising's sense of the word "save" that means
"spend less".

BY NOW AND SAVE!!!
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> ?
>> "Man you really are full of yourself [Martin]! Just leave me
>> alone... go away and let me get USEFUL information from someone
>> who will be honest with me instead of evasive, devisive and
>> insulting!" <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> "devisive"? There is no such word! If you had put divisive, then
> you would have been right, <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

That is a quote, but I clearly understand the author's expression as
an extension of "devise". The context is great IMO. I like it.

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating



"John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
news:Tzdul.22112$Ws1.19338@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> (Crossposted, please feel free to remove the other group)
>
> "andy t" <andy57nospam@live.co.uk> wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Dragon Naturally Speaking includes the word "unmoderated" in its
> dictionary. Princeton WordNet includes the same word in its
> dictionary. The USENET archive produces almost 37,000 hits for
> "unmoderated". My text-to-speech pronounces that word just fine. I
> believe the meaning is perfectly clear to any English speaker.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

It does not matter what your DNS includes. I have already proved that
speech recognition software be it DNS, WSR or whatever CAN spell incorrectly
nor does it matter where you find your 37,000 hits "unmoderated" is not in
the dictionary, English Encarta or Webster's and if used, would be
considered to be bad grammar and as I explained before, "non moderated"
would be the correct phrase to use in this instance.





<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "devisive"? There is no such word! If you had put divisive, then
>> you would have been right,<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> That is a quote, but I clearly understand the author's expression as
> an extension of "devise". The context is great IMO. I like it.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Just because you like it, does not make it right. Once again as above, it is
NOT in the dictionary and so it is a "non word"






andy t

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

In message <uHaYDO#oJHA.500@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> andy
<andy57nospam@live.co.uk> wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>nor does it matter where you find your 37,000 hits "unmoderated" is not
>in the dictionary, English Encarta or Webster's and if used, would be
>considered to be bad grammar and as I explained before, "non moderated"
>would be the correct phrase to use in this instance.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

You're so completely wrong here it's not even amusing. "The" Dictionary?

"unmoderated" is certainly a word, and its presence or lack thereof in a
specific dictionary is no measure of that state. For one thing,
dictionaries take years to publish, sometime decades. They are slow to
react to new words.

There are two types of mailing lists on my server, moderated and
unmoderated. You don't have to like it, but fortuneately for us, *you*
do not get to decide.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I'll see you and raise:





So, there are three dictionaries that include the word.

And btw, 'unmoderated' has over two MILLION hits, not 37,000.

--
Mickey and Mallory know the difference between right and wrong; the
just don't give a damn.

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:08:57 -0500, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>In message <uHaYDO#oJHA.500@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> andy
><andy57nospam@live.co.uk> wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>nor does it matter where you find your 37,000 hits "unmoderated" is not
>>in the dictionary, English Encarta or Webster's and if used, would be
>>considered to be bad grammar and as I explained before, "non moderated"
>>would be the correct phrase to use in this instance.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>You're so completely wrong here it's not even amusing. "The" Dictionary?
>
>"unmoderated" is certainly a word, and its presence or lack thereof in a
>specific dictionary is no measure of that state. For one thing,
>dictionaries take years to publish, sometime decades. They are slow to
>react to new words.
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
"Un" is what is called a productive prefix - it can be attached to
almost any adjective. Sensible dictionaries, including the OED, make
no attempt to include all words formed in this way (and clearly say so
in the front matter). The idea that something which isn't in "the"
dictionary, or even something which isn't in *any* dictionary, is, for
that reason, "not a word" is utter nonsense.

--
Don Aitken
Mail to the From: address is not read.
To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com"

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:26:33 +0000, Don Aitken wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:08:57 -0500, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>In message <uHaYDO#oJHA.500@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> andy
>><andy57nospam@live.co.uk> wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>nor does it matter where you find your 37,000 hits "unmoderated" is not
>>>in the dictionary, English Encarta or Webster's and if used, would be
>>>considered to be bad grammar and as I explained before, "non moderated"
>>>would be the correct phrase to use in this instance.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>You're so completely wrong here it's not even amusing. "The" Dictionary?
>>
>>"unmoderated" is certainly a word, and its presence or lack thereof in a
>>specific dictionary is no measure of that state. For one thing,
>>dictionaries take years to publish, sometime decades. They are slow to
>>react to new words.
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> "Un" is what is called a productive prefix - it can be attached to
> almost any adjective. Sensible dictionaries, including the OED, make
> no attempt to include all words formed in this way (and clearly say so
> in the front matter). The idea that something which isn't in "the"
> dictionary, or even something which isn't in *any* dictionary, is, for
> that reason, "not a word" is utter nonsense.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Another trick some dictionaries use for 'un' (and other productive
prefixes) is to list a whole lot of words on the bottom margin of the pages
where the prefix fits in the alphabetic sequence. They are not defined
there, since their meanings are considered to be obvious.

My American Heritage Dictionary doesn't do this, but my Random House
Webster's does. In the latter, what I called "margins" above takes on a new
meaning: in the 'un' neighborhood, they take up the bottom 40% or so of the
page

--
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

On Mar 19, 1:26 pm, Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:08:57 -0500, Lewis
>
> <g.kr...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> >In message <uHaYDO#oJHA....@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> andy
> ><andy57nos...@live.co.uk> wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> >>nor does it matter where you find your 37,000 hits "unmoderated" is not
> >>in the dictionary, English Encarta or Webster's and if used, would be
> >>considered to be bad grammar and as I explained before, "non moderated"
> >>would be the correct phrase to use in this instance.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> >You're so completely wrong here it's not even amusing. "The" Dictionary?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> >For one thing,
> >dictionaries take years to publish, sometime decades. They are slow to
> >react to new words.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I do not know where you get your information from but the OED is
updated
QUARTERLY so to say it takes years to update is ridiculous and to say
decades is totally off the radar and utter nonsense! Check the URL
below
and they will tell you how often they update it.



And as in the URL above states the OED is widely acknowledged as the
most
authoritative and comprehensive dictionary of English in the world!

Pretty impressive CV do you not think?

In that case, If a word is not in that Dictionary, it is probably not
there
for a reason!

Perhaps I worded my statement wrongly.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> >"unmoderated" is certainly a word, and its presence or lack thereof in
> >a...<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I will accept "unmoderated" as a word but the reason you will not find
it in
most dictionaries is because "unmoderated" is not recognized as a
"proper"
word within the English vocabulary and is mainly used within the
computer
and Internet world and therefore I repeat once again "unmoderated"
used in
everyday English would be considered "bad grammar", "bad diction" and
"wrong
choice of words" whereas it should be "non unmoderated" or "not
moderated".
The latter ones should and would be used if one was writing a book
say.

You would not find that word in a dictionary specifically for writers
and
editors as proven below: -



If you check out the URL below, it shows there are many various
dictionaries
all pertaining to all kinds of completely different vocabularies and
use of
words.

The Computer and Internet world have a language all of their own and
there
you will find the word unmoderated a factual used and excepted word
such as
an "unmoderated forum" but most people know this as "Internet Jargon"
and a
form of slang. Words from this vocabulary may not be in the Oxford
English
Dictionary for that very reason.



<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Sensible dictionaries, including the OED, make
> no attempt to include all words formed in this way (and clearly say so
> in the front matter). The idea that something which isn't in "the"
> dictionary, or even something which isn't in *any* dictionary, is, for
> that reason, "not a word" is utter nonsense.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

First of all I have never heard of a "sensible dictionary". Either it
is a
dictionary or it is not. Perhaps you can tell me what a "non
sensible"
dictionary is then?

Secondly, if it is not in the "Oxford English Dictionary" then one
could
rightly presume that there is no such word, after all, that is what
the
dictionary is for, to check spellings of words, definitions of words
or if
there IS such a word!

And seeing as most English dictionaries follow by example the OED all
except
perhaps different vocabulary/language dictionaries such as "Merriam
Webster's" which is the North American version which slightly differs
to the
English versions in some way, shape or form mainly spellings differ or
perhaps as I mention elsewhere such as the "Computer Internet
language"
which is considered to be a language all on its own, one could
conclude
there is no such word if specifically looked up and it were not to be
there,
ESPECIALLY if it were in the OED.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Un" is what is called a productive prefix - it can be attached to almost
> any adjective.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Not true! You will find "un" can be used in front of fewer adjectives
than
more. If you think how many adjectives there are in the English
vocabulary,
to suggest it can be used in front of "almost any adjective" is very
naive.

Let me give you an example: -

I like the way you use your phrase "sensible dictionaries", are you
saying
there are "unsensible dictionaries"? Did you see I used "un" in front
of
sensible there?

Now let me see you find that in the dictionary in particular the OED
because
you will not and why? Because it is a "non word" and considered bad
grammar
and proving you can only use "un" in front of SOME selective words to
make a
proper word.

Now you may even find that word in a dictionary but not in the
mainstream
dictionaries because to use it in this form would once again be deemed
bad
grammar.

Let me give you another example: -

Sometimes you can use "un" in front of certain words to make them the
opposite of what they were. For example, "even" to "uneven", in this
case
the word "uneven" we all know has other meanings as well as "evens"
opposite
being "odd". We all know it can also mean "not level" amongst other
definitions.

Having said that -even/uneven - you could not use "unodd" could you?
How
would you know you could not use that expression? Exactly, you would
check
the dictionary and see that it is not there because that is what it is
for.
I know most people with a relatively decent IQ would already know that
"unodd" is a "non word" but I am only using this as an example for
this
exercise.

How this all came about was that "John Doe" boasted in one of his
posts that
he never spelt words wrong. He also mentions he uses "Dragon
Naturally
Speaking Speech Recognition software" all the time and that "it" never
ever
spells incorrectly. I have already proved that it can and it does and
you
have to correct this yourself so it cannot spell that word incorrectly
anymore.

He used the word "Devisive" I merely pointed out that there is no such
word
and perhaps he meant "Divisive" proving that neither he nor his DNS
can
spell that word correctly.

andy t No spam please

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

Peter Duncanson:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> They are working their way through the alphabet, but are some distance
> from "Z" yet.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Specifically, they started at "M" and are now up to "reamy", although
they do update other words out of alphabetical order if they feel they
deserve priority.
--
Mark Brader "I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Toronto Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
msb@vex.net wouldn't have rusted like this." --Greg Goss

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

Mark Brader wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Peter Duncanson:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> They are working their way through the alphabet, but are some
>> distance from "Z" yet.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Specifically, they started at "M" and are now up to "reamy", although
> they do update other words out of alphabetical order if they feel they
> deserve priority.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

And it's quite obvious that some entries haven't been revised since the
First Ed., let alone the Second. I think it's not even a Herculean task,
but a Sisyphean one.

--
Mike.

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

On 26 Mar 2009, Mike Lyle wrote
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Mark Brader wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Peter Duncanson:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> They are working their way through the alphabet, but are some
>>> distance from "Z" yet.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Specifically, they started at "M" and are now up to "reamy",
>> although they do update other words out of alphabetical order
>> if they feel they deserve priority.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> And it's quite obvious that some entries haven't been revised
> since the First Ed., let alone the Second. I think it's not even
> a Herculean task, but a Sisyphean one.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

According to the SFGFE, "Sisyphean" is the origin of calling someone
a "sissy".

--
Cheers, Harvey
Proud membe of the Society for Generating Folk Etymologies

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

HVS wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On 26 Mar 2009, Mike Lyle wrote<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
[...on OED...]<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> And it's quite obvious that some entries haven't been revised
>> since the First Ed., let alone the Second. I think it's not even
>> a Herculean task, but a Sisyphean one.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> According to the SFGFE, "Sisyphean" is the origin of calling someone
> a "sissy".<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Cheers, Harvey
> Proud membe of the Society for Generating Folk Etymologies<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Hmm. The BAAVE holds that, of course before antibiotics, it gave rise to
a medical term "sisyphilis", later abbreviated.

..
Mike,
Honorary Fellow of the British Association for the Advancement of
Vernacular Etymology.

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

On 26 Mar 2009, Mike Lyle wrote
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> HVS wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> On 26 Mar 2009, Mike Lyle wrote<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> [...on OED...]<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>
>>> And it's quite obvious that some entries haven't been revised
>>> since the First Ed., let alone the Second. I think it's not
>>> even a Herculean task, but a Sisyphean one.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> According to the SFGFE, "Sisyphean" is the origin of calling
>> someone a "sissy".<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Cheers, Harvey
>> Proud membe of the Society for Generating Folk Etymologies<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Hmm. The BAAVE holds that, of course before antibiotics, it gave
> rise to a medical term "sisyphilis", later abbreviated.
>
> .
> Mike,
> Honorary Fellow of the British Association for the Advancement
> of Vernacular Etymology. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Ah, yes: "sisyphilitic" -- "referring to one who is fond of
sissies".

Cheers, Harvey, MSFGFE

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

> On Mar 26, 7:04 pm, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Peter Duncanson:<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Mar 26, 7:04 pm, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
> Peter Duncanson:
>
> The fact that the OED is updated quarterly does not mean that nothing in
> it is more than 3 months out of date. Not every entry is updated
> quarterly.
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Why thank you very much Peter on putting me straight on that little
fact, I never would have guessed.

It is plainly obvious that constant updating would be in play, and I
did not suggest anywhere that nothing in it is more than three months
out of date, read my post properly and I mention it is updated every
three months which is a completely different statement.

At the same time, being updated every three months does not
necessarily mean it is 10 years behind, it means it is on going,
things happen a lot more quickly these days as we approach the end of
the first quarter of 2009.



Everything is on going in life, it is called evolution my friend and
nothing stops.

When I first bought the Vista Operating System for my PC, I knew it
would be out-of-date by the time I unwrapped it and with the advent of
windows 7 around the corner, when that comes out, it too will be out
of date by the time people start to use that.

Thanks for pointing that out though Peter, I do not know what I would
have done without you.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Before the days of computer databases and search engines, the only
> way of finding a printed example of a word in use was to read as
> widely as possible.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Yes, but we are not talking about those days are we? You need to move
on a bit Peter, these are the days of the "World Wide Web" where you
can send an e-mail to the other side of the world and it will reach
its destination almost instantly.

BTW, you do not need to put a URL on screen and then copy half of what
is in it out on to the screen also. Considering I have read most of
that URL on the OED already, I got the gist of what you meant.

Did you use to do that at school as well Peter? Copy exactly from a
textbook into an exercise book? I bet you had writer's cramp after
you finished that post of yours you poor soul you LOL!

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Mark Brader "I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
> Toronto Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
> m...@vex.net wouldn't have rusted like this." --Greg Goss<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

LOL! Am I to take above as a slight upon me Mark?

If that is the case let me add to that little anecdote:

"I then realized brass, being a copper alloy became covered in green
verdigris and did not suit its purpose after all.
It was with a stroke of luck I then realized the steel trap was a
Stainless Steel trap in any event.
This was much sturdier than its predecessor and less prone to rust or
scale". --andy t

It seems you all know each other very well within this group like one
big happy family. Thats nice, I am pleased for you all. What a
lovely hobby you have. It must be mind blowing at quiz nights and
even better when you all meet up and go on a bus outing together LOL!

Just out of curiosity, I am intrigued to know which one of you is
"John boy Walton"?

Bye bye ladies, knock yourself out!

andy t No Spam Please.

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

andy t wrote:

[attributions left unaltered]<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> On Mar 26, 7:04 pm, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
>> Peter Duncanson:<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> On Mar 26, 7:04 pm, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
>> Peter Duncanson:
>>
>> The fact that the OED is updated quarterly does not mean that
>> nothing in it is more than 3 months out of date. Not every entry is
>> updated quarterly.
>>
>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Why thank you very much Peter on putting me straight on that little
> fact, I never would have guessed.
>
> It is plainly obvious that constant updating would be in play, and I
> did not suggest anywhere that nothing in it is more than three months
> out of date, read my post properly and I mention it is updated every
> three months which is a completely different statement.
>
> At the same time, being updated every three months does not
> necessarily mean it is 10 years behind, it means it is on going,
> things happen a lot more quickly these days as we approach the end of
> the first quarter of 2009.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I think I mentioned it earlier, but you may be interested to learn that
many entries in OED are over a century out of date.

[...hasty remarks snipped...]

--
Mike.

 

Re: How do I get Vista Speech Recognition to recognize I am dictating

On Mar 27, 10:39 pm, "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk>
wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> andy t wrote:<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> I think I mentioned it earlier, but you may be interested to learn that
> many entries in OED are over a century out of date.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Many entries? Over a hundred years out-of-date?

Please do tell me these words that a hundred years out-of-date?

andy t No Spam Please