Got Vista or Win7? Worry.

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> ZIP <<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

"Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h88hes$dfa$2@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> milt wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> G.R. Barker wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>
>>>>> And you really think people will switch to Ubuntu because of that?
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>> you're responding to a troll. Alias spends all day in here making stupid
>> posts like this spouting off about Ubuntu, constantly. No matter what
>> logic you use, he won't care, he will keep doing it, best thing to do is
>> just killfile his inane drivel.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Translation: Milt has his head in the sand. He also lies because I am not
> here "all day".<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Don't bother, period!
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> Alias <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:22:11 -0400, RAYMOND PISTEY wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> unfortunately ubuntu didn't lose to windows.. it lost most users who
> would use it to APPLE. linux will never have more than the market it has
> now<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

maybe it's true Linux will lose to Apple (I don't know) but if so then
mainly in the US.

my impression is Apple has little presence in Europe and elsewhere. (I
mean as operating system on computers. I don't know how the iphone is
doing in Europe, say.)

should look at some real statistics but I am not sure what is reliable.
going on impressions, I think Linux is expanding significantly elsewhere,
for instance, in Germany.

F.

 

It's just plain easy:

Control Panel > Windows Firewall.

Take the least little bit of interest in computing and it's a no brainer.
'See, unlike on these innumberable and strange Linux distros out there,
blocking a port on Windows is easy. It might be hard to do on Ubuntu, but it
is no further away than the Control Panel on Windows.

Saucy




"Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h86q2s$5l0$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Saucy wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Just block port 445 until the patch comes out - real easy to do with
>> Windows 7's built-in firewall.
>>
>> Saucy<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Easy if you know to do it. Most Windows users don't have a clue as to how
> to access their firewall, much less configure it. Hence, my post and link.
>
> With Ubuntu and a NAT firewall enabled router, no port is open to the
> public.
>
> Alias<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:h860mf$hvt$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> <http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171582/close_to_patch_tuesday_new_flaw_surfaces.html>
>>>
>>> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

INLINE with some cuts:


"Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h88hd1$dfa$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> G.R. Barker wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:h88648$mm1$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> G.R. Barker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:h87ren$br6$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> G.R. Barker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> And you really think people will switch to Ubuntu because of that?
>>>>>
>>>>> People are free to choose and is safety on the Net is a concern and
>>>>> not getting malware to deal with is a concern, hell yes!
>>>>
>>>> I did not once mention that safety was not a concern. I merely asked
>>>> the question 'do you really think people will switch to Ubuntu for the
>>>> reason you posed'. I do not think it will make the slightest bit of
>>>> difference.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> And the reason is safety.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> That does not answer the question I posed and once again you have avoided
>> it.
>>
>> I will try again because I can see you are finding it quite difficult to
>> understand.
>>
>> Do you really think people will switch to Ubuntu because of your cries of
>> worry with Vista and Windows 7?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> If they're smart, they will.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


LOL - Is that the best you can come up with? There's no reason on earth
anyone would even install Ubuntu. If one wanted a Linux distro there are far
better distros out there - for free I might add. But Linux itself sucks.
It's a monolithic kernel OS which makes the device driver situation a major
difficulty. Want a new device? One that it not precompiled into the kernel?
Then recompile the kernel! This major issue might not be a problem for a
static computing project in a laboratory, but it makes for a ridiculous
situation in a general purpose operating system.

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> Your scare tactics do not scare me!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> That's because you're stupid. Fact: Windows is malware prone. Ubuntu is
> not.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


Alias, security by obscurity is just fooling yourself. In case you don't
check industry news, computers running UNIX / Linux are broken into and
hacked all the time. RedHat Linux has an errata list as long as your arm.
Yada yada sure sure when I mention security, Linux is suddenly reduced to
the "just the kernel". But let's face it, the kernel without a software
system doesn't do anything. So as a whole, the Linux system is a weak,
vulnerable and not all that secure, needing constant patching and updating
(and every time a new device comes along, a recompile). Funnily enough, many
/ most Linux distros have no or only crummy patch systems.

Sure, there is more casual "malware" written against Windows desktops. Why
try to exploit Linux desktops - there are hardly any out there.

But these days the malware writers are having to depend almost entirely on
social engineering tactics to get the malware installed. Windows is very
resistive. About the only chance these days that the malware writers have
otherwise is a "zero day", but every OS is vulnerable to that. Anyway, such
a thing hits the news usually same day regardless, enabling us to close the
port we need to etc. etc.

This is not IE 6 in 2002, Alias. Windows is much more secure than it used to
be. Users run with user not administrator privileges unless they give the
system permission to elevate. Internet Explorer 8 runs in a "Protected Mode"
armored sandbox. Nowadays, malware has to ask the user for permission. If it
were Linux instead of Windows, the same people who would say 'Yes" to the
malware are the same who would always run as "root". lol

<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


Don't be sad. Linux might have been a cool-o neat-o idea for the
self-appointed granola crunching hip crowd ex hippies and weak minded
socialist / communist painfully politically correct university and rainbow
coalition types in the early and mid 1990s. But in practice it isn't. It's
even losing market share in the small areas it used to be "ok" for, as now
there are systems replacing it that do better than just "ok". Besides, the
rainbow coalition has moved on. They are sitting pretty in coffee shops with
their Apple laptops running Apple's Mac OSX, not Linux. Let go, man. They've
moved on, so should you. 'Guess living in Spain down by the beach has sort
of left you out of the circuit. Your rainbow coalition and granola crunching
comrades are into laptops and OSX now, Alias.

Saucy

 

Saucy wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> It's just plain easy:
>
> Control Panel > Windows Firewall.
>
> Take the least little bit of interest in computing and it's a no
> brainer. 'See, unlike on these innumberable and strange Linux distros
> out there, blocking a port on Windows is easy. It might be hard to do on
> Ubuntu, but it is no further away than the Control Panel on Windows.
>
> Saucy<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Most computer users don't know they have a firewall and even less know
that they should be blocking a port. Most users are interested in
*using* their computer, not configuring it or learning "no brainer"
[sic] computing. Nice try but no cigar.

With Ubuntu, it isn't necessary but we have Firestarter if one wants to
change the configuration of a port and it's just as easy as Windows. The
difference is with Ubuntu, no need, with Windows, lots and lots of need.

Alias<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
>
>
>
> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h86q2s$5l0$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Saucy wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Just block port 445 until the patch comes out - real easy to do with
>>> Windows 7's built-in firewall.
>>>
>>> Saucy<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Easy if you know to do it. Most Windows users don't have a clue as to
>> how to access their firewall, much less configure it. Hence, my post
>> and link.
>>
>> With Ubuntu and a NAT firewall enabled router, no port is open to the
>> public.
>>
>> Alias<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h860mf$hvt$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> <http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171582/close_to_patch_tuesday_new_flaw_surfaces.html>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

"Saucy" <saucylemon@newsgroup.nospam> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>INLINE with some cuts:<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Don't feed the expatriate troll, doofus.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>"Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

"John Galt" <galtj@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:0i8ia55qa7ohkqdebkue3i1aq4g24l6pp3@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Saucy" <saucylemon@newsgroup.nospam> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>INLINE with some cuts:<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Don't feed the expatriate troll, doofus.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Hope he gets it! <H>.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>"Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Saucy wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> INLINE with some cuts:
>
>
> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h88hd1$dfa$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> G.R. Barker wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h88648$mm1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> G.R. Barker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:h87ren$br6$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> G.R. Barker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you really think people will switch to Ubuntu because of that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People are free to choose and is safety on the Net is a concern
>>>>>> and not getting malware to deal with is a concern, hell yes!
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not once mention that safety was not a concern. I merely
>>>>> asked the question 'do you really think people will switch to
>>>>> Ubuntu for the reason you posed'. I do not think it will make the
>>>>> slightest bit of difference.
>>>
>>>> And the reason is safety.
>>>
>>> That does not answer the question I posed and once again you have
>>> avoided it.
>>>
>>> I will try again because I can see you are finding it quite difficult
>>> to understand.
>>>
>>> Do you really think people will switch to Ubuntu because of your
>>> cries of worry with Vista and Windows 7?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> If they're smart, they will.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> LOL - Is that the best you can come up with? There's no reason on earth
> anyone would even install Ubuntu. If one wanted a Linux distro there are
> far better distros out there - for free I might add. But Linux itself
> sucks. It's a monolithic kernel OS which makes the device driver
> situation a major difficulty. Want a new device? One that it not
> precompiled into the kernel? Then recompile the kernel! This major issue
> might not be a problem for a static computing project in a laboratory,
> but it makes for a ridiculous situation in a general purpose operating
> system.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

You're entitled to you FUD based erroneous opinion.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>
>>> Your scare tactics do not scare me!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> That's because you're stupid. Fact: Windows is malware prone. Ubuntu
>> is not.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> Alias, security by obscurity is just fooling yourself. In case you don't
> check industry news, computers running UNIX / Linux are broken into and
> hacked all the time. RedHat Linux has an errata list as long as your
> arm. Yada yada sure sure when I mention security, Linux is suddenly
> reduced to the "just the kernel". But let's face it, the kernel without
> a software system doesn't do anything. So as a whole, the Linux system
> is a weak, vulnerable and not all that secure, needing constant patching
> and updating (and every time a new device comes along, a recompile).
> Funnily enough, many / most Linux distros have no or only crummy patch
> systems.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


You're entitled to you FUD based erroneous opinion.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> Sure, there is more casual "malware" written against Windows desktops.
> Why try to exploit Linux desktops - there are hardly any out there.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Over ten million is not "hardly any" and many enlightened governments
are using Linux.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> But these days the malware writers are having to depend almost entirely
> on social engineering tactics to get the malware installed. Windows is
> very resistive. About the only chance these days that the malware
> writers have otherwise is a "zero day", but every OS is vulnerable to
> that. Anyway, such a thing hits the news usually same day regardless,
> enabling us to close the port we need to etc. etc.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


You're entitled to you FUD based erroneous opinion.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> This is not IE 6 in 2002, Alias. Windows is much more secure than it
> used to be.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Har, har, har, pull the other one, it has bells on it.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Users run with user not administrator privileges unless they
> give the system permission to elevate. Internet Explorer 8 runs in a
> "Protected Mode" armored sandbox. Nowadays, malware has to ask the user
> for permission. If it were Linux instead of Windows, the same people who
> would say 'Yes" to the malware are the same who would always run as
> "root". lol<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


You're entitled to you FUD based erroneous opinion.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> Don't be sad. Linux might have been a cool-o neat-o idea for the
> self-appointed granola crunching hip crowd ex hippies and weak minded
> socialist / communist painfully politically correct university and
> rainbow coalition types in the early and mid 1990s. But in practice it
> isn't. It's even losing market share in the small areas it used to be
> "ok" for, as now there are systems replacing it that do better than just
> "ok". Besides, the rainbow coalition has moved on. They are sitting
> pretty in coffee shops with their Apple laptops running Apple's Mac OSX,
> not Linux. Let go, man. They've moved on, so should you. 'Guess living
> in Spain down by the beach has sort of left you out of the circuit. Your
> rainbow coalition and granola crunching comrades are into laptops and
> OSX now, Alias.
>
> Saucy<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Now you're revealing your bias and prejudice and, of course, how
completely clueless you are.

Alias

 

webster72n wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
>
> "John Galt" <galtj@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0i8ia55qa7ohkqdebkue3i1aq4g24l6pp3@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "Saucy" <saucylemon@newsgroup.nospam> wrote:
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> INLINE with some cuts:<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Don't feed the expatriate troll, doofus.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Hope he gets it! <H>.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

"Saucy" is a she and a very clueless, bigoted and biased she.

Alias<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Alias wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Saucy wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> INLINE with some cuts:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:h88hd1$dfa$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> G.R. Barker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:h88648$mm1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> G.R. Barker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:h87ren$br6$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> G.R. Barker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you really think people will switch to Ubuntu because of that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People are free to choose and is safety on the Net is a concern
>>>>>>> and not getting malware to deal with is a concern, hell yes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not once mention that safety was not a concern. I merely
>>>>>> asked the question 'do you really think people will switch to
>>>>>> Ubuntu for the reason you posed'. I do not think it will make the
>>>>>> slightest bit of difference.
>>>>
>>>>> And the reason is safety.
>>>>
>>>> That does not answer the question I posed and once again you have
>>>> avoided it.
>>>>
>>>> I will try again because I can see you are finding it quite
>>>> difficult to understand.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really think people will switch to Ubuntu because of your
>>>> cries of worry with Vista and Windows 7?
>>>
>>> If they're smart, they will.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>> LOL - Is that the best you can come up with? There's no reason on
>> earth anyone would even install Ubuntu. If one wanted a Linux distro
>> there are far better distros out there - for free I might add. But
>> Linux itself sucks. It's a monolithic kernel OS which makes the device
>> driver situation a major difficulty. Want a new device? One that it
>> not precompiled into the kernel? Then recompile the kernel! This major
>> issue might not be a problem for a static computing project in a
>> laboratory, but it makes for a ridiculous situation in a general
>> purpose operating system.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> You're entitled to you FUD based erroneous opinion.
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your scare tactics do not scare me!
>>>
>>> That's because you're stupid. Fact: Windows is malware prone. Ubuntu
>>> is not.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>> Alias, security by obscurity is just fooling yourself. In case you
>> don't check industry news, computers running UNIX / Linux are broken
>> into and hacked all the time. RedHat Linux has an errata list as long
>> as your arm. Yada yada sure sure when I mention security, Linux is
>> suddenly reduced to the "just the kernel". But let's face it, the
>> kernel without a software system doesn't do anything. So as a whole,
>> the Linux system is a weak, vulnerable and not all that secure,
>> needing constant patching and updating (and every time a new device
>> comes along, a recompile). Funnily enough, many / most Linux distros
>> have no or only crummy patch systems.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> You're entitled to you FUD based erroneous opinion.
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> Sure, there is more casual "malware" written against Windows desktops.
>> Why try to exploit Linux desktops - there are hardly any out there.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Over ten million is not "hardly any" and many enlightened governments
> are using Linux.
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> But these days the malware writers are having to depend almost
>> entirely on social engineering tactics to get the malware installed.
>> Windows is very resistive. About the only chance these days that the
>> malware writers have otherwise is a "zero day", but every OS is
>> vulnerable to that. Anyway, such a thing hits the news usually same
>> day regardless, enabling us to close the port we need to etc. etc.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> You're entitled to you FUD based erroneous opinion.
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> This is not IE 6 in 2002, Alias. Windows is much more secure than it
>> used to be.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Har, har, har, pull the other one, it has bells on it.
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Users run with user not administrator privileges unless they give the
>> system permission to elevate. Internet Explorer 8 runs in a "Protected
>> Mode" armored sandbox. Nowadays, malware has to ask the user for
>> permission. If it were Linux instead of Windows, the same people who
>> would say 'Yes" to the malware are the same who would always run as
>> "root". lol<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> You're entitled to you FUD based erroneous opinion.
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>> Don't be sad. Linux might have been a cool-o neat-o idea for the
>> self-appointed granola crunching hip crowd ex hippies and weak minded
>> socialist / communist painfully politically correct university and
>> rainbow coalition types in the early and mid 1990s. But in practice it
>> isn't. It's even losing market share in the small areas it used to be
>> "ok" for, as now there are systems replacing it that do better than
>> just "ok". Besides, the rainbow coalition has moved on. They are
>> sitting pretty in coffee shops with their Apple laptops running
>> Apple's Mac OSX, not Linux. Let go, man. They've moved on, so should
>> you. 'Guess living in Spain down by the beach has sort of left you out
>> of the circuit. Your rainbow coalition and granola crunching comrades
>> are into laptops and OSX now, Alias.
>>
>> Saucy<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Now you're revealing your bias and prejudice and, of course, how
> completely clueless you are.
>
> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

That is all you can come up with? What an idiot. You are clueless 100%.

 

Alias wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Bill Yanaire wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Alias wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> webster72n wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Galt" <galtj@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:0i8ia55qa7ohkqdebkue3i1aq4g24l6pp3@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> "Saucy" <saucylemon@newsgroup.nospam> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> INLINE with some cuts:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't feed the expatriate troll, doofus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope he gets it! <H>.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Saucy" is a she and a very clueless, bigoted and biased she.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I thought she created a truthful post about the failings of
>>>> Ubuntu/Linux
>>>
>>> You would agree with her FUD because you post the same crap.
>>>
>>>> which you don't like, nor can you refute.
>>>
>>> It's been refuted countless times.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Prove it. If she is lying, why don't you call her on them? You
>> can't. End of story.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> No time to fool around with trolls like you and her today. Search Google
> Groups if you want to reread the rebuts.
>
> Alias<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Liar. You have plenty of time to fool around. You are a troll and are trolling. So if you
say you don't have time to refute her claims, you are lying. You just don't have the smarts to
do so. No wonder, you use Ubuntu.

You say you want to get people to use that INFERIOR OS Ubuntu, why not go where the people
would love to hear your twisted message? How about taking some of that imaginary $14k a week
you claim to get from the tooth fairy and take a trip to some of the poor nations of Africa and
pass out Ubuntu CDs to the masses?

That would be a better use of your time than trolling here. Just think, if you passed out
10,000 CDs, you may get 3 or 4 people to try Ubuntu.

HA HA HA HA.

 

Since Control Panel on Windows is too much for most users, switching to root
and configuring firewalls with Firestarter would be way beyond, wouldn't it?
Yeah, it would be, especially when they probably don't remember their root
password .. oh wait .. they probably are already running as root - no
problem then! LOL

Where does one find the Firestarter executable anyway, at
/user/bin/binary/bin/%username%/devconfig/config/firestar.bin ?? LOL

Saucy


"Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h8b3ra$fk2$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Saucy wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> It's just plain easy:
>>
>> Control Panel > Windows Firewall.
>>
>> Take the least little bit of interest in computing and it's a no brainer.
>> 'See, unlike on these innumberable and strange Linux distros out there,
>> blocking a port on Windows is easy. It might be hard to do on Ubuntu, but
>> it is no further away than the Control Panel on Windows.
>>
>> Saucy<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Most computer users don't know they have a firewall and even less know
> that they should be blocking a port. Most users are interested in *using*
> their computer, not configuring it or learning "no brainer" [sic]
> computing. Nice try but no cigar.
>
> With Ubuntu, it isn't necessary but we have Firestarter if one wants to
> change the configuration of a port and it's just as easy as Windows. The
> difference is with Ubuntu, no need, with Windows, lots and lots of need.
>
> Alias<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:h86q2s$5l0$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Saucy wrote:
>>>> Just block port 445 until the patch comes out - real easy to do with
>>>> Windows 7's built-in firewall.
>>>>
>>>> Saucy
>>>
>>> Easy if you know to do it. Most Windows users don't have a clue as to
>>> how to access their firewall, much less configure it. Hence, my post and
>>> link.
>>>
>>> With Ubuntu and a NAT firewall enabled router, no port is open to the
>>> public.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:h860mf$hvt$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> <http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171582/close_to_patch_tuesday_new_flaw_surfaces.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

"Saucy" <saucylemon@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:uUJXETkMKHA.4964@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Since Control Panel on Windows is too much for most users, switching to
> root and configuring firewalls with Firestarter would be way beyond,
> wouldn't it? Yeah, it would be, especially when they probably don't
> remember their root password .. oh wait .. they probably are already
> running as root - no problem then! LOL
>
> Where does one find the Firestarter executable anyway, at
> /user/bin/binary/bin/%username%/devconfig/config/firestar.bin ?? LOL
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

As you have NO idea how modern distributions work, please refrain from inane
comments....

thank you.

 

Gordon wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> "Saucy" <saucylemon@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
> news:uUJXETkMKHA.4964@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Since Control Panel on Windows is too much for most users, switching
>> to root and configuring firewalls with Firestarter would be way
>> beyond, wouldn't it? Yeah, it would be, especially when they probably
>> don't remember their root password .. oh wait .. they probably are
>> already running as root - no problem then! LOL
>>
>> Where does one find the Firestarter executable anyway, at
>> /user/bin/binary/bin/%username%/devconfig/config/firestar.bin ?? LOL
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> As you have NO idea how modern distributions work, please refrain from
> inane comments....
>
> thank you.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Err - Who appointed you, Err the Net cop? Err <sigh> maybe you should shove your head up your
ass where it belongs. Err.

 

He left the USA and now uses an unAmerican operating system. Hm .. pattern
there?

Saucy


"John Galt" <galtj@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:0i8ia55qa7ohkqdebkue3i1aq4g24l6pp3@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Saucy" <saucylemon@newsgroup.nospam> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>INLINE with some cuts:<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Don't feed the expatriate troll, doofus.
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>"Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Saucy wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> He left the USA and now uses an unAmerican operating system. Hm ..
> pattern there?
>
> Saucy
>
>
> "John Galt" <galtj@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0i8ia55qa7ohkqdebkue3i1aq4g24l6pp3@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> "Saucy" <saucylemon@newsgroup.nospam> wrote:
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> INLINE with some cuts:<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Don't feed the expatriate troll, doofus.
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

He can't afford Windows. He only gets an imaginary $14k a week from the tooth fairy!

 

Go before barrel fuleels

"Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h88hd1$dfa$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> G.R. Barker wrote:<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> And the reason is safety.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> That does not answer the question I posed and once again you have avoided
>> it.
>>
>> I will try again because I can see you are finding it quite difficult to
>> understand.
>>
>> Do you really think people will switch to Ubuntu because of cries of
>> worry with Vista and Windows 7?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> If they're smart, they will.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

You are very good at dodging the question put very simply to you. You
should have been a politician. I bet you could slide your way out of a
sewer.

"If they're smart, they will." Just doesn't cut it. That is your
assumption of what smart is to a computer user, which means zip by the
sounds of it. Rather presumptuous of you don't you think? Still you have
not answered the question put to you.

I'm smart. I use Vista. I have never encountered a safety issue. I have
been totally happy with Windows for years. Why should I change? "If it
ain't broke don't fix it" I believe the saying is.

I know, this is also the case for millions of other users. Are you saying
that all of those users are also not smart? Your tunnel vision is very
apparent! I suggest you get out more. If you do insist on staying in all
the time, try some reading instead of planting your nose, inside your
computer, all of your life.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> My answer to that would be I doubt it very much. What would you answer
>> be?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> See above.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

That is not an answer to the question I put to you. Read above to explain
why and try to take on board, reality this time.

Let's try once more, because I love to see a slippery snake backed into a
corner.

You remember the question. Read it slowly this time, take deep breaths as
you read it and exude concentration.

Do you really think people will switch to Ubuntu, in your wildest, wildest
dreams, because of your cries
of worry with Vista and Windows 7?

I'll give you a clue this time. The answer is either yes or no. Now give
me an honest answer in this fine newsgroup, (if you can.)
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> It only affects Windows 7. Good luck.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

There you go again with your scare tactics. Told you, they're not very
scary at all, as you can see from all the responses in here. I admire your
tenacity and loyalty to a dying breed, but rats fleeing from a sinking ship,
springs to mind.

Luck hasn't anything to do with it. Reading helps, you should try it some
day but then you are so blinkered and biased, what would be the point? Also
knowing quite a few MVP's and other REAL EXPERTS in the industry helps.
There input is invaluable and as I said before, I have heard nothing but
good reports about it. What's not to like? Let me reiterate, these are
REAL EXPERTS, not wannabe's like you.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Try googling it if you know how.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Oh please give me strength! There are good and bad reports about everything
on Google. That is just one outlet, that's how narrow minded you are.

Yes I have read umpteen reports on Google. Add to that readings from stacks
of unbiased PC magazines, conversed with several unbiased MVP's, some face
to face, talked to several unbiased experts in the industry, some face to
face. Do you really think I would not of done my homework first. No, you
know nothing about me or who you are talking to you for that matter.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Yes, one should be afraid of compromising one's computer and it ain't no
>>> stinking "scare tactics". With Ubuntu, one need not worry about this
>>> sort of thing. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> But then you would say that wouldn't you because as I said before, you
>> are trying to promote for your own ends.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> And my ends are?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Well they are not biased towards Window's for a start, that sort of gave me
a clue.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Your scare tactics do not scare me!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> That's because you're stupid. Fact:<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

There we go, I wondered when the insults would start. A sure sign when one
cannot win a debate, they result in throwing insults. How old are you? 3?

I'll tell you what I really am though, a realist. Look it up in the
dictionary. Basically, it means that I do not believe in fairy tales.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>Windows is malware prone. Ubuntu is not.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

So you keep saying, I hope you'll be very happy together!

I'll stick with the best if you don't mind.

 

"Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h8b9ks$b4$2@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> webster72n wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>>
>> "John Galt" <galtj@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:0i8ia55qa7ohkqdebkue3i1aq4g24l6pp3@4ax.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> "Saucy" <saucylemon@newsgroup.nospam> wrote:
>>>
>>>> INLINE with some cuts:
>>>
>>> Don't feed the expatriate troll, doofus.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Hope he gets it! <H>.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> "Saucy" is a she and a very clueless, bigoted and biased she.
>
> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

And you're not I suppose, although I assume you are a he.

 

"Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h8b9g2$b4$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Saucy wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> INLINE with some cuts:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:h88hd1$dfa$1@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> G.R. Barker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:h88648$mm1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> G.R. Barker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:h87ren$br6$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> G.R. Barker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you really think people will switch to Ubuntu because of that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People are free to choose and is safety on the Net is a concern and
>>>>>>> not getting malware to deal with is a concern, hell yes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not once mention that safety was not a concern. I merely asked
>>>>>> the question 'do you really think people will switch to Ubuntu for
>>>>>> the reason you posed'. I do not think it will make the slightest bit
>>>>>> of difference.
>>>>
>>>>> And the reason is safety.
>>>>
>>>> That does not answer the question I posed and once again you have
>>>> avoided it.
>>>>
>>>> I will try again because I can see you are finding it quite difficult
>>>> to understand.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really think people will switch to Ubuntu because of your cries
>>>> of worry with Vista and Windows 7?
>>>
>>> If they're smart, they will.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>> LOL - Is that the best you can come up with? There's no reason on earth
>> anyone would even install Ubuntu. If one wanted a Linux distro there are
>> far better distros out there - for free I might add. But Linux itself
>> sucks. It's a monolithic kernel OS which makes the device driver
>> situation a major difficulty. Want a new device? One that it not
>> precompiled into the kernel? Then recompile the kernel! This major issue
>> might not be a problem for a static computing project in a laboratory,
>> but it makes for a ridiculous situation in a general purpose operating
>> system.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> You're entitled to you FUD based erroneous opinion.
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your scare tactics do not scare me!
>>>
>>> That's because you're stupid. Fact: Windows is malware prone. Ubuntu is
>>> not.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>> Alias, security by obscurity is just fooling yourself. In case you don't
>> check industry news, computers running UNIX / Linux are broken into and
>> hacked all the time. RedHat Linux has an errata list as long as your arm.
>> Yada yada sure sure when I mention security, Linux is suddenly reduced to
>> the "just the kernel". But let's face it, the kernel without a software
>> system doesn't do anything. So as a whole, the Linux system is a weak,
>> vulnerable and not all that secure, needing constant patching and
>> updating (and every time a new device comes along, a recompile). Funnily
>> enough, many / most Linux distros have no or only crummy patch systems.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> You're entitled to you FUD based erroneous opinion.
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> Sure, there is more casual "malware" written against Windows desktops.
>> Why try to exploit Linux desktops - there are hardly any out there.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Over ten million is not "hardly any" and many enlightened governments are
> using Linux.
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> But these days the malware writers are having to depend almost entirely
>> on social engineering tactics to get the malware installed. Windows is
>> very resistive. About the only chance these days that the malware writers
>> have otherwise is a "zero day", but every OS is vulnerable to that.
>> Anyway, such a thing hits the news usually same day regardless, enabling
>> us to close the port we need to etc. etc.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> You're entitled to you FUD based erroneous opinion.
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>> This is not IE 6 in 2002, Alias. Windows is much more secure than it used
>> to be.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Har, har, har, pull the other one, it has bells on it.
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Users run with user not administrator privileges unless they give the
>> system permission to elevate. Internet Explorer 8 runs in a "Protected
>> Mode" armored sandbox. Nowadays, malware has to ask the user for
>> permission. If it were Linux instead of Windows, the same people who
>> would say 'Yes" to the malware are the same who would always run as
>> "root". lol<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> You're entitled to you FUD based erroneous opinion.
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> Alias<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>> Don't be sad. Linux might have been a cool-o neat-o idea for the
>> self-appointed granola crunching hip crowd ex hippies and weak minded
>> socialist / communist painfully politically correct university and
>> rainbow coalition types in the early and mid 1990s. But in practice it
>> isn't. It's even losing market share in the small areas it used to be
>> "ok" for, as now there are systems replacing it that do better than just
>> "ok". Besides, the rainbow coalition has moved on. They are sitting
>> pretty in coffee shops with their Apple laptops running Apple's Mac OSX,
>> not Linux. Let go, man. They've moved on, so should you. 'Guess living in
>> Spain down by the beach has sort of left you out of the circuit. Your
>> rainbow coalition and granola crunching comrades are into laptops and OSX
>> now, Alias.
>>
>> Saucy<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Now you're revealing your bias and prejudice and, of course, how
> completely clueless you are.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I would steer away from this lady if I were you, she is way above your
class.

Your answers to her very detailed post, are very futile, predictive and way
over your head.

Know when you're beaten!