Downgrade to XP pro

Luc wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:58:38 -0300, "John John (MVP)"
> <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>You might have been able to use your downgrade rights and have HP do it
>>for you free of charge.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> I thought Vista Home had no downgrade right?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

You have to buy the Vista Business edition to obtain downgrade rights to
Windows XP Professional. Vista Home has no downgrade rights. Downgrade
rights are given to businesses who might want to purchase new computers
but who do not want a mixed environment, there are often very good
reasons to keep all the computers with the same operating system in a
business environment or on a domain. Downgrade right are not new, they
have always existed for business customers, you could have purchased XP
Pro computers and downgraded them to Windows 2000 if you wanted.

John

 

Ditto. )

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"Luc" <lucvdv@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:d4kr64hgko659gl6c07vg9rp5heci2mqti@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:58:38 -0300, "John John (MVP)"
> <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> You might have been able to use your downgrade rights and have HP do it
>> for you free of charge.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> I thought Vista Home had no downgrade right?
>
> Even it if did, that would be to XP Home, but he's talking about
> downgrading Vista Home to XP Pro. I'd call that a major UPgrade <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:21:16 -0700, "Charles W Davis"
<Anthemwebs@lvcoxmail.com> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> I would advise that you learn to live with Vista and forget the instant
> gratification ploy, It is, in fact, superior to XP.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

But superior in what?

You can set up XP to be more secure than a default Vista. What Vista does
is pretend to give in to those who STILL insist on running everything as
administrator, and better protect them from themselves.

On the positive side, Vista forces some application developers (including a
few in their own ranks) to think about the rights an application really
needs, instead of to expect that administrator will be the only access
level ever used.



What I did on some W2K and XP machines is rename the administrator account
to something else, and create a new "Administrator" account that's really a
power user.

Some of them never notice, but you can count on it that those who DO notice
start searching for something that doesn't work, to complain about.
The less knowledgeable they are about common security practices (such as
NOT clicking on every link because it's there), the harder they complain.

And why do managers need administrator rights? Because they don't want an
admin ever to have to come near their machine, afraid he'll find something
that shouldn't be there.
In the case of our general manager that's downloaded mp3's, and he still
believes I don't know.

Or maybe there's something I *really* shouldn't see, and those mp3's are
just a decoy

 

Not exactly any OS - If you purchased Vista with a Notebook/PC though an OEM
there are constraints on how far and to which editions you can go back to.

Rights to OEM versions of systems software are granted in the OEM License
Terms. The OEM License Terms for most OEM versions of systems software do not
grant downgrade rights. The exception is the OEM License Terms for the
Windows® XP Professional operating system and the Windows Vista™ Business and
Windows Vista Ultimate operating systems, which grant downgrade rights. See
the full text of the OEM License Terms for the specific downgrade rights.

Basically if you buy Vista Business you can downgrade to XP Pro

Can I downgrade my OEM version of Windows Vista Business to Windows XP
Professional?
Yes. OEM downgrade rights for desktop PC operating systems apply to Windows
Vista Business and Windows Vista Ultimate as stated in the License Terms.
Please note, OEM downgrade versions of Windows Vista Business and Windows
Vista Ultimate are limited to Windows XP Professional (including Windows XP
Tablet PC Edition and Windows XP x64 Edition). End users can use the
following media for their downgrade: Volume Licensing media (provided the end
user has a Volume Licensing agreement), retail (FPP), or system builder
hologram CD (provided the software is acquired in accordance with the
Microsoft OEM System Builder License). Use of the downgraded operating system
is governed by the Windows Vista Business License Terms, and the end user
cannot use both the downgrade operating system and Windows Vista Business.
There are no downgrade rights granted for Windows Vista Home Basic or Windows
Vista Home Premium.

Hope this helps

BLC

"Gordon" wrote:
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> "MSExchangeStudent" <exchangestudent@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
> news:e$T$1Ys1IHA.5140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> > Hi
> >
> > I will be getting this laptop (HP Notebook - 530 - Intel Core 2 Duo T5200
> > (1.6Ghz), , Win Vista Home 32) but want to take Vista off when i get it
> > and put XP Pro on - is this possible or must i buy a separate downgrade
> > pack or something?
> ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
> You are at liberty to put any OS you want on YOUR machine.....just be
> careful that you don't void the warranty by doing so.....if you have a
> retail copy of XP then go ahead. You may need to go to HP website to check
> they actually have XP drivers for that make and model.
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Haveing a heck of a time getting the XP disk to boot into the right mode for
me to do anything to get Vista off. Keeps saying that I have a newer version
on hand.

Any way to get arround this???

"Anteaus" wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Done a few of these. They work well with XP provided you observe a few points
> about installation. Main point, make sure the BIOS SATA mode setting is in
> Legacy Mode, or the XP install will fail at the first reboot. You must change
> this setting.
>
> You would be best to get the drivers first from hp.com.
>
> There may be more than one available driver for LAN etc, so have a look in
> Vista's Control Panel to see which is in-use. This will save guesswork.
>
> You will need to format the HD so don't store the drivers on it. In fact I
> would advise completely wiping the disk, removing the Vista recovery
> partitions, for a fresh start. Your call as to partitioning, but I would
> allocate say 50% to the C: drive and the rest to a data drive.
>
> Buying with preinstalled XP may not help (othert than giving you a licence
> key) because of the problem of preinstalled trash, which HP unfortunately
> seem to have revived after a period of clean installs. Removing this trash
> often takes longer than a clean install, plus of course removal of
> promotional trash never leaves you with a truly 'new' computer, only a
> 'ex-demo' one.
>
> "MSExchangeStudent" wrote:
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
> > Ok, thank you - i will check for drivers first
> >
> > "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:g3th6a$7th$1@news.mixmin.net...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > "MSExchangeStudent" <exchangestudent@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
> > > news:e$T$1Ys1IHA.5140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > >> Hi
> > >>
> > >> I will be getting this laptop (HP Notebook - 530 - Intel Core 2 Duo T5200
> > >> (1.6Ghz), , Win Vista Home 32) but want to take Vista off when i get it
> > >> and put XP Pro on - is this possible or must i buy a separate downgrade
> > >> pack or something?
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > You are at liberty to put any OS you want on YOUR machine.....just be
> > > careful that you don't void the warranty by doing so.....if you have a
> > > retail copy of XP then go ahead. You may need to go to HP website to check
> > > they actually have XP drivers for that make and model. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> >
> >
> > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Rich

You need to boot with the XP CD inside your computers CD-ROM to get the option you
are looking for

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"Rich Pitt" <RichPitt@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7F2A9EA6-AB08-4967-9716-20A584C25FFD@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Haveing a heck of a time getting the XP disk to boot into the right mode for
> me to do anything to get Vista off. Keeps saying that I have a newer version
> on hand.
>
> Any way to get arround this???
>
> "Anteaus" wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Done a few of these. They work well with XP provided you observe a few points
>> about installation. Main point, make sure the BIOS SATA mode setting is in
>> Legacy Mode, or the XP install will fail at the first reboot. You must change
>> this setting.
>>
>> You would be best to get the drivers first from hp.com.
>>
>> There may be more than one available driver for LAN etc, so have a look in
>> Vista's Control Panel to see which is in-use. This will save guesswork.
>>
>> You will need to format the HD so don't store the drivers on it. In fact I
>> would advise completely wiping the disk, removing the Vista recovery
>> partitions, for a fresh start. Your call as to partitioning, but I would
>> allocate say 50% to the C: drive and the rest to a data drive.
>>
>> Buying with preinstalled XP may not help (othert than giving you a licence
>> key) because of the problem of preinstalled trash, which HP unfortunately
>> seem to have revived after a period of clean installs. Removing this trash
>> often takes longer than a clean install, plus of course removal of
>> promotional trash never leaves you with a truly 'new' computer, only a
>> 'ex-demo' one.
>>
>> "MSExchangeStudent" wrote:
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>> > Ok, thank you - i will check for drivers first
>> >
>> > "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:g3th6a$7th$1@news.mixmin.net...
>> > > "MSExchangeStudent" <exchangestudent@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:e$T$1Ys1IHA.5140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> > >> Hi
>> > >>
>> > >> I will be getting this laptop (HP Notebook - 530 - Intel Core 2 Duo T5200
>> > >> (1.6Ghz), , Win Vista Home 32) but want to take Vista off when i get it
>> > >> and put XP Pro on - is this possible or must i buy a separate downgrade
>> > >> pack or something?
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > You are at liberty to put any OS you want on YOUR machine.....just be
>> > > careful that you don't void the warranty by doing so.....if you have a
>> > > retail copy of XP then go ahead. You may need to go to HP website to check
>> > > they actually have XP drivers for that make and model.
>> >
>> >
>> > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

In news:7F2A9EA6-AB08-4967-9716-20A584C25FFD@microsoft.com,
Rich Pitt typed onSat, 26 Sep 2009 14:46:01 -0700 :<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Haveing a heck of a time getting the XP disk to boot into the right
> mode for me to do anything to get Vista off. Keeps saying that I have
> a newer version on hand.
>
> Any way to get arround this???<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Run ntwin32.exe from the i386 folder on the CD bypasses the downgrade
problem.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

 

One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about your
specific problems. State your IE version and current full Windows version
(e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.

PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.



Rich Pitt wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Haveing a heck of a time getting the XP disk to boot into the right mode
> for
> me to do anything to get Vista off. Keeps saying that I have a newer
> version
> on hand.
>
> Any way to get arround this???<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

In news:O1NFHvvPKHA.5032@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
PA Bear [MS MVP] typed on Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:50:14 -0400:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about
> your specific problems. State your IE version and current full
> Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.
>
> PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Sure you can. Run ntwin32.exe from the i386 folder.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

 

BillW50 wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> In news:O1NFHvvPKHA.5032@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
> PA Bear [MS MVP] typed on Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:50:14 -0400:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about
>> your specific problems. State your IE version and current full
>> Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.
>>
>> PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Sure you can. Run ntwin32.exe from the i386 folder.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

The I386 folder from an XP installation CD? I checked mine (XP Home,
generic OEM, SP3) and there was no such file. Also, when I Googled those
terms, all I got were your posts! See:



Perhaps you're thinking of another file?

 

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:50:14 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
<PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about your
>specific problems. State your IE version and current full Windows version
>(e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.
>
>PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Yes you can.

Vista pro to windows xp pro (Large Companies only)

Or certain Oems that have preinstalled Vista (Home or pro) can be
downgrade to xp (Home or pro)


Greg

 

In news:%23fvZJYwPKHA.4244@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
Daave typed on :<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> BillW50 wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> In news:O1NFHvvPKHA.5032@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
>> PA Bear [MS MVP] typed on Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:50:14 -0400:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about
>>> your specific problems. State your IE version and current full
>>> Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.
>>>
>>> PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Sure you can. Run ntwin32.exe from the i386 folder.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> The I386 folder from an XP installation CD? I checked mine (XP Home,
> generic OEM, SP3) and there was no such file. Also, when I Googled
> those terms, all I got were your posts! See:
>
>
>
> Perhaps you're thinking of another file?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Yes sorry, winnt32.exe.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

 

They're not talking about downgrade rights, they're talking about the actual
action of replacing Vista with XP. And, it's not a downgrade in that you
cannot migrate user accounts and installed software as is possible in an
upgrade, you can only create a clean installation.

And, downgrade rights are something that is generally not offered at the
consumer level. A few do, the majority do not.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help -
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"Greg" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:7i7q2pF30pvsdU1@mid.individual.net...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:50:14 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
> <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about your
>>specific problems. State your IE version and current full Windows version
>>(e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.
>>
>>PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Yes you can.
>
> Vista pro to windows xp pro (Large Companies only)
>
> Or certain Oems that have preinstalled Vista (Home or pro) can be
> downgrade to xp (Home or pro)
>
>
> Greg <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:28:42 -0400, "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org>
wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>They're not talking about downgrade rights, they're talking about the actual
>action of replacing Vista with XP. And, it's not a downgrade in that you
>cannot migrate user accounts and installed software as is possible in an
>upgrade, you can only create a clean installation.
>
>And, downgrade rights are something that is generally not offered at the
>consumer level. A few do, the majority do not.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Dell does, I think there were losing money with Vista. Now if
windows 7 does fine. That should help them a lot.

They let you try out Vista, if it doesn't work they provide a way to
downgrade to xp. (You wont be able to go back to Vista). It will
keep some of your setting from the way I understand it. Some apps
may need to be reinstalled.



Greg

 

BillW50 wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> In news:%23fvZJYwPKHA.4244@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
> Daave typed on :<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> BillW50 wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> In news:O1NFHvvPKHA.5032@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] typed on Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:50:14 -0400:
>>>> One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about
>>>> your specific problems. State your IE version and current full
>>>> Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.
>>>>
>>>> PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.
>>>
>>> Sure you can. Run ntwin32.exe from the i386 folder.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> The I386 folder from an XP installation CD? I checked mine (XP Home,
>> generic OEM, SP3) and there was no such file. Also, when I Googled
>> those terms, all I got were your posts! See:
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps you're thinking of another file?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Yes sorry, winnt32.exe.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

No prob. Thanks for the info.

 

Hi Greg,
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> It will keep some of your setting from the way I understand it. Some apps
> may need to be reinstalled.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

All downgrades from Vista to XP are a wipe and reload, there is no migration
path for applications and user accounts or settings. This applies
universally regardless of vendor. What some vendors *might* do is include
applications with their proprietary downgrade imaging media, or an
installation disk for them, but ones that exist in the Vista installation
cannot be retained as part of the downgrade process. No user accounts or
settings are retained in any fashion.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help -
Vote for my shoe:

"Greg" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:7i87pcF304q0kU1@mid.individual.net...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:28:42 -0400, "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org>
> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>They're not talking about downgrade rights, they're talking about the
>>actual
>>action of replacing Vista with XP. And, it's not a downgrade in that you
>>cannot migrate user accounts and installed software as is possible in an
>>upgrade, you can only create a clean installation.
>>
>>And, downgrade rights are something that is generally not offered at the
>>consumer level. A few do, the majority do not.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Dell does, I think there were losing money with Vista. Now if
> windows 7 does fine. That should help them a lot.
>
> They let you try out Vista, if it doesn't work they provide a way to
> downgrade to xp. (You wont be able to go back to Vista). It will
> keep some of your setting from the way I understand it. Some apps
> may need to be reinstalled.
>
>
>
> Greg <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->