Can't search DVD drive

When I highlight (select) my DVD RW Drive (F and do a search for a file
that I know is on the disc, it comes up "not found." If I search the folder
on the disc which contains the file, it is found. So it appears I'm unable
to search the disc as a whole, but instead must select individual folders
within the disc to search. Is it possible this is really how search is
designed in Vista? I can put the same disc in an XP machine and immediately
find the file by searching the disc as a whole.

Am I doing something wrong?

 

A common pяoblem with an easy solution described here:

<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314060>


Ǝиçεl
◕‿◕
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"C. Roy Blye" wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> When I highlight (select) my DVD RW Drive (F and do a search for a file
> that I know is on the disc, it comes up "not found." If I search the folder
> on the disc which contains the file, it is found. So it appears I'm unable
> to search the disc as a whole, but instead must select individual folders
> within the disc to search. Is it possible this is really how search is
> designed in Vista? I can put the same disc in an XP machine and immediately
> find the file by searching the disc as a whole.
>
> Am I doing something wrong?
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:54:01 -0700, ??ç?l <l@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
>A common p?oblem with an easy solution described here:
>
><http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314060>
>
>
>"C. Roy Blye" wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> When I highlight (select) my DVD RW Drive (F and do a search for a file
>> that I know is on the disc, it comes up "not found." If I search the folder
>> on the disc which contains the file, it is found. So it appears I'm unable
>> to search the disc as a whole, but instead must select individual folders
>> within the disc to search. Is it possible this is really how search is
>> designed in Vista? I can put the same disc in an XP machine and immediately
>> find the file by searching the disc as a whole.
>>
>> Am I doing something wrong?
>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Agghhhh.. Once again irreversible overkill. stick this in your registry. or cut
this from your registry.

Take internet advice with a tub of salt.

It is a common problem, it's also a RECURRING problem.
It is a Vista specific problem. I could be sitting there in the folder with the
cursor on the file being searched for, and Vista can't see it. I'm thinking the
ONLY way to make Vista see something despite 'searches may be slower' is to
turn off the indexing option.
For awhile there I found rerunning the index function would work to some
degree, until it brought up stuff on your search that hasn't been on your drive
for months.
And that makes the search not only a waste of time, but unreliable also.

Myself, I'm thinking I'm going to turn the indexing function off. And try and
use the search option again. I've been using the search in Commander. It's fast
and accurate, but I have to fire it up to use the search.

 

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:28:08 -0400, "C. Roy Blye" <myname@example.invalid>
wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>When I highlight (select) my DVD RW Drive (F and do a search for a file
>that I know is on the disc, it comes up "not found." If I search the folder
>on the disc which contains the file, it is found. So it appears I'm unable
>to search the disc as a whole, but instead must select individual folders
>within the disc to search. Is it possible this is really how search is
>designed in Vista? I can put the same disc in an XP machine and immediately
>find the file by searching the disc as a whole.
>
>Am I doing something wrong? <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Hello Roy,

In the Search tab of the Folder Options dialog, is the item "include sub
folders when typing in the search box" checked?

Doug M. in NJ

 

Hi Doug,

Yes, sub folders is checked.

Roy

"Retroman" <invalid@none.invalid> wrote in message
news:gffpc5p7kpkc4q79rrc6ob0h99hnu0auf7@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:28:08 -0400, "C. Roy Blye" <myname@example.invalid>
> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>When I highlight (select) my DVD RW Drive (F and do a search for a file
>>that I know is on the disc, it comes up "not found." If I search the
>>folder
>>on the disc which contains the file, it is found. So it appears I'm unable
>>to search the disc as a whole, but instead must select individual folders
>>within the disc to search. Is it possible this is really how search is
>>designed in Vista? I can put the same disc in an XP machine and
>>immediately
>>find the file by searching the disc as a whole.
>>
>>Am I doing something wrong?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Hello Roy,
>
> In the Search tab of the Folder Options dialog, is the item "include sub
> folders when typing in the search box" checked?
>
> Doug M. in NJ <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

This is going to sound like the most ridiculous elementary question, but how
do I access the advanced search options? I've been there many times, but the
only way I can recall getting there is after doing a non-advanced search, a
link appears to access the advanced search. However, it isn't doing that in
the present situation in which I'm trying to search the DVD drive. I think
I've also seen a button for search options on folder toolbars, but it's not
there now. This is very frustrating.


"C. Roy Blye" <myname@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:308F7A67-7E51-4F14-A987-F48DE80225FE@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> When I highlight (select) my DVD RW Drive (F and do a search for a file
> that I know is on the disc, it comes up "not found." If I search the
> folder on the disc which contains the file, it is found. So it appears I'm
> unable to search the disc as a whole, but instead must select individual
> folders within the disc to search. Is it possible this is really how
> search is designed in Vista? I can put the same disc in an XP machine and
> immediately find the file by searching the disc as a whole.
>
> Am I doing something wrong? <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Thanks. I ran the program and it did not find any problems, so, of course,
it didn't fix the problem. I should note that I don't have a problem reading
or writing to the DVD drive; it's only a search-related problem.

Here's a bit more specific description of the problem:
When I search a CD as a whole for a "naked" file (a file not in a folder),
it will find the file.
When I search a CD as a whole for a folder, it will find the folder.
When I search a CD as a whole for a file in a folder, it will not find the
file.
When I search the folder containing the file, it will find the file.
When I search a folder containing a subfolder containing the file, it will
not find the file.

BTW, I ran a search of a flash drive as a whole, and there was no problem
finding the specified file. The problem seems to be specific to my DVD
drive.

"Ǝиçεl" <l@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
> A common pяoblem with an easy solution described here:
>
> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314060>
>
>
> Ǝиçεl
> ◕‿◕
> -=-
>
> "C. Roy Blye" wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> When I highlight (select) my DVD RW Drive (F and do a search for a file
>> that I know is on the disc, it comes up "not found." If I search the
>> folder
>> on the disc which contains the file, it is found. So it appears I'm
>> unable
>> to search the disc as a whole, but instead must select individual folders
>> within the disc to search. Is it possible this is really how search is
>> designed in Vista? I can put the same disc in an XP machine and
>> immediately
>> find the file by searching the disc as a whole.
>>
>> Am I doing something wrong?
>> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Re: Re: Can't search DVD drive

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:34:52 -0400, "C. Roy Blye" <myname@example.invalid>
wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>Hi Doug,
>
>Yes, sub folders is checked.
>
>Roy
>
>"Retroman" <invalid@none.invalid> wrote in message
>news:gffpc5p7kpkc4q79rrc6ob0h99hnu0auf7@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:28:08 -0400, "C. Roy Blye" <myname@example.invalid>
>> wrote:
>><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>When I highlight (select) my DVD RW Drive (F and do a search for a file
>>>that I know is on the disc, it comes up "not found." If I search the
>>>folder
>>>on the disc which contains the file, it is found. So it appears I'm unable
>>>to search the disc as a whole, but instead must select individual folders
>>>within the disc to search. Is it possible this is really how search is
>>>designed in Vista? I can put the same disc in an XP machine and
>>>immediately
>>>find the file by searching the disc as a whole.
>>>
>>>Am I doing something wrong?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>> Hello Roy,
>>
>> In the Search tab of the Folder Options dialog, is the item "include sub
>> folders when typing in the search box" checked?
>>
>> Doug M. in NJ <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Roy,
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> ...how do I access the advanced search options? <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

If you mean the advanced search pane, press Win key + F, then click the
Advanced button on the right of the menu bar.
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> The problem seems to be specific to my DVD drive.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

That is unusual. It would be helpful if you could you post an example
query that fails from the root of the drive. The syntax is completely
different now and using the old-style queries will give erratic results.

Have you tried different types of queries? For example, what happens if
you search by extension from the DVD root for files known to be in sub
folders? To return files by extension, try this, with whatever extension
is appropriate after the colon:

ext:doc

Don't include a dot or wildcard characters (those are rarely needed now
and they work differently)

Doug M. in NJ

 

Re: Re: Can't search DVD drive

I posted a reply to Doug's message and it seems to have disappeared. Does
anyone know what happened to it?

crb

"Retroman" <invalid@none.invalid> wrote in message
news:letpc5dtmmsdpm7ic095ukbreauv5j3j5h@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:34:52 -0400, "C. Roy Blye" <myname@example.invalid>
> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>Hi Doug,
>>
>>Yes, sub folders is checked.
>>
>>Roy
>>
>>"Retroman" <invalid@none.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:gffpc5p7kpkc4q79rrc6ob0h99hnu0auf7@4ax.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:28:08 -0400, "C. Roy Blye"
>>> <myname@example.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>When I highlight (select) my DVD RW Drive (F and do a search for a
>>>>file
>>>>that I know is on the disc, it comes up "not found." If I search the
>>>>folder
>>>>on the disc which contains the file, it is found. So it appears I'm
>>>>unable
>>>>to search the disc as a whole, but instead must select individual
>>>>folders
>>>>within the disc to search. Is it possible this is really how search is
>>>>designed in Vista? I can put the same disc in an XP machine and
>>>>immediately
>>>>find the file by searching the disc as a whole.
>>>>
>>>>Am I doing something wrong?
>>>
>>> Hello Roy,
>>>
>>> In the Search tab of the Folder Options dialog, is the item "include sub
>>> folders when typing in the search box" checked?
>>>
>>> Doug M. in NJ<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Roy,
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> ...how do I access the advanced search options?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> If you mean the advanced search pane, press Win key + F, then click the
> Advanced button on the right of the menu bar.
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> The problem seems to be specific to my DVD drive.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> That is unusual. It would be helpful if you could you post an example
> query that fails from the root of the drive. The syntax is completely
> different now and using the old-style queries will give erratic results.
>
> Have you tried different types of queries? For example, what happens if
> you search by extension from the DVD root for files known to be in sub
> folders? To return files by extension, try this, with whatever extension
> is appropriate after the colon:
>
> ext:doc
>
> Don't include a dot or wildcard characters (those are rarely needed now
> and they work differently)
>
> Doug M. in NJ <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Re: Re: Re: Can't search DVD drive

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:09:01 -0400, "C. Roy Blye" <myname@example.invalid>
wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>I posted a reply to Doug's message and it seems to have disappeared. Does
>anyone know what happened to it?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Roy,

I see no reply, and this being Usenet, there is no way to know what
happened. Best to repost it.

Doug M. in NJ

 

Re: Re: Re: Can't search DVD drive

Doug,

Strange that my post got lost. I must admit I went into a slight frustrated
rant, and thought maybe my message had been deleted somehow, even though I
was careful to substitute strategic vowels here and there with *s and !s,
etc.

I am going to post my original reply (or a paraphrase of it, anyway) in the
same position in the thread hierarchy where I think it will make more sense.

CRB

"Retroman" <invalid@none.invalid> wrote in message
news:kveuc5tqi9froprnu1k8of1hulmt9chj1q@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:09:01 -0400, "C. Roy Blye" <myname@example.invalid>
> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>I posted a reply to Doug's message and it seems to have disappeared. Does
>>anyone know what happened to it?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Roy,
>
> I see no reply, and this being Usenet, there is no way to know what
> happened. Best to repost it.
>
> Doug M. in NJ
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Re: Re: Can't search DVD drive

Doug,

Thanks for the tip on calling up the advanced search page. I probably should
have known that. Every OS since Win 3.x has accessed search via a right
click on the start button, and it's clearly silly of me not to see the logic
of changing that tradition and putting it in Win Key + F, then click on
advanced search, instead. </sarcasm> It is very frustrating that before
starting this thread I had spent considerable time going through Windows
Help on the subject of search, and nowhere did I see the Win Key tip. What I
did find was a LINK to advanced search from within Help, but no mention of
the Win Key or other keystrokes to get there. Gr-r-r! </rant>

Maybe it was understood in my first post in this thread, but I didn't
explicitly state that I was searching by selecting an item from the explore
pane on the left, then entering a search term in the little search window in
the upper right of the window. When I searched the DVD drive by this method,
it did not (and still does not) find any subfolders or files within folders.
By comparison, when I search a flash drive by the same method, everything is
found. The search problem appears to be specific to the DVD drive, even
though I have no problem reading and writing to that drive.

Now get this: When I open advanced search and select the DVD drive from the
location dropdown, a search of that drive finds everything! Go figure. So,
my original problem remains, but at least I have an easy work-around. Still,
if anyone knows what's causing the original problem, I'd be interested.

Thanks,
Roy

"Retroman" <invalid@none.invalid> wrote in message
news:letpc5dtmmsdpm7ic095ukbreauv5j3j5h@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:34:52 -0400, "C. Roy Blye" <myname@example.invalid>
> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>Hi Doug,
>>
>>Yes, sub folders is checked.
>>
>>Roy
>>
>>"Retroman" <invalid@none.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:gffpc5p7kpkc4q79rrc6ob0h99hnu0auf7@4ax.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:28:08 -0400, "C. Roy Blye"
>>> <myname@example.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>When I highlight (select) my DVD RW Drive (F and do a search for a
>>>>file
>>>>that I know is on the disc, it comes up "not found." If I search the
>>>>folder
>>>>on the disc which contains the file, it is found. So it appears I'm
>>>>unable
>>>>to search the disc as a whole, but instead must select individual
>>>>folders
>>>>within the disc to search. Is it possible this is really how search is
>>>>designed in Vista? I can put the same disc in an XP machine and
>>>>immediately
>>>>find the file by searching the disc as a whole.
>>>>
>>>>Am I doing something wrong?
>>>
>>> Hello Roy,
>>>
>>> In the Search tab of the Folder Options dialog, is the item "include sub
>>> folders when typing in the search box" checked?
>>>
>>> Doug M. in NJ<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Roy,
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> ...how do I access the advanced search options?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> If you mean the advanced search pane, press Win key + F, then click the
> Advanced button on the right of the menu bar.
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> The problem seems to be specific to my DVD drive.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> That is unusual. It would be helpful if you could you post an example
> query that fails from the root of the drive. The syntax is completely
> different now and using the old-style queries will give erratic results.
>
> Have you tried different types of queries? For example, what happens if
> you search by extension from the DVD root for files known to be in sub
> folders? To return files by extension, try this, with whatever extension
> is appropriate after the colon:
>
> ext:doc
>
> Don't include a dot or wildcard characters (those are rarely needed now
> and they work differently)
>
> Doug M. in NJ <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Re: Re: Re: Can't search DVD drive

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:43:22 -0400, "C. Roy Blye" <myname@example.invalid>
wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>Doug,
>
>Thanks for the tip on calling up the advanced search page. I probably should
>have known that. Every OS since Win 3.x has accessed search via a right
>click on the start button, and it's clearly silly of me not to see the logic
>of changing that tradition and putting it in Win Key + F, then click on
>advanced search, instead. </sarcasm> It is very frustrating that before
>starting this thread I had spent considerable time going through Windows
>Help on the subject of search, and nowhere did I see the Win Key tip. What I
>did find was a LINK to advanced search from within Help, but no mention of
>the Win Key or other keystrokes to get there. Gr-r-r! </rant>
>
>Maybe it was understood in my first post in this thread, but I didn't
>explicitly state that I was searching by selecting an item from the explore
>pane on the left, then entering a search term in the little search window in
>the upper right of the window. When I searched the DVD drive by this method,
>it did not (and still does not) find any subfolders or files within folders.
>By comparison, when I search a flash drive by the same method, everything is
>found. The search problem appears to be specific to the DVD drive, even
>though I have no problem reading and writing to that drive.
>
>Now get this: When I open advanced search and select the DVD drive from the
>location dropdown, a search of that drive finds everything! Go figure. So,
>my original problem remains, but at least I have an easy work-around. Still,
>if anyone knows what's causing the original problem, I'd be interested.
>
>Thanks,<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

You're quite welcome, Roy.

I followed your exact procedure to search my DVD drive from Explorer, and
it worked as expected. I'm using Vista Home Basic SP1. Sorry, but I
don't have a clue as to the cause of your problem with that drive.

The one thing that I can suggest would be to look for "shell extensions",
the Explorer context menu items that many applications add. These are
notorious for causing a variety of problems with Explorer if they are
poorly coded, which they often are. You can use the Microsoft "Autoruns"
utility to see what extensions are loaded and to disable them for testing.
There is also the Shell Extensions Viewer from Nirsoft.net that makes this
process even easier. Both items are freeware.

Good luck,

Doug M. in NJ