To clarify (Java)

The point was about installing Java Update not, about running the Java Verify Tool or about the Java Verify Tool.

The confusion came because the person was not (still) talking about the same item, same thing as the point (had) addressed; about installing Update ... not verifying.

Save yourselves trying to find something for which to punish someone or how to punish them. Not interested, just interested in helping folks w/ IT, not just be negative, argue & bash things; not @ my age. I can easily not be were not welcome or nicely treated.

I, still, thank my friend, Jim, for inviting me to be part of this forum.

And I disrespected nor slandered no one.

 

Drew I still don't see the problem. I used the verify tool myself today and it installed the newest version and then uninstalled the old ones.
You feel uninstalling the old ones first makes a difference. Can you please explain why?

 

It was never said that method does not 'work', in that sense. Some time ago it was discovered that there were 'issues' w/ Java. The workaround that avoid these cropping up, mitigate any risk, was to uninstall the old 1st before installing the new. Since that time some people don't/won't use Java, others put it in when they need it & then remove it the rest of the time. Doing what was described avoids that, as well.

 

OK let's talk about this again from the standpoint of understanding... I never ever stopped using Java as there are too many places I go that Java is necessary or the site won't work. I leaft Chrome forever when Google ended Java in its browser, that is how serious I am.
I also have read enough times that old Java can be easily permeated by Malware. I have always used the Java Verify method or similar and then either the program removed old versions or I did.
I have never become infected. I don't remember having any issues involving Java ever and have never had an infection problem other than in test environments when I wanted to be infected.
Doing it thew way you suggested makes absolutely no difference from the other way, why is that? I am just trying to understand how it can make a difference. Do you have nothing in writing explaining that Drew and please understand this is from the standpoint of learning, not to belittle you in any way and you could ask me the same thing if I said something that seemed "off color" and it would not bother me at all.

Just as you were upset with us changing the original, Tony was upset with the challenge in open forum. I don't care about questioning my opinions at all in public but many staff members would
which could be why you feel mistreated the same way you feel we are mistreating you. This is totally done from the standpoint of learning and I have nearly 550 clients who I don't want to change their habits unless it is proven to me there is a better way. I read just ;like you do and have never heard of this. I have read that we must remove old version of Java and old Java never did that but newer Java does.

 

Rich. Why do you bring up your 550 clients all the time to support your own opinion?
Are they all still alive?

I make a habit of removing the old version completely, before installing any new version, regardless of what software.
Then there is no chance whatsoever with a risk of any corruption.
I think this is good housekeeping and one of the rare times I agree with Drew.

 

Just because one has not, YET, heard of something or encountered something does not make it rubbish.

If you and your 500 and some clients don't want to ever do anything new or different, simply don't; there is that free choice. This is an example of preventative medicine. Ergo will continue to recommend remove and replace rather than rewrite to my clients, however many I have and others.

 

Because Dougie when I change the way I do something I also change what my clients do and I don't want to change the habits of 550 people without seeing proof that
there is a difference because as you suggested it that you think it makes sense I am not disagreeing but that thought alone is not sufficient for me to change the way 550 people do something. For me alone sure no biggie!

 

Could you show me where I said what you said is "rubbish", I don't see that. However for my own habits, I could care less. Before I change the habits of my clientele, I want to see it written from a reliable source with an explanation of why it is better done that way is all. Until then I go with the maker of Java who should know how to best install their program and they say use the Java verifier.

 

I don't use Java....yeah...I said it.....LOL! Thought I'd rock the boat a little more....somebody is bound to fall out! Hehehehehehehe!

 

I don't use Java either. There is no right and wrong here, just different ways that people do things to come to the same result.

 

Actually lets be exact because we are forgetting a step or two here. Drew put up his work and we all agreed that we would work on or modify it to make a forum sticky.
I agreed with what Tony said so I altered line 7. It sounds to me like Drew was upset that I changed his posting when he thinks it should be done differently and I think that is the real problem here,
not so much that he said he thinks Tony is wrong. But again when you puyt it up and we agree to modify it you really can't come back and have issues with the changes.