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RE: NTLM based auth fails for LOCAL SYSTEM when accessing clustered sh

Discussion in 'Windows Security' started by Dave, Jun 25, 2009.

  1. Dave

    Dave Guest

    Hi - just wondering if I should cross post this [below] to the security group
    as well.
    --
    -Dave


    "Dave" wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Hi,
    >
    > Info:
    >
    > - Windows 2003 SP2 active/passive cluster
    > - Physical nodes are called "Node1" and "Node2"
    > - These nodes are members of Windows 2003 AD domain called "ADDomain.Local"
    > - Cluster Name resource is called "VirtualServer"
    > - Cluster Name resource does NOT have Kerberos auth enabled
    > - "Node1" is currently active
    > - Shares are created as clustered resources with the following permissions:
    >
    > SHARE ACL specifies EVERYONE:Full Control
    > NTFS ACL specifies EVERYONE:Full Control
    >
    > - All shares are currently active on "Node1"
    > - Test share is "\VirtualServer.ADDomain.LocalTestShare"
    > - Test computer is "ADDomainTestPC"
    > - Test user is "ADDomainTestUser"
    > - Both DNS and WINS are configured and confirmed working properly in the
    > environment
    >
    > OBJECTIVE is to read the TestShare folder with following four CMDs:
    >
    > dir \VirtualServer.ADDomain.LocalTestShare
    > dir \Node1.ADDomain.LocalTestShare
    > dir \IPAddr_for_VirtualServerTestShare
    > dir \IPAddr_for_Node1TestShare
    >
    > Results
    >
    > ADDomainTestUser logs on to ADDomainTestPC and is successful with the
    > OBJECTIVE in all four cases. Each one has to fall back to NTLM.
    >
    > Next is a test with credentials of LOCAL SYSTEM ( ADDomainTestPC ):
    >
    > - Test #1 FAILS
    > - Test #2 success
    > - Test #3 FAILS
    > - Test #4 FAILS
    >
    > I'm assuming that test #2 succeeded because we used the hostname of the
    > physical node which was able to use Kerberos and had a valid SPN in AD.
    >
    > I'm trying to understand why NTLM fails in the other three cases under
    > context of a domain computer even while it succeeds in all cases under the
    > credentials of a domain user.
    >
    > Thank you!
    > --
    > -Dave<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
  2. Peter Foldes

    Peter Foldes Guest

    Yes. To the public.windows.server.security newsgroup and remove the public.security
    one

    --
    Peter

    Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
    Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

    "Dave" <Dave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:4656125C-B7C2-4DD9-8DAC-AACA5DA2135F@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Hi - just wondering if I should cross post this [below] to the security group
    > as well.
    > --
    > -Dave
    >
    >
    > "Dave" wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> Info:
    >>
    >> - Windows 2003 SP2 active/passive cluster
    >> - Physical nodes are called "Node1" and "Node2"
    >> - These nodes are members of Windows 2003 AD domain called "ADDomain.Local"
    >> - Cluster Name resource is called "VirtualServer"
    >> - Cluster Name resource does NOT have Kerberos auth enabled
    >> - "Node1" is currently active
    >> - Shares are created as clustered resources with the following permissions:
    >>
    >> SHARE ACL specifies EVERYONE:Full Control
    >> NTFS ACL specifies EVERYONE:Full Control
    >>
    >> - All shares are currently active on "Node1"
    >> - Test share is "VirtualServer.ADDomain.LocalTestShare"
    >> - Test computer is "ADDomainTestPC"
    >> - Test user is "ADDomainTestUser"
    >> - Both DNS and WINS are configured and confirmed working properly in the
    >> environment
    >>
    >> OBJECTIVE is to read the TestShare folder with following four CMDs:
    >>
    >> dir VirtualServer.ADDomain.LocalTestShare
    >> dir Node1.ADDomain.LocalTestShare
    >> dir IPAddr_for_VirtualServerTestShare
    >> dir IPAddr_for_Node1TestShare
    >>
    >> Results
    >>
    >> ADDomainTestUser logs on to ADDomainTestPC and is successful with the
    >> OBJECTIVE in all four cases. Each one has to fall back to NTLM.
    >>
    >> Next is a test with credentials of LOCAL SYSTEM ( ADDomainTestPC ):
    >>
    >> - Test #1 FAILS
    >> - Test #2 success
    >> - Test #3 FAILS
    >> - Test #4 FAILS
    >>
    >> I'm assuming that test #2 succeeded because we used the hostname of the
    >> physical node which was able to use Kerberos and had a valid SPN in AD.
    >>
    >> I'm trying to understand why NTLM fails in the other three cases under
    >> context of a domain computer even while it succeeds in all cases under the
    >> credentials of a domain user.
    >>
    >> Thank you!
    >> --
    >> -Dave <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
  3. Dave

    Dave Guest

    Re: NTLM based auth fails for LOCAL SYSTEM when accessing clustere

    Thanks Peter. I will post to the group you suggested. However, I'm
    uncertain how to REMOVE the existing post from this newsgroup (for a
    newsreader "client" I'm simply using an IE browser on Microsoft's communities
    site). Apologies for leaving it here.
    --
    -Dave


    "Peter Foldes" wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Yes. To the public.windows.server.security newsgroup and remove the public.security
    > one
    >
    > --
    > Peter
    >
    > Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
    > Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
    >
    > "Dave" <Dave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:4656125C-B7C2-4DD9-8DAC-AACA5DA2135F@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Hi - just wondering if I should cross post this [below] to the security group
    > > as well.
    > > --
    > > -Dave
    > >
    > >
    > > "Dave" wrote:
    > ><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    > >> Hi,
    > >>
    > >> Info:
    > >>
    > >> - Windows 2003 SP2 active/passive cluster
    > >> - Physical nodes are called "Node1" and "Node2"
    > >> - These nodes are members of Windows 2003 AD domain called "ADDomain.Local"
    > >> - Cluster Name resource is called "VirtualServer"
    > >> - Cluster Name resource does NOT have Kerberos auth enabled
    > >> - "Node1" is currently active
    > >> - Shares are created as clustered resources with the following permissions:
    > >>
    > >> SHARE ACL specifies EVERYONE:Full Control
    > >> NTFS ACL specifies EVERYONE:Full Control
    > >>
    > >> - All shares are currently active on "Node1"
    > >> - Test share is "VirtualServer.ADDomain.LocalTestShare"
    > >> - Test computer is "ADDomainTestPC"
    > >> - Test user is "ADDomainTestUser"
    > >> - Both DNS and WINS are configured and confirmed working properly in the
    > >> environment
    > >>
    > >> OBJECTIVE is to read the TestShare folder with following four CMDs:
    > >>
    > >> dir VirtualServer.ADDomain.LocalTestShare
    > >> dir Node1.ADDomain.LocalTestShare
    > >> dir IPAddr_for_VirtualServerTestShare
    > >> dir IPAddr_for_Node1TestShare
    > >>
    > >> Results
    > >>
    > >> ADDomainTestUser logs on to ADDomainTestPC and is successful with the
    > >> OBJECTIVE in all four cases. Each one has to fall back to NTLM.
    > >>
    > >> Next is a test with credentials of LOCAL SYSTEM ( ADDomainTestPC ):
    > >>
    > >> - Test #1 FAILS
    > >> - Test #2 success
    > >> - Test #3 FAILS
    > >> - Test #4 FAILS
    > >>
    > >> I'm assuming that test #2 succeeded because we used the hostname of the
    > >> physical node which was able to use Kerberos and had a valid SPN in AD.
    > >>
    > >> I'm trying to understand why NTLM fails in the other three cases under
    > >> context of a domain computer even while it succeeds in all cases under the
    > >> credentials of a domain user.
    > >>
    > >> Thank you!
    > >> --
    > >> -Dave <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     

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