Re: I burned my first and last CD

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:29:03 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <uN4gjqcuJHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, dadiOH
><dadiOH@invalid.com> writes:
>[]
>>> and then they sell MUSIC CD blanks. Does music
>>> really need these special blanks, or can the standard CD-r be used for
>>> music?
>>
>>They sell "music " blanks because years ago some group got their nose out of
>>joint and a portion of the higher price of "music" blanks goes to them.
>>There is no physical difference in the media.
>
>Well, there is a difference with _some_ of them: they will work in the
>standalone CD audio recording devices that won't work with ordinary
>blanks. I'm not aware of these having been sold for some time, though.

Walmart has them. They also have some of the CD+r even though they
are said to not exist, but they do have them. I had the store clerk
looking at them and he said they were blank DVDs until he looked
closer and it says CD+r. I think they are Memorex. Otherweise they
are Maxell. I tend to confuse those brands.

>>____________________
>>
>>> Then too, if I was to put 700m of MP3 music on one, would the
>>> CD player on my stereo play all of it, or my DVD player on the TV?
>>> I sort of get the feeling to just never use more than 650 to be safe
>>> (just a guess).
>>
>>Neither of them would be able to play *any* of it unless the device
>>contained a chip to decode the MP3 to wave.
>
>Most DVD players these days _can_ play mp3 data, though (sometimes only
>from the root directory).

Seems we have a bit of confusion here ?????
Do ALL music CD's need to be from the ROOT dir?
I guess all commercial music CDs are....

>>
>>MP3s ALWAYS have to be decoded to wave, you cannot play them in MP3 form.
>>MP3s aren't music per se, they are more of a shorthand representation of the
>>wave from which they were made; decoding them reconstructs - more or less -
>>that wave and the wave can be played.
>>
So, in order to put some of my MP3s on to a CD, I have to make .WAV
files from them. Is there something that I can download to convert
them? (free and easy to use preferred)
I have a program called GoldWave that edits .WAV files but I dont
think it converts, at least not the OLD version I have. It's
shareware but I have a licensed version from 1995.

>>
>Indeed; mp3 is to raw audio data as JP(E)G is to bitmap. Including the
>lossy compression - both throw away stuff which the human brain doesn't
>notice under normal circumstances. (If you zoom in too much on _certain
>parts_ of a JPEG image, or select too low a bit rate [and haven't
>lowered the sampling rate enough] when making an mp3 file, the losses
>become noticeable, then objectionable.)

I know all too well what happens to a JPG if it's edited too many
times. I once did some work on one and kept saving it as a JPG and
then editing again. Eventually is was horrible. Now when I edit I
save them as BMP or PCX, both which are not lossy, whrn all editing is
done, then I convert the final one to JPG again, but save the BMP pr
PCX.

So a MP3 is actually a compressed version, like using Winzip or
something. Right? I have never edited one, but I have edited some
..WAV files.

 

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:09:53 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <lr3ut45err87loq2iq3fpqhg5fhivl8b6i@4ax.com>,
>letterman@invalid.com writes:
>directory.
>
>Have you _tried_ either of your home-burnt discs in the DVD player yet
>(assuming the files on them include at least one it might be expected to
>make something of, such as an mp3 or jpeg)?
>
All the files I put on the good CD are .FLV videos. I'll have to try
one with JPGs.

>Hmm. I've had very little experience with 2k; I've found it less easy to
>get on with than XP (XP with all the bells and whistles turned off and
>set to "classic mode", that is), but that could be just a matter of
>familiarity.
>>
>Later versions of WinZip could handle: long file names (yours probably
>can do that, earlier ones couldn't); differing encryption standards;
>more compression formats (such as .rar).
>
My version CAN handle LFNs.
I even have a dos version of PkZip that handles LFNs and runs from
Dos.

>XP has .zip support (though I've found that how it handles .zip files
>varies: sometimes it treats them as a pseudo-directory [folder], other
>times it doesn't).

 

letterman@invalid.com wrote in
news:q060u4p0dpe7fva03tv24fd9kp52dsvevo@4ax.com:


> There is a limit to long filenames.

It's 64 characters INCLUDING the extension. But if you burn an
ISO file it is almost irrelevant.
Since most CD/DVD burners operate at the DOS level, the ISO file
probably can't be more than 8.3.

I could be wrong, it's been a long time since I had to mess with
all this.
Once you learn, you know and you burn happily.

 

letterman@invalid.com wrote in
news:af90u41fjp5g5j2ervb3h9m7jh018cdhc4@4ax.com:

<SNIP>

I posted something called

"free older version of dbpa.rar for someone and ottodeth and OUG
(as in CBGB-OMFUG)"

(an excellent then-free converter.)

in alt.binaries.test a few days ago. use binsearch.info to find
it and use a nzb file to get it since that group has a million
posts a day.

Actually, I just looked and I am attaching the nzb file.
I am pretty sure Agent handles them. XNews doesn't but I use
GrabIt when I need nzb functionality.

 

letterman@invalid.com wrote in
news:af90u41fjp5g5j2ervb3h9m7jh018cdhc4@4ax.com:

<SNIP>

I posted something called

"free older version of dbpa.rar for someone and ottodeth and OUG
(as in CBGB-OMFUG)"

(an excellent then-free converter.)

in alt.binaries.test a few days ago. use binsearch.info to find
it and use a nzb file to get it since that group has a million
posts a day.

Actually, I just looked and I am attaching the nzb file.
I am pretty sure Agent handles them. XNews doesn't but I use
GrabIt when I need nzb functionality.

OOPS! Non-binary group.

Posting the nzb to alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc.old

 

letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:29:03 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> <G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <uN4gjqcuJHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, dadiOH
>> <dadiOH@invalid.com> writes:
>> []
>>>> and then they sell MUSIC CD blanks. Does music
>>>> really need these special blanks, or can the standard CD-r be used for
>>>> music?
>>>
>>> They sell "music " blanks because years ago some group got their nose
>>> out of
>>> joint and a portion of the higher price of "music" blanks goes to them.
>>> There is no physical difference in the media.
>>
>> Well, there is a difference with _some_ of them: they will work in the
>> standalone CD audio recording devices that won't work with ordinary
>> blanks. I'm not aware of these having been sold for some time, though.
>
> Walmart has them. They also have some of the CD+r even though they
> are said to not exist, but they do have them.

That surprises me; I'd like to see that. I'll have to go and check it out
sometime.

> I had the store clerk
> looking at them and he said they were blank DVDs until he looked
> closer and it says CD+r. I think they are Memorex. Otherweise they
> are Maxell. I tend to confuse those brands.
>
>>> ____________________
>>>
>>>> Then too, if I was to put 700m of MP3 music on one, would the
>>>> CD player on my stereo play all of it, or my DVD player on the TV?
>>>> I sort of get the feeling to just never use more than 650 to be safe
>>>> (just a guess).
>>>
>>> Neither of them would be able to play *any* of it unless the device
>>> contained a chip to decode the MP3 to wave.
>>
>> Most DVD players these days _can_ play mp3 data, though (sometimes only
>> from the root directory).
>
> Seems we have a bit of confusion here ?????
> Do ALL music CD's need to be from the ROOT dir?
> I guess all commercial music CDs are....
>
>>>
>>> MP3s ALWAYS have to be decoded to wave, you cannot play them in MP3
>>> form.
>>> MP3s aren't music per se, they are more of a shorthand representation of
>>> the
>>> wave from which they were made; decoding them reconstructs - more or
>>> less - that wave and the wave can be played.
>>>
> So, in order to put some of my MP3s on to a CD, I have to make .WAV
> files from them.

No. MP3's can be saved on the CD directly, just like any other files. If
you have the right player, it can play them (the player software does the
conversion in real time). But not all CD or DVD players can play mp3 files
(especially the standard home players).

> Is there something that I can download to convert
> them? (free and easy to use preferred)

Tons of programs are available that will convert .wav to .mp3, or vice
versa, IF you need that. Google some, or look on "download.com" under
audio converters, etc. Most aren't free, but are pretty cheap.

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:e4QhLTnuJHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> letterman@invalid.com wrote:

<SNIP>

>> Walmart has them. They also have some of the CD+r even
>> though they are said to not exist, but they do have them.
>
> That surprises me; I'd like to see that.

It'll be a bit of a wait. They /don't/ exist. Walmart clerks do
not score very highly on perceptual and intelligence tests.

>I'll have to go
> and check it out sometime.

>> I had the store clerk
>> looking at them and he said they were blank DVDs until he
>> looked closer and it says CD+r. I think they are Memorex.
>> Otherweise they are Maxell. I tend to confuse those
>> brands.

Leterman: Memorex is garbage as I told you I don't know how may
times.

Maxell is Hitachi, better, but not WHAT I TOLD YOU TO BUY.

<SNIP>

Letterman: GOD FORBID you should read the parts of the FAQ that
answer all these questions. It's SO nice of you to give us all
something to do...

SIGH.

 

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:19:55 -0400, "MEB" <MEB@not@here> wrote:
>
> >Along with that....
> >
> > You are continuing to over-look the STANDARD [yes, its actually written
> >down] for *data CDs* which still remains at 650 megs. for portability
[the
> >ability to move that disk from any OS and software to any another OS and
> >software and ANY device since we moved from 2x speeds.
> >
> > You CAN burn 700 meg blanks to the full amount, HOWEVER, they are NOT
the
> >internationally recognized acceptable size for DATA.
>
> If thats the case why do I need to get a new burner or software? I
> dont want to burn anything that is not usable on all drives, so there
> is no sense even trying to use hat extra 50megs. It's not that much
> more anyhow.
>
> > Just as you CAN burn non-standard ISO and Joliet [indexing STANDARDS for
> >portability], and XP and VISTA will even allow you to BREAK the
> >extended/modified *sub-sets* OF "those *standards*" with file names and
> >directories with special characters AND EXTREMELY LONG file names,
HOWEVER,
> >they WILL NOT be portable beyond XP and VISTA, because every other
> >intelligent person on the planet [generally meaning non-Windows users]
> >understands the necessity of STANDARDS compliance for compatibility among
> >the various OSs available.. for example Windows VISTA is such an openly
> >arrogant OS that it believes every attempted connection to it should
follow
> >Microsoft's ideas on networking REGARDLESS of any compatibility and cross
> >platform issues [like Apple does/did, though its much easier to cross
> >platform connect]. And this REGARDLESS of the fact its special
requirements
> >were HACKED long *BEFORE* the retail release and the OSs it has
difficulty
> >networking with include Microsoft's own prior OSs.
> >
> Just like a drug pusher, MS gets you hooked and you can never leave.
> Here's a few sample pills, come back when you want more, and bring
> lots of money.
>
> > The short::: Windows has always walked *outside* of the acceptable
> >internationally recognized STANDARDS, in part to make itself unique
> >[marketable], and in part to allow its users to NOT have to understand or
> >comply with international STANDARDS [which, in part, came about due to
the
> >whining for things like LOOOOOOONG file names so users could remember
what
> >the file contained [rather than a descriptive directory/folder or two
with a
> >one or two word description for a file]]. So Windows users can have a
> >directory like c://USERS/awkmaster/My Documents/MY special folder for
things
> >I do not understand/The World and its political arena/My special folder
for
> >extra-special things I just do not get do to my arrogance and
ignorance/Why
> >me/chemical imbalances and Why they make a difference to
me.medical/people
> >just do not understand me/hey I forgot to take my
> >Thorzene/Why-I-feel-so-deeply-depressed-on-the_second_Tuesday-of-every
> >month_except_the-third-one-which-begins-with-a-M
> >AND-I-did_NOT_forget-to-take my medication and did NOT flip.out.doc and
can
> >tell Wondows [wonder and Windows combined like a brain dead comatose
> >patient] to ignore any standards, yet those same Win*dows* users *won*der
> >why the CD doesn't work in anything BUT Windows XP or VISTA and burnt at
702
> >megs DATA [as if every CD drive and all software on the planet supports
the
> >non-standard format JUST BECAUSE Wondows allows it and Wondows users
expect
> >it]...
> >
> >--
> >~
>
> There is a limit to long filenames. I found that out the other day
> when making a backup. I had saved a weblink using the "Create
> Shortcut" option in IE. The website had the most rediculously long
> name. That file refused to copy, and kept killing my backup (using
> "copy" in Win98). Worse yet, it would not allow me to rename it, or
> delete it. Windows actually froze up because of that damn file. I
> finally had to delete it from Dos. I probably could have renamed it
> from dos too, but I was so pissed by that time I deleted it.
>
>

Oh ,they're out there alright, generally hosted on Microsoft servers which
cheerily allows Wondows users to do OUT HERE what they do on their own
systems, create those massive names..... and choke up crawlers, browsers,
routing, and everything related to this out here... of course it could also
have been one of those dynamically created sites which can allow even more,
including ILLEGAL characters to be used... how often do we now find << or |
or >= or ?= or ( , ) now included in a site link... and with session data
tacked on the link as well....
Just wait till IPv6 is fully in play,, you'll find web sites with those
same Wondows style names.... and presentations,, guess we actually need an
IPv10 or so to accommodate them so they can put their 456 character site
names and page names out here..

Also you mentioned *back up*:
Neither ISO or Joliet will accommodate more than 255 characters in any
*path* UNLESS using RELAXED ISO, meaning directory(ies) + file name need to
be less than 255 IN TOTAL [see the below Quick Info]. Many burning programs
will auto-shorten a file name or overly-long directory/folder/file
combinations.

Some relevant info for your particular use:

650 MB - DATA standard

Here's a reference, but fails in its historical value, e.g., older drives,
older OSs, necessary applications AND drives to support the
sub-sets/extensions, and some non-crucial details]:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660

STANDARDS -short explanations

Orange Book - {note the link, SID data, and non-standard characters}
http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid5_gci503648,00.html

Red Book Audio Standard and general disk layout/format

Yellow Book - Red Book extension for data OTHER THAN audio
http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid5_gci503647,00.html

Blue Book standard - multi-session, mixed mode, combined Red Book {first
section} and Yellow Book {second section} standards


ISO 9660 - Quick info - What you might find or need to know in 9X burning
software

ISO 1 - 8+3=11 total - meaning 8 for any folders involved and 8 for a file
[with a 3 character extension] but no more than 8 directories/folders
INCLUDING the root, only characters A-Z, 0-9 and the underscore (_) are
allowed EXCEPT for the file .extension.

ISO 2 - 31 total - meaning either can be 31 but no more than 8
directories/folders INCLUDING the root, only characters A-Z, 0-9 and the
underscore (_) are allowed.EXCEPT for the file .extension. MAX around 180
characters TOTAL - Wondows 9X and above [and supported in most other
systems]

Extended/Relaxed ISO - over 255 TOTAL but must comply with one of the above
UNLESS you also relax directories/folders to more than 8

Older drives [some of the original 1x 2x ] generally burn at Mode2/XA-format
and support ISO 1 [2x *might* support ISO 2 or if high range - Relaxed]
Others ewer Mode1 [unless an old cheapo drive like came with some sound
cards]
98 and above can use UDF {ISO-13346}rather than/in addition to ISO however
it may not be transportable to other systems.

DDCD (double-density CD) {Purple Book CD standard} could burn up to 1.3 GB
of data. NOT transportable to most systems and required special applications
and burner/drive [used in Playstations I think]. Replaced by the DVD format.

And to completely lay this discussion to rest we might as well provide this
DVD link as well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

AND I suppose I should claim [see links below] this post so some moron
doesn't put it up on THEIR website as their material...

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