OT: USP power supply

I got a Belkin USP power supply at a garage sale. It has 8 outlets.
4 are just surge protected. The other 4 are the UPS. The surge prot
ones work, but not the others.

I have never used one of these. It has a serial port that is supposed
to connect to the computer and I was told there needs to be software
to run it.

My question is whether it needs to be connected to this serial port
connection before it will do anything? Right now it does nothing. No
LEDs light up or anything. I left it plugged in for at least 24 hours
now to charge the battery. Maybe it's dead, and I lost the $3 I paid
for it, but maybe I'm not doing something right.

Its a Belkin model F6C325-SER

Anyone know about these?

Thanks

LM

 

Re: USP power supply

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:r9gh05t2rn6mv70e14cie94covgjdknbcs@4ax.com...
>I got a Belkin USP power supply at a garage sale. It has 8 outlets.
> 4 are just surge protected. The other 4 are the UPS. The surge prot
> ones work, but not the others.
>
> I have never used one of these. It has a serial port that is supposed
> to connect to the computer and I was told there needs to be software
> to run it.
>
> My question is whether it needs to be connected to this serial port
> connection before it will do anything? Right now it does nothing. No
> LEDs light up or anything. I left it plugged in for at least 24 hours
> now to charge the battery. Maybe it's dead, and I lost the $3 I paid
> for it, but maybe I'm not doing something right.
>
> Its a Belkin model F6C325-SER
>
> Anyone know about these?

If the surge-protected outlets work, but not the battery-backed outlets, and the LED
does not light up after 24 hours plugged in, the battery inside it is most likely
dead. Those are the classic symptoms.

Most UPS batteries can be replaced by the consumer, and usually cost around $30 US,
or less. The problem is that if it still doesn't work after replacing the battery,
the charging circuitry may be bad and you wasted your money.

Here's an example:
http://www.apexbattery.com/belkin-c...atteries-belkin-components-ups-batteries.html

The serial connection is for the software (which should be downloadable from
Belkin)....it has nothing to do with the outlets working.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

 

Re: USP power supply

On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:26:39 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
wrote:

><letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
>news:r9gh05t2rn6mv70e14cie94covgjdknbcs@4ax.com...
>>I got a Belkin USP power supply at a garage sale. It has 8 outlets.
>> 4 are just surge protected. The other 4 are the UPS. The surge prot
>> ones work, but not the others.
>>
>> I have never used one of these. It has a serial port that is supposed
>> to connect to the computer and I was told there needs to be software
>> to run it.
>>
>> My question is whether it needs to be connected to this serial port
>> connection before it will do anything? Right now it does nothing. No
>> LEDs light up or anything. I left it plugged in for at least 24 hours
>> now to charge the battery. Maybe it's dead, and I lost the $3 I paid
>> for it, but maybe I'm not doing something right.
>>
>> Its a Belkin model F6C325-SER
>>
>> Anyone know about these?
>
>If the surge-protected outlets work, but not the battery-backed outlets, and the LED
>does not light up after 24 hours plugged in, the battery inside it is most likely
>dead. Those are the classic symptoms.
>
>Most UPS batteries can be replaced by the consumer, and usually cost around $30 US,
>or less. The problem is that if it still doesn't work after replacing the battery,
>the charging circuitry may be bad and you wasted your money.
>
>Here's an example:
>http://www.apexbattery.com/belkin-c...atteries-belkin-components-ups-batteries.html
>
>The serial connection is for the software (which should be downloadable from
>Belkin)....it has nothing to do with the outlets working.

I was sort of contemplating a dead battery. If buying a battery would
solve the problem, I'd go ahead and buy one. But I really dont want
to get stuck with a useless battery if the circuitry is bad. Is there
any way to connect something else, such as some nicads, or maybe a
garden tractor battery, just to test it? I have both of them.

Thanks

LM

 

Re: USP power supply

Any similar rechargeable battery of the same voltage would be OK to test, at
least for a moment to see of the PS comes to life. You could also use a
suitable dummy resistance if you could work out the value from the rated
charging voltage and the maximum load. A standard 60w light globe is often
suitable.

Note that it is common for that type of charging circuit to have an overload
cut-out that trips for a completely flat battery, but once the battery has
been charged up a bit, the circuit will hold long enough to bring it up to
the float level, where it has no difficulty maintaining it. So if you can
charge the battery from some other source, such as a car battery charger (if
it's 12v) then, assuming it holds the charge, it might work OK when
installed back in the UPS. It's also possible that leaving it for a very
long time allows sufficient charge to dribble in to bring the internal
resistance up to a level where the charger will hold. Assuming, of course,
that the problem is that the charger is tripping due to overload.

Connecting the serial port and installing the software will enable the UPS
to signal the PC to shut down when the mains power fails.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:7b5i05t8n0faoresjspo044kuu6vl2obnd@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:26:39 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
>><letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>news:r9gh05t2rn6mv70e14cie94covgjdknbcs@4ax.com...
>>>I got a Belkin USP power supply at a garage sale. It has 8 outlets.
>>> 4 are just surge protected. The other 4 are the UPS. The surge prot
>>> ones work, but not the others.
>>>
>>> I have never used one of these. It has a serial port that is supposed
>>> to connect to the computer and I was told there needs to be software
>>> to run it.
>>>
>>> My question is whether it needs to be connected to this serial port
>>> connection before it will do anything? Right now it does nothing. No
>>> LEDs light up or anything. I left it plugged in for at least 24 hours
>>> now to charge the battery. Maybe it's dead, and I lost the $3 I paid
>>> for it, but maybe I'm not doing something right.
>>>
>>> Its a Belkin model F6C325-SER
>>>
>>> Anyone know about these?
>>
>>If the surge-protected outlets work, but not the battery-backed outlets,
>>and the LED
>>does not light up after 24 hours plugged in, the battery inside it is most
>>likely
>>dead. Those are the classic symptoms.
>>
>>Most UPS batteries can be replaced by the consumer, and usually cost
>>around $30 US,
>>or less. The problem is that if it still doesn't work after replacing the
>>battery,
>>the charging circuitry may be bad and you wasted your money.
>>
>>Here's an example:
>>http://www.apexbattery.com/belkin-c...atteries-belkin-components-ups-batteries.html
>>
>>The serial connection is for the software (which should be downloadable
>>from
>>Belkin)....it has nothing to do with the outlets working.
>
> I was sort of contemplating a dead battery. If buying a battery would
> solve the problem, I'd go ahead and buy one. But I really dont want
> to get stuck with a useless battery if the circuitry is bad. Is there
> any way to connect something else, such as some nicads, or maybe a
> garden tractor battery, just to test it? I have both of them.
>
> Thanks
>
> LM

 

Re: USP power supply

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:r9gh05t2rn6mv70e14cie94covgjdknbcs@4ax.com...
>I got a Belkin USP power supply at a garage sale. It has 8 outlets.
> 4 are just surge protected. The other 4 are the UPS. The surge prot
> ones work, but not the others.
>
> I have never used one of these. It has a serial port that is supposed
> to connect to the computer and I was told there needs to be software
> to run it.
>
> My question is whether it needs to be connected to this serial port
> connection before it will do anything? Right now it does nothing. No
> LEDs light up or anything. I left it plugged in for at least 24 hours
> now to charge the battery. Maybe it's dead, and I lost the $3 I paid
> for it, but maybe I'm not doing something right.
>
> Its a Belkin model F6C325-SER
>
> Anyone know about these?
>
> Thanks
>
> LM

Not much out there for internal hardware information on that thing.

However, after reading the following weblink, the orginal owners may have
not known this either. Or, chose not to act on what it needs to work
properly.
http://www.labx.com/v2/spiderdealer2/vistasearchdetails.cfm?LVid=5845551

Open it up and see if you have a battery to begin with.
--
Dave

 

Re: USP power supply

Lil' Dave wrote:
> <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:r9gh05t2rn6mv70e14cie94covgjdknbcs@4ax.com...
>> I got a Belkin USP power supply at a garage sale. It has 8 outlets.
>> 4 are just surge protected. The other 4 are the UPS. The surge prot
>> ones work, but not the others.
>>
>> I have never used one of these. It has a serial port that is supposed
>> to connect to the computer and I was told there needs to be software
>> to run it.
>>
>> My question is whether it needs to be connected to this serial port
>> connection before it will do anything? Right now it does nothing. No
>> LEDs light up or anything. I left it plugged in for at least 24 hours
>> now to charge the battery. Maybe it's dead, and I lost the $3 I paid
>> for it, but maybe I'm not doing something right.
>>
>> Its a Belkin model F6C325-SER
>>
>> Anyone know about these?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> LM
>
> Not much out there for internal hardware information on that thing.
>
> However, after reading the following weblink, the orginal owners may have
> not known this either. Or, chose not to act on what it needs to work
> properly.
> http://www.labx.com/v2/spiderdealer2/vistasearchdetails.cfm?LVid=5845551
>
> Open it up and see if you have a battery to begin with.



You can usually tell if it's got a battery in it from the weight...
but not a bad idea to open it up and give it a good "visual"

If it's leaky or bulged...time to get rid of it

by properly recycling

 

Re: USP power supply



letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:26:39 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
> wrote:
> I was sort of contemplating a dead battery. If buying a battery would
> solve the problem, I'd go ahead and buy one. But I really dont want
> to get stuck with a useless battery if the circuitry is bad. Is there
> any way to connect something else, such as some nicads, or maybe a
> garden tractor battery, just to test it? I have both of them.
>
> Thanks
>
> LM

If the garden tractor battery is the same voltage, I can't think of a reason
that you couldn't disconect the UPS battery and connect up the tractor
battery or any other smaller 12v (If that is the correct voltage for a
battery in your UPS) battery for testing purposes.
Buffalo
PS: Just make sure the replacement (test) battery you use is fully charged
so that the charging circuit in the UPS doesn't get overburdened.

 

Re: USP power supply

On Tue, 12 May 2009 11:37:38 -0500, philo <philo@privacy.invalid>
wrote:

>Lil' Dave wrote:
>> <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:r9gh05t2rn6mv70e14cie94covgjdknbcs@4ax.com...
>>> I got a Belkin USP power supply at a garage sale. It has 8 outlets.
>>> 4 are just surge protected. The other 4 are the UPS. The surge prot
>>> ones work, but not the others.
>>>
>>> I have never used one of these. It has a serial port that is supposed
>>> to connect to the computer and I was told there needs to be software
>>> to run it.
>>>
>>> My question is whether it needs to be connected to this serial port
>>> connection before it will do anything? Right now it does nothing. No
>>> LEDs light up or anything. I left it plugged in for at least 24 hours
>>> now to charge the battery. Maybe it's dead, and I lost the $3 I paid
>>> for it, but maybe I'm not doing something right.
>>>
>>> Its a Belkin model F6C325-SER
>>>
>>> Anyone know about these?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> LM
>>
>> Not much out there for internal hardware information on that thing.
>>
>> However, after reading the following weblink, the orginal owners may have
>> not known this either. Or, chose not to act on what it needs to work
>> properly.
>> http://www.labx.com/v2/spiderdealer2/vistasearchdetails.cfm?LVid=5845551
>>
>> Open it up and see if you have a battery to begin with.
>
>
>
>You can usually tell if it's got a battery in it from the weight...
>but not a bad idea to open it up and give it a good "visual"
>
>If it's leaky or bulged...time to get rid of it
>
>by properly recycling

Yep, it has a battery. Weight alone told me that. I did open it, saw
battery, it looks normal, but that is just the external appearance.

That weblink on here is the same one.....

Thanks

LM

 

Re: USP power supply

"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
news:ORa6oSv0JHA.5924@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> Not much out there for internal hardware information on that thing.
>
> However, after reading the following weblink, the orginal owners may have not
> known this either. Or, chose not to act on what it needs to work properly.
> http://www.labx.com/v2/spiderdealer2/vistasearchdetails.cfm?LVid=5845551
>
> Open it up and see if you have a battery to begin with.



That's a unit from a "recycler" without batteries, like this one:
https://www.recycledgoods.com/item/25792.aspx

If the original owners bought the unit new, it came with batteries.....and cost a
bit more than that:
http://www.firstsourcecomponents.com/785805.html
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

 

Re: USP power supply


<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 May 2009 11:37:38 -0500, philo <philo@privacy.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>Lil' Dave wrote:
>>> <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>> news:r9gh05t2rn6mv70e14cie94covgjdknbcs@4ax.com...
>>>> I got a Belkin USP power supply at a garage sale. It has 8 outlets.
>>>> 4 are just surge protected. The other 4 are the UPS. The surge prot
>>>> ones work, but not the others.
>>>>
>>>> I have never used one of these. It has a serial port that is supposed
>>>> to connect to the computer and I was told there needs to be software
>>>> to run it.
>>>>
>>>> My question is whether it needs to be connected to this serial port
>>>> connection before it will do anything? Right now it does nothing. No
>>>> LEDs light up or anything. I left it plugged in for at least 24 hours
>>>> now to charge the battery. Maybe it's dead, and I lost the $3 I paid
>>>> for it, but maybe I'm not doing something right.
>>>>
>>>> Its a Belkin model F6C325-SER
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know about these?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> LM
>>>
>>> Not much out there for internal hardware information on that thing.
>>>
>>> However, after reading the following weblink, the orginal owners may
>>> have
>>> not known this either. Or, chose not to act on what it needs to work
>>> properly.
>>> http://www.labx.com/v2/spiderdealer2/vistasearchdetails.cfm?LVid=5845551
>>>
>>> Open it up and see if you have a battery to begin with.
>>
>>
>>
>>You can usually tell if it's got a battery in it from the weight...
>>but not a bad idea to open it up and give it a good "visual"
>>
>>If it's leaky or bulged...time to get rid of it
>>
>>by properly recycling
>
> Yep, it has a battery. Weight alone told me that. I did open it, saw
> battery, it looks normal, but that is just the external appearance.
>
> That weblink on here is the same one.....
>
> Thanks
>
> LM


Well if you have a DC volt meter...assuming it's a 12v battery
with the UPS plugged in , the voltage should be *approx* 13.5 -13.8volts


with the UPS unplugged from the AC the full charge voltage should be around
12.7


Of course, even with normal volatge readings, that still does not mean the
battery is any good.

Normally, if a battery is weak, the UPS will have normal AC output until the
power is killed

(or it's unplugged) then the output voltge will drop at once.

If the battery is any good at all, it should hold a load for at least ten
minutes

 

On Mon, 11 May 2009 19:28:32 -0500, letterman@invalid.com put finger
to keyboard and composed:

>I got a Belkin USP power supply at a garage sale. It has 8 outlets.
>4 are just surge protected. The other 4 are the UPS. The surge prot
>ones work, but not the others.

>Its a Belkin model F6C325-SER
>
>Anyone know about these?

Your model cost US$80 when new:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010501...n_Path=/Root/PowerProtection/UPSDesktopUsage/

Tech specs:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010405232435/www.belkin.com/support/tech/goldupsts.html

User manual:
http://web.belkin.com/support/download/files/F6CXXX_ups.pdf

Possible causes for "UPS not on, LED not lit" are:

On/off/test/ button not pushed or pushed less than 1 sec (page 6)
Battery voltage less than 10V
Load less than 20W at battery mode

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

Re: USP power supply

> letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:26:39 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
> > wrote:
> > I was sort of contemplating a dead battery. If buying a battery would
> > solve the problem, I'd go ahead and buy one. But I really dont want
> > to get stuck with a useless battery if the circuitry is bad. Is there
> > any way to connect something else, such as some nicads, or maybe a
> > garden tractor battery, just to test it? I have both of them.

"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:guca4f$8c5$1@news.motzarella.org...

> If the garden tractor battery is the same voltage, I can't think of a
reason
> that you couldn't disconect the UPS battery and connect up the tractor
> battery or any other smaller 12v (If that is the correct voltage for a
> battery in your UPS) battery for testing purposes.
> Buffalo
> PS: Just make sure the replacement (test) battery you use is fully charged
> so that the charging circuit in the UPS doesn't get overburdened.

The PS is the problem . . . because UPS batteries are normally
supplied uncharged, and must be charged (slowly) by the user.
But LM knows some of the circuitry in this $3 bargain works,
because the non-PS surge protector circuits work OK. I would
have thought this was sufficient reason to suppose all the
circuitry is OK, and the unit will be fully reactivated by a new
battery. (NB: this city of 700,000 has one or two specialist
battery shops, where I have found replacement UPS batteries
cost much less than branded items from the UPS manufacturer.)

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

 

Re: USP power supply

On Tue, 12 May 2009 01:24:02 -0500, letterman@invalid.com wrote:

>I was sort of contemplating a dead battery. If buying a battery would
>solve the problem, I'd go ahead and buy one. But I really dont want
>to get stuck with a useless battery if the circuitry is bad. Is there
>any way to connect something else, such as some nicads, or maybe a
>garden tractor battery, just to test it? I have both of them.

Pull the battery from the unit and test it. First, what sort of voltage does it
show on no load? Will it light (say) an auto headlamp? If the battery tests
U/S, then by all means try and substitute a fully charged auto battery using
decent sized leads. If it still doesn't function as per the user manual (see
Franc's post) then it is probably not worth pursuing.

The most common failure in SOHO UPS is battery failure due to poor charge
regime, which overcharges and destroys them.

 

Re: USP power supply

On Tue, 12 May 2009 18:11:36 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
<e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>The PS is the problem . . . because UPS batteries are normally
>supplied uncharged ...

According to the user manual ...

==================================================================
11.0 Storage Conditions

Store the UPS covered and upright in a cool, dry location, with its
battery fully charged. Before storing, charge the UPS for at least 4
hours. Disconnect any cables connected to the computer interface port
to avoid unnecessary drainage of the battery.

11.1 Extended Storage

During extended storage in environments where the ambient temperature
is -15°C to +30°C (+5°F to +86°F), charge the UPS battery every 6
months.

During extended storage in environments where the ambient temperature
is +30°C to +45°C (+86°F to +113°F), charge the UPS battery every 3
months.
==================================================================

- Franc Zabkar
--
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