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NTFS modify but not delete

Discussion in 'Windows Home Server' started by wuzzle, Oct 6, 2009.

  1. wuzzle

    wuzzle Guest

    Hello

    I want to security group "A" to be able to read, write, etc...but not
    delete. They should be able to create folders, create files, but not
    delete (I think renaming a folder constitutes deleting). Anyway,
    modify is the closest I get to being able to do what I want it to do,
    but alas they can delete.

    Thanks
     
    wuzzle, Oct 6, 2009
    #1
  3. John John - MVP

    John John - MVP Guest

    Look into the Special Permissions (Advanced settings).

    John

    wuzzle wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Hello
    >
    > I want to security group "A" to be able to read, write, etc...but not
    > delete. They should be able to create folders, create files, but not
    > delete (I think renaming a folder constitutes deleting). Anyway,
    > modify is the closest I get to being able to do what I want it to do,
    > but alas they can delete.
    >
    > Thanks<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
    John John - MVP, Oct 6, 2009
    #2
  4. wuzzle

    wuzzle Guest

    On Oct 6, 12:16 pm, John John - MVP <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Look into the Special Permissions (Advanced settings).
    >
    > John
    >
    >
    >
    > wuzzle wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Hello<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > I want to security group "A" to be able to read, write, etc...but not
    > > delete.  They should be able to create folders, create files, but not
    > > delete (I think renaming a folder constitutes deleting).  Anyway,
    > > modify is the closest I get to being able to do what I want it to do,
    > > but alas they can delete.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Thanks- Hide quoted text -<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > - Show quoted text -<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Hi John, thanks for the quick reply. I looked at the ACLs that make
    up the NTFS permissions (advanced tab), but can't seem to get the
    right combination. If I uncheck delete subfiles and files, and
    uncheck delete I can't rename folders. I guess if there is no other
    way I may have to create the folders ahead of time. I want each
    member of the security group to create folders.
     
    wuzzle, Oct 6, 2009
    #3
  5. Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]

    Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS] Guest

    Hello wuzzle,

    Modifying a file or folder requires a delete option. During change of the
    name you delete the old file and create a new one, even if you don't see
    that step.

    Best regards

    Meinolf Weber
    Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
    no rights.
    ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
    ** HELP us help YOU!!!

    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Hello
    >
    > I want to security group "A" to be able to read, write, etc...but not
    > delete. They should be able to create folders, create files, but not
    > delete (I think renaming a folder constitutes deleting). Anyway,
    > modify is the closest I get to being able to do what I want it to do,
    > but alas they can delete.
    >
    > Thanks
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
    Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS], Oct 6, 2009
    #4
  6. wuzzle

    wuzzle Guest

    On Oct 6, 12:57 pm, Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS] <meiweb@(nospam)gmx.de>
    wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Hello wuzzle,
    >
    > Modifying a file or folder requires a delete option. During change of the
    > name you delete the old file and create a new one, even if you don't see
    > that step.
    >
    > Best regards
    >
    > Meinolf Weber
    > Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
    > no rights.
    > ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
    > ** HELP us help YOU!!!
    >
    >
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Hello<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > I want to security group "A" to be able to read, write, etc...but not
    > > delete.  They should be able to create folders, create files, but not
    > > delete (I think renaming a folder constitutes deleting).  Anyway,
    > > modify is the closest I get to being able to do what I want it to do,
    > > but alas they can delete.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Thanks- Hide quoted text -<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > - Show quoted text -<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Hi Meinof, yes I understand that. My comment from earlier;

    "They should be able to create folders, create files, but not
    delete (I think renaming a folder constitutes deleting)".


    So you are saying that what I want is not possible using ntfs and ACLs?
     
    wuzzle, Oct 6, 2009
    #5
  7. wuzzle

    wuzzle Guest

    On Oct 6, 1:11 pm, wuzzle <wuzz...@yahoo.com> wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Oct 6, 12:57 pm, Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS] <meiweb@(nospam)gmx.de>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Hello wuzzle,<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Modifying a file or folder requires a delete option. During change of the
    > > name you delete the old file and create a new one, even if you don't see
    > > that step.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Best regards<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Meinolf Weber
    > > Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
    > > no rights.
    > > ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
    > > ** HELP us help YOU!!!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    > > > Hello<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    > > > I want to security group "A" to be able to read, write, etc...but not
    > > > delete.  They should be able to create folders, create files, but not
    > > > delete (I think renaming a folder constitutes deleting).  Anyway,
    > > > modify is the closest I get to being able to do what I want it to do,
    > > > but alas they can delete.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    > > > Thanks- Hide quoted text -<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > - Show quoted text -<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Hi Meinof, yes I understand that. My comment from earlier;
    >
    > "They should be able to create folders, create files, but not
    > delete (I think renaming a folder constitutes deleting)".
    >
    > So you are saying that what I want is not possible using ntfs and ACLs?- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    I figured it out. Thanks for all who responded.
     
    wuzzle, Oct 6, 2009
    #6
  8. DaveMills

    DaveMills Guest

    Remember

    Creating a file/folder makes you the OWNER.
    the owner has always the right to change the permissions
    if you can change the permissions you can give yourself F/C
    Hence you can delete.

    Windows does not support what you want. It would require a "default owner" for
    new files/folder before it could do this.



    On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:11:25 -0700 (PDT), wuzzle <wuzzle1@yahoo.com> wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >On Oct 6, 12:57 pm, Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS] <meiweb@(nospam)gmx.de>
    >wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Hello wuzzle,
    >>
    >> Modifying a file or folder requires a delete option. During change of the
    >> name you delete the old file and create a new one, even if you don't see
    >> that step.
    >>
    >> Best regards
    >>
    >> Meinolf Weber
    >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
    >> no rights.
    >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
    >> ** HELP us help YOU!!!
    >>
    >>
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >> > Hello<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >> > I want to security group "A" to be able to read, write, etc...but not
    >> > delete.  They should be able to create folders, create files, but not
    >> > delete (I think renaming a folder constitutes deleting).  Anyway,
    >> > modify is the closest I get to being able to do what I want it to do,
    >> > but alas they can delete.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >> > Thanks- Hide quoted text -<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> - Show quoted text -<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >Hi Meinof, yes I understand that. My comment from earlier;
    >
    >"They should be able to create folders, create files, but not
    >delete (I think renaming a folder constitutes deleting)".
    >
    >
    >So you are saying that what I want is not possible using ntfs and ACLs?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    --
    Dave Mills
    There are 10 types of people, those that understand binary and those that don't.
     
    DaveMills, Oct 6, 2009
    #7
  9. Ace Fekay [MCT]

    Ace Fekay [MCT] Guest

    "wuzzle" <wuzzle1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:523fdd5a-bd52-43e9-a075-8aad1d30cad9@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
    On Oct 6, 1:11 pm, wuzzle <wuzz...@yahoo.com> wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Oct 6, 12:57 pm, Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS] <meiweb@(nospam)gmx.de>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Hello wuzzle,<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Modifying a file or folder requires a delete option. During change of
    > > the
    > > name you delete the old file and create a new one, even if you don't see
    > > that step.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Best regards<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Meinolf Weber
    > > Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
    > > confers
    > > no rights.
    > > ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
    > > ** HELP us help YOU!!!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    > > > Hello<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    > > > I want to security group "A" to be able to read, write, etc...but not
    > > > delete. They should be able to create folders, create files, but not
    > > > delete (I think renaming a folder constitutes deleting). Anyway,
    > > > modify is the closest I get to being able to do what I want it to do,
    > > > but alas they can delete.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    > > > Thanks- Hide quoted text -<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > - Show quoted text -<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Hi Meinof, yes I understand that. My comment from earlier;
    >
    > "They should be able to create folders, create files, but not
    > delete (I think renaming a folder constitutes deleting)".
    >
    > So you are saying that what I want is not possible using ntfs and ACLs?-
    > Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > I figured it out. Thanks for all who responded.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    I was going to suggest to select the drop down box choosing parent and no
    child folders, etc. Curious, what did you select to figure it out? Share so
    all can benefit that find this thread in an internet search, please.

    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [MCT], Oct 6, 2009
    #8

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