Moving from SCSI Raid array to internal IDE disk

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com · Oct 22, 2009

Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array which
basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then partitioned
into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).

We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 40Gb
drive.

Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and seems
to install on the new internal disk.

Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
this because the boot disk is now totally different?

Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using bootcfg
() sort this out?

Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I know
this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?

Pegasus [MVP] · Oct 22, 2009

"BertieBigBollox@gmail.com" <bertiebigbollox@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7a17e43b-b6af-474d-abe6-a995e5acda77@m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array which
> basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then partitioned
> into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).
>
> We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 40Gb
> drive.
>
> Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and seems
> to install on the new internal disk.
>
> Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
> this because the boot disk is now totally different?
>
> Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using bootcfg
> () sort this out?
>
> Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I know
> this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?

Windows is probably still looking for the SCSI RAID array driver. I would do
this to make it use an IDE controller.
1. Create or obtain a Bart PE boot CD.
2. Test the Bart CD. It must give you full access to the Windows System
partition.
3. Back up the System hive of the registry.
4. Boot the machine with the Bart CD and check if you can see both the
System hive and its backup copy.
5. Working through the Control Panel / System / Device Manager, change the
IDE ATA/ATAPI Controller from whatever it is to the Standard Dual Channel
PCI/IDE Controller.
6. Create your clone disk.
7. Disconnect the SCSI RAID controller and boot the machine with the IDE
disk.
8. If this fails, restore the original System hive from its backup copy,
using the Bart boot CD.

By the way, I think it is short-sighted to use a 40 GByte IDE disk for your
server. Use a 150 or 200 GByte disk to give you some elbow room! Make the
System partition 20 GBytes and use the rest for your data.

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com · Oct 22, 2009

On Oct 22, 12:54 pm, "Pegasus [MVP]" <n...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> "BertieBigBol...@gmail.com" <bertiebigbol...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7a17e43b-b6af-474d-abe6-a995e5acda77@m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array which
> > basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then partitioned
> > into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).
>
> > We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 40Gb
> > drive.
>
> > Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and seems
> > to install on the new internal disk.
>
> > Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
> > this because the boot disk is now totally different?
>
> > Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using bootcfg
> > () sort this out?
>
> > Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I know
> > this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?
>
> Windows is probably still looking for the SCSI RAID array driver. I would do
> this to make it use an IDE controller.
> 1. Create or obtain a Bart PE boot CD.
> 2. Test the Bart CD. It must give you full access to the Windows System
> partition.
> 3. Back up the System hive of the registry.
> 4. Boot the machine with the Bart CD and check if you can see both the
> System hive and its backup copy.
> 5. Working through the Control Panel / System / Device Manager, change the
> IDE ATA/ATAPI Controller from whatever it is to the Standard Dual Channel
> PCI/IDE Controller.
> 6. Create your clone disk.
> 7. Disconnect the SCSI RAID controller and boot the machine with the IDE
> disk.
> 8. If this fails, restore the original System hive from its backup copy,
> using the Bart boot CD.
>
> By the way, I think it is short-sighted to use a 40 GByte IDE disk for your
> server. Use a 150 or 200 GByte disk to give you some elbow room! Make the
> System partition 20 GBytes and use the rest for your data.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Couldnt I get windows to look for the IDE disk using bootcfg?

BTW. Its actually a server PCI card with a 2.5" onboard drive hence
the reason for only 40gb.

Desk Rabbit · Oct 22, 2009

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com wrote:
> Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array which
> basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then partitioned
> into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).
>
> We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 40Gb
> drive.
>
> Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and seems
> to install on the new internal disk.
>
> Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
> this because the boot disk is now totally different?
>
> Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using bootcfg
> () sort this out?
>
> Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I know
> this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?

Putting aside the fact that running a server on a single drive is a bad
idea (For bad read "a really stupid and dumb thing to do"), googling for
the correct error message will bring forth any number of solutions for
this very common question.

This for example:-

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com · Oct 22, 2009

On Oct 22, 2:43 pm, Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
> BertieBigBol...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array which
> > basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then partitioned
> > into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).
>
> > We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 40Gb
> > drive.
>
> > Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and seems
> > to install on the new internal disk.
>
> > Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
> > this because the boot disk is now totally different?
>
> > Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using bootcfg
> > () sort this out?
>
> > Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I know
> > this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?
>
> Putting aside the fact that running a server on a single drive is a bad
> idea (For bad read "a really stupid and dumb thing to do"), googling for
> the correct error message will bring forth any number of solutions for
> this very common question.
>
> This for example:-http://www.motherboard.windowsreinstall.com/problems.htm- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

OK. It might run Windows 2000 server but its not a server as such. Its
a single board PC in a chassis of 6 of them, that runs windows 2000
and an application.

Sid Elbow · Oct 22, 2009

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com wrote:

> Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and seems
> to install on the new internal disk.
>
> Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
> this because the boot disk is now totally different?

Assuming the hardware is in order (correct drive jumpering, good cables,
drive recognised properly in the BIOS ....

If you restored to a fresh (unpartitioned) drive, Ghost won't
automatically make any partition it creates it active (bootable). Check
with FDisk, Partition Magic or whatever partitioning program you have to
see if that's the case and make it bootable.

If that works and the partition then boots, you may yet have some
problems with the Windows installation if it has been set up for the
raid hardware.

philo · Oct 22, 2009

Sid Elbow wrote:
> BertieBigBollox@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and seems
>> to install on the new internal disk.
>>
>> Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
>> this because the boot disk is now totally different?
>
>
> Assuming the hardware is in order (correct drive jumpering, good cables,
> drive recognised properly in the BIOS ....
>
> If you restored to a fresh (unpartitioned) drive, Ghost won't
> automatically make any partition it creates it active (bootable). Check
> with FDisk, Partition Magic or whatever partitioning program you have to
> see if that's the case and make it bootable.
>
> If that works and the partition then boots, you may yet have some
> problems with the Windows installation if it has been set up for the
> raid hardware.

That's not it. K-man is right

need to run fixboot (and/or fixmbr) from the repair console

a RAID device uses a boot *signature* in boot.ini so when cloned to a
single drive the RAID signature is invalid

Zootal · Oct 22, 2009

"BertieBigBollox@gmail.com" <bertiebigbollox@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7a17e43b-b6af-474d-abe6-a995e5acda77@m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array which
> basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then partitioned
> into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).
>
> We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 40Gb
> drive.
>
> Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and seems
> to install on the new internal disk.
>
> Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
> this because the boot disk is now totally different?
>
> Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using bootcfg
> () sort this out?
>
> Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I know
> this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?

Bite the bullet and just reinstall Windows from scratch. If you had, you
would be done by now instead of still reading usenet messages trying to
figure out how to get it to work

Sid Elbow · Oct 22, 2009

philo wrote:
> Sid Elbow wrote:
>> BertieBigBollox@gmail.com wrote:

> That's not it. K-man is right

It was my assumption the message was coming from the initial (BIOS)
boot. But If it's coming from the Windows boot, then yes, I agree.

philo · Oct 22, 2009

Sid Elbow wrote:
> philo wrote:
>> Sid Elbow wrote:
>>> BertieBigBollox@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> That's not it. K-man is right
>
> It was my assumption the message was coming from the initial (BIOS)
> boot. But If it's coming from the Windows boot, then yes, I agree.

I hate it when the k-man is right

LOL

Pegasus [MVP] · Oct 22, 2009

"BertieBigBollox@gmail.com" <bertiebigbollox@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2a5fd3de-d6f6-4460-a330-564df96ba911@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 22, 12:54 pm, "Pegasus [MVP]" <n...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> "BertieBigBol...@gmail.com" <bertiebigbol...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7a17e43b-b6af-474d-abe6-a995e5acda77@m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array which
> > basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then partitioned
> > into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).
>
> > We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 40Gb
> > drive.
>
> > Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and seems
> > to install on the new internal disk.
>
> > Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
> > this because the boot disk is now totally different?
>
> > Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using bootcfg
> > () sort this out?
>
> > Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I know
> > this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?
>
> Windows is probably still looking for the SCSI RAID array driver. I would
> do
> this to make it use an IDE controller.
> 1. Create or obtain a Bart PE boot CD.
> 2. Test the Bart CD. It must give you full access to the Windows System
> partition.
> 3. Back up the System hive of the registry.
> 4. Boot the machine with the Bart CD and check if you can see both the
> System hive and its backup copy.
> 5. Working through the Control Panel / System / Device Manager, change the
> IDE ATA/ATAPI Controller from whatever it is to the Standard Dual Channel
> PCI/IDE Controller.
> 6. Create your clone disk.
> 7. Disconnect the SCSI RAID controller and boot the machine with the IDE
> disk.
> 8. If this fails, restore the original System hive from its backup copy,
> using the Bart boot CD.
>
> By the way, I think it is short-sighted to use a 40 GByte IDE disk for
> your
> server. Use a 150 or 200 GByte disk to give you some elbow room! Make the
> System partition 20 GBytes and use the rest for your data.- Hide quoted
> text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Couldnt I get windows to look for the IDE disk using bootcfg?

===============

Acronis TrueImage with Universal Restore will cause this to happen - at a
price.

John Holmes · Oct 22, 2009

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com "contributed" in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:

> On Oct 22, 2:43 pm, Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
>> BertieBigBol...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array
>> > which basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then
>> > partitioned into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).
>>
>> > We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 40Gb
>> > drive.
>>
>> > Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and
>> > seems to install on the new internal disk.
>>
>> > Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
>> > this because the boot disk is now totally different?
>>
>> > Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using
>> > bootcfg () sort this out?
>>
>> > Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I
>> > know this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?
>>
>> Putting aside the fact that running a server on a single drive is a
>> bad idea (For bad read "a really stupid and dumb thing to do"),
>> googling for the correct error message will bring forth any number
>> of solutions for this very common question.
>>
>> This for
>> example:-http://www.motherboard.windowsreinstall.com/problems.ht 
> m- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> OK. It might run Windows 2000 server but its not a server as such. Its
> a single board PC in a chassis of 6 of them, that runs windows 2000
> and an application.

Do you even know what a "server" is supposed to do?

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Desk Rabbit · Oct 23, 2009

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 22, 2:43 pm, Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
>> BertieBigBol...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array which
>>> basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then partitioned
>>> into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).
>>> We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 40Gb
>>> drive.
>>> Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and seems
>>> to install on the new internal disk.
>>> Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
>>> this because the boot disk is now totally different?
>>> Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using bootcfg
>>> () sort this out?
>>> Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I know
>>> this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?
>> Putting aside the fact that running a server on a single drive is a bad
>> idea (For bad read "a really stupid and dumb thing to do"), googling for
>> the correct error message will bring forth any number of solutions for
>> this very common question.
>>
>> This for example:-http://www.motherboard.windowsreinstall.com/problems.htm- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> OK. It might run Windows 2000 server but its not a server as such. Its
> a single board PC in a chassis of 6 of them, that runs windows 2000
> and an application.

I can only assume then that this is not a critical application and when
this single disk dies you can cope with the downtime required for
obtaining a replacement drive and restoring the O/S & data.

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com · Oct 23, 2009

> Do you even know what a "server" is supposed to do?

Ho Hum. Cant go into details because of the nature of the application.
But its a specifically built chassis running several PC 'cards'
running windows 2000 server and running specific custom applications.

Desk Rabbit · Oct 23, 2009

John Holmes wrote:
> BertieBigBollox@gmail.com "contributed" in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2:43 pm, Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
>>> BertieBigBol...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array
>>>> which basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then
>>>> partitioned into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).
>>>> We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 40Gb
>>>> drive.
>>>> Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and
>>>> seems to install on the new internal disk.
>>>> Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
>>>> this because the boot disk is now totally different?
>>>> Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using
>>>> bootcfg () sort this out?
>>>> Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I
>>>> know this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?
>>> Putting aside the fact that running a server on a single drive is a
>>> bad idea (For bad read "a really stupid and dumb thing to do"),
>>> googling for the correct error message will bring forth any number
>>> of solutions for this very common question.
>>>
>>> This for
>>> example:-http://www.motherboard.windowsreinstall.com/problems.ht 
>> m- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> OK. It might run Windows 2000 server but its not a server as such. Its
>> a single board PC in a chassis of 6 of them, that runs windows 2000
>> and an application.
>
> Do you even know what a "server" is supposed to do?
> 
IMHO it is evident from the fact that the question was even asked in the
first place that this computing stuff is new to him.

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com · Oct 23, 2009

On Oct 23, 9:30 am, Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
> John Holmes wrote:
> > BertieBigBol...@gmail.com "contributed" in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>
> >> On Oct 22, 2:43 pm, Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
> >>> BertieBigBol...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array
> >>>> which basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then
> >>>> partitioned into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).
> >>>> We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 40Gb
> >>>> drive.
> >>>> Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and
> >>>> seems to install on the new internal disk.
> >>>> Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
> >>>> this because the boot disk is now totally different?
> >>>> Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using
> >>>> bootcfg () sort this out?
> >>>> Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I
> >>>> know this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?
> >>> Putting aside the fact that running a server on a single drive is a
> >>> bad idea (For bad read "a really stupid and dumb thing to do"),
> >>> googling for the correct error message will bring forth any number
> >>> of solutions for this very common question.
>
> >>> This for
> >>> example:-http://www.motherboard.windowsreinstall.com/problems.ht
> >> m- Hide quoted text -
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> OK. It might run Windows 2000 server but its not a server as such. Its
> >> a single board PC in a chassis of 6 of them, that runs windows 2000
> >> and an application.
>
> > Do you even know what a "server" is supposed to do?
>
> IMHO it is evident from the fact that the question was even asked in the
> first place that this computing stuff is new to him.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh dear. Someone thinks they know everything here...

§nühw¤£f · Oct 23, 2009

John Holmes <nospam.13inch@gmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile of
news:200910222125.n9MLPht21735@smtp.cobalt.loc:

> BertieBigBollox@gmail.com "contributed" in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2:43 pm, Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
>>> BertieBigBol...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array
>>> > which basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then
>>> > partitioned into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).
>>>
>>> > We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 
40Gb
>>> > drive.
>>>
>>> > Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and
>>> > seems to install on the new internal disk.
>>>
>>> > Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I 
assume
>>> > this because the boot disk is now totally different?
>>>
>>> > Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using
>>> > bootcfg () sort this out?
>>>
>>> > Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I
>>> > know this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?
>>>
>>> Putting aside the fact that running a server on a single drive is a
>>> bad idea (For bad read "a really stupid and dumb thing to do"),
>>> googling for the correct error message will bring forth any number
>>> of solutions for this very common question.
>>>
>>> This for
>>> example:-http://www.motherboard.windowsreinstall.com/problems.ht 
>> m- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> OK. It might run Windows 2000 server but its not a server as such. 
Its
>> a single board PC in a chassis of 6 of them, that runs windows 2000
>> and an application.
>
> Do you even know what a "server" is supposed to do?
> 

Depends. RADIUS, nntp,dns, pop...

Did I miss much?

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Desk Rabbit · Oct 23, 2009

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 23, 9:30 am, Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
>> John Holmes wrote:
>>> BertieBigBol...@gmail.com "contributed" in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>>>> On Oct 22, 2:43 pm, Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
>>>>> BertieBigBol...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Got a server that, at the moment, runs from hardware RAID array
>>>>>> which basically presents as a 36GB logical drive. This is then
>>>>>> partitioned into C, D and E (with windows 2000 on C).
>>>>>> We want to get rid of the RAID and just use a single internal 40Gb
>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>> Tried using Ghost and it backs up the RAID disks no problem, and
>>>>>> seems to install on the new internal disk.
>>>>>> Trouble is it fails to boot with UNACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. I assume
>>>>>> this because the boot disk is now totally different?
>>>>>> Is there any way to fix this? Would editing boot.ini or using
>>>>>> bootcfg () sort this out?
>>>>>> Or maybe use Acronis true image with universal restore because I
>>>>>> know this will restore to different hardware (unlike ghost)?
>>>>> Putting aside the fact that running a server on a single drive is a
>>>>> bad idea (For bad read "a really stupid and dumb thing to do"),
>>>>> googling for the correct error message will bring forth any number
>>>>> of solutions for this very common question.
>>>>> This for
>>>>> example:-http://www.motherboard.windowsreinstall.com/problems.ht
>>>> m- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> OK. It might run Windows 2000 server but its not a server as such. Its
>>>> a single board PC in a chassis of 6 of them, that runs windows 2000
>>>> and an application.
>>> Do you even know what a "server" is supposed to do?
>> IMHO it is evident from the fact that the question was even asked in the
>> first place that this computing stuff is new to him.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Oh dear. Someone thinks they know everything here...

I don't know everything but it's pretty obvious that I know a darn sight
more than you do.

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