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Malwarebytes, "the next generation"

Discussion in 'General Malware And Security' started by Rich M, Mar 28, 2014.

  1. Rich M

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    I have been very excited about the new updated version of Malwarebytes everyone is talking about with faster scans and more features but I am not reading what those new features are.

    Lost in this discussion is the fact that just at the point where I am considering whether or not I even want to resell it anymore, the program has become semi useless on the "prevention" side of the ticket. For some time the once nearly perfect scanner has been finding less and less Malware and it seems that now to effectively clean a pc, more and more different products are required.

    Why then when the product's effectiveness is waning does management feel justified in increasing the pricepoints drastically from where it was? I mean from $24.95 lifetime to $24.95 per year is an astronomical
    price increase and knowing this was coming, I have been very carefully reconsidering reselling this product and I think for now I will cease doing so because I am not convinced there is any real reason to buy it anymore. The "why" should be obvious. It's a clever way to pay for the obscurity I believe is in its future so if you want to help them, imbibe in the new "hype" but think carefully what you are really setting yourself up for please!

    My original reason for selling it was it was inexpensive and a good help in controlling Malware but if I had to "hang my hat on" its value running in the background, the value is not there any more and I believe it is just as effective used as a scanner with WOT running to protect from bad sites. Foolish and this is why great products eventually slide and end up in a high rate of failure IMHO.

    Remember Superantispyware where Malwarebytes in its infancy could not compete and once SAS slipped, it became useless just as this product will. I suppose part of the reason has to do with how an Antimalware works vs an Antivirus. The biggest difference is AntiMalware has no heuristics which is the ability to not like something and remove it as suspect without really knowing what it is. That is the main difference between the FREE Antivirus programs and the better paid ones is the value of stronger and stronger heuristics, which can make up for detecting the unknown. Most people don't know that Antivirus are evaluated based on their ability to spot virus "in the wild"which is actually a misnomer because it means known virus and yet sounds like the opposite. Not having been able to develop heuristics for AntiMalware programs is one of the reasons IMHO that such programs eventually fall into obscurity. Without heuristics, AntiMalware programs can only remove what it recognizes in it definitions database.
     
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    Sorry Rich but a few things need commenting on:

    So how do you account for this report i'm working on?

    If we discount the PUP's (Potentially Unwanted Programs) which are normally Adware/Spyware based.
    This is brief list of the infections found:
    Trojan.Agent
    Trojan.Dropper
    Trojan.FakeMS
    Trojan.Backdoor
    Rootkit.0Access
    Malware.Packer.as


    This might be worth reading then:
    Premium Malwarebytes adds heuristics to support Windows XP

    Not really that much difference .... Anti Virus is an out of date expression.
    Emsisoft Anti-Malware ( which also uses heuristics ) explains why they are not called an Anti Virus program:
     
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    Hey Pete no need to be sorry, its opinions we are dealing with and I really failed to follow my own rules and IMHO a bunch of those sentences.
    In the first sentence I wasn't really talking about scanning ability which is why I used the word "prevention" and I failed to state that properly anyway. The second sentence should have said
    "For some time the once nearly perfect scanner has been repelling less and less Malware and rejecting fewer and fewer sites" as that is what I meant to say.

    Adding heuristics to XP is not really much help except to those who grip own head securely and bury under the sand with an ancient OS. We need this in Windows 7&8 so the fact they are doing it for XP does suggest its a trial run for them. nevertheless I am glad to see they may be on the way to a break through there Pete, that is what is missing I think in all these products. However this is not the first time Mbam claimed it had heuristics and I have yet to see that proven in earlier remarks to that effect. Emsisoft is a good up and coming product but seldom finds half what the better scanners do in my experience and I have not tested the paid version so I have no clue about site protection though. I also have been liking Hitman Pro and I believe that is where the next new superstar will come from as Mbam declines in sales, something I predict will begin real soon because I have yet to talk to a pc business owner who intends to sell Mbam anymore...

    I agree that discussions of Antivirus products would be a bit silly since they have been seldom seen for years, but remember that Antivirus is what the box says the software is still and we both know an Antivirus does a lot more than repel virus anyway. Antivirus software is still the primary Trojan remover and some have shown to be far more effective against rootkits. I can't really speak about many others but I have seen Nod32 blow out a lot of adware recently as well, that free programs like Mse and Avira never touched. When I ran those tests on Windows 8 natural defenses, Nod32 had the fastest response time to site protection and frankly the only time I saw Mbam report any of these was after I uninstalled Nod32 for the second leg of those tests, and in most cases Wot came up first as well when Nod32 was uninstalled...

    Nothing personal I posted this here to see what you guys in Security had to say about all of this anyway. I had started to post it under software and then moved it here for that reason.
     
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    Hi Rich,

    I think you may have mis-read the report.

    It's the basis of the new version so is there for Win7/Win8 as well.
    They are only saying that this may help owners of Win XP.

    If you knew half of the things that i know... you'd take anything that WOT says with a pinch of salt.

    Unless you have not tested the paid for version..... you can't really say that it finds half of what the better scans do.
    But that can be remedied.
     
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    "I think you may have mis-read the report.
    It's the basis of the new version so is there for Win7/Win8 as well.
    They are only saying that this may help owners of Win XP."
    Indeed I did thanks Pete!!!!!

    "If you knew half of the things that i know... you'd take anything that WOT says with a pinch of salt."
    Lets not open this can of worms because I know the WOT is not infallible, but it sure beats what isn't in second place and it is improving all the time in my eyes Pete.

    "Unless you have not tested the paid for version..... you can't really say that it finds half of what the better scans do."

    Pete I have only used the emergency Emsisoft so I do look forward to testing the Full version one of these days. Is that your preferred? What is your impression of Hitman Pro?
    I like it a lot I am just not seeing it find everything but again that is true of every Malware product out there I have ever tested!
     
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    That's why i didn't elaborate. :)

    Have only run it once, just to see how it worked.
    So am not really conversant with it enough to make any judgement.
     
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    I have used Hitman Pro quite a bit in client homes and it is a really thorough scanner, I just felt for the price I was expecting it to be top notch and that I just do not find it to be.
    The "kickstarter" to get through Ransomeware, is an awesome product though!
     

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