How to copy files with permissions plus the users from a stand alone server to another?

I have a stand alone Windows 2000 with tens of users. The machine has
folders with NTFS permissions beloning to the users. I need to copy
these files with their permissions and recreate the users on a stand
alone Windows 2003 server.

What's the best way to achive this? My idea was to use addusers.exe
from the resource kit to export the users to a file and recreate them
on the other machine. Then use a tool like Robocopy or Xcopy or
Acronis's TrueImage to copy the files to the other machine.
Would that work?
Wouldn't the SID values on the files be different and the ACL
permissions wouldn't work?

Any better ideas?

There's a commercial product called SecureCopy from ScriptLogic.com
which seems to do the job but its cost is beyond my budget.

Tony Barken

 

Tony Barken <tonybarken@noreply.noreply> wrote:
> I have a stand alone Windows 2000 with tens of users. The machine has
> folders with NTFS permissions beloning to the users. I need to copy
> these files with their permissions and recreate the users on a stand
> alone Windows 2003 server.
>
> What's the best way to achive this? My idea was to use addusers.exe
> from the resource kit to export the users to a file and recreate them
> on the other machine. Then use a tool like Robocopy or Xcopy or
> Acronis's TrueImage to copy the files to the other machine.
> Would that work?
> Wouldn't the SID values on the files be different and the ACL
> permissions wouldn't work?
>
> Any better ideas?
>
> There's a commercial product called SecureCopy from ScriptLogic.com
> which seems to do the job but its cost is beyond my budget.
>
> Tony Barken


You could look into ADMT - and NTBackup can back up and restore permissions.
I'm not sure this would work, though. Why not test and find out?

BTW, this is an excellent demonstration of why it's so much better to use a
domain model. ;-)

 

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:21:52 -0400, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:

>Tony Barken <tonybarken@noreply.noreply> wrote:
>> I have a stand alone Windows 2000 with tens of users. The machine has
>> folders with NTFS permissions beloning to the users. I need to copy
>> these files with their permissions and recreate the users on a stand
>> alone Windows 2003 server.
>>
>> What's the best way to achive this? My idea was to use addusers.exe
>> from the resource kit to export the users to a file and recreate them
>> on the other machine. Then use a tool like Robocopy or Xcopy or
>> Acronis's TrueImage to copy the files to the other machine.
>> Would that work?
>> Wouldn't the SID values on the files be different and the ACL
>> permissions wouldn't work?
>>
>> Any better ideas?
>>
>> There's a commercial product called SecureCopy from ScriptLogic.com
>> which seems to do the job but its cost is beyond my budget.
>>
>> Tony Barken
>
>
>You could look into ADMT - and NTBackup can back up and restore permissions.
>I'm not sure this would work, though. Why not test and find out?
>
>BTW, this is an excellent demonstration of why it's so much better to use a
>domain model. ;-)


I downloaded ADMT 3.1 and ran it on an XP just to check it out and it
said it wasn't a valid Win32 app. My two machines are stand alone and
are not part of a domain. So are you sure this tool will work. Active
Directroy implies machines connected using Active Directory.

I have a simple set up. Involving a domain means I need a domain
controller and this will compliate matters.

Tony Barken

 

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:31:30 -0700, Tony Barken <tonybarken@noreply.noreply>
wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:21:52 -0400, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
><lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Tony Barken <tonybarken@noreply.noreply> wrote:
>>> I have a stand alone Windows 2000 with tens of users. The machine has
>>> folders with NTFS permissions beloning to the users. I need to copy
>>> these files with their permissions and recreate the users on a stand
>>> alone Windows 2003 server.
>>>
>>> What's the best way to achive this? My idea was to use addusers.exe
>>> from the resource kit to export the users to a file and recreate them
>>> on the other machine. Then use a tool like Robocopy or Xcopy or
>>> Acronis's TrueImage to copy the files to the other machine.
>>> Would that work?
>>> Wouldn't the SID values on the files be different and the ACL
>>> permissions wouldn't work?
>>>
>>> Any better ideas?
>>>
>>> There's a commercial product called SecureCopy from ScriptLogic.com
>>> which seems to do the job but its cost is beyond my budget.
>>>
>>> Tony Barken
>>
>>
>>You could look into ADMT - and NTBackup can back up and restore permissions.
>>I'm not sure this would work, though. Why not test and find out?
>>
>>BTW, this is an excellent demonstration of why it's so much better to use a
>>domain model. ;-)
>
>
>I downloaded ADMT 3.1 and ran it on an XP just to check it out and it
>said it wasn't a valid Win32 app. My two machines are stand alone and
>are not part of a domain. So are you sure this tool will work. Active
>Directroy implies machines connected using Active Directory.
>
>I have a simple set up. Involving a domain means I need a domain
>controller and this will compliate matters.
I think you are wrong. Having a domain will simplify matters a lot. Unless you
have just one or two users. I believe MS say the domain is easier if there are
10 or more users. Personally I think it is better if there are more than 2 or 3
users. If you already have a server then a Domain does not cost you any money.

For your problem though look at SUBINACL, it's about as friendly to use an a
alligator but does have the functionality to change ACLs from one SID to another
although I have never used it for that only to change the ownership or files.



>Tony Barken
--
Dave Mills
There are 10 types of people, those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Tony Barken <tonybarken@noreply.noreply> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:21:52 -0400, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Tony Barken <tonybarken@noreply.noreply> wrote:
>>> I have a stand alone Windows 2000 with tens of users. The machine
>>> has folders with NTFS permissions beloning to the users. I need to
>>> copy these files with their permissions and recreate the users on a
>>> stand alone Windows 2003 server.
>>>
>>> What's the best way to achive this? My idea was to use addusers.exe
>>> from the resource kit to export the users to a file and recreate
>>> them on the other machine. Then use a tool like Robocopy or Xcopy or
>>> Acronis's TrueImage to copy the files to the other machine.
>>> Would that work?
>>> Wouldn't the SID values on the files be different and the ACL
>>> permissions wouldn't work?
>>>
>>> Any better ideas?
>>>
>>> There's a commercial product called SecureCopy from ScriptLogic.com
>>> which seems to do the job but its cost is beyond my budget.
>>>
>>> Tony Barken
>>
>>
>> You could look into ADMT - and NTBackup can back up and restore
>> permissions. I'm not sure this would work, though. Why not test and
>> find out?
>>
>> BTW, this is an excellent demonstration of why it's so much better
>> to use a domain model. ;-)
>
>
> I downloaded ADMT 3.1 and ran it on an XP just to check it out and it
> said it wasn't a valid Win32 app. My two machines are stand alone and
> are not part of a domain. So are you sure this tool will work. Active
> Directroy implies machines connected using Active Directory.

You're right; I wrote without thinking it through.
>
> I have a simple set up. Involving a domain means I need a domain
> controller and this will compliate matters.

You already have a Windows server. Hence you could have a domain. I myself
find workgroups immensely more complicated to administer.
>
> Tony Barken

 

Hello,

if the original server will no be used anymore then you can use a cloning /
imaging tool :

When you use a cloning tool like TrueImage or Ghost it will create an exact
copy (image) of the orginal machine including all users, SIDs and
permissions.
I have used Ghost serveral times and found it reliable.
When you restore the image to another machine you can for example change
sizes of partitions etc.

However, to restore the image you probably need a (relativly) similar
hardware on the target machine....

bye
Heinz

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>
>
> I have a stand alone Windows 2000 with tens of users. The machine has
> folders with NTFS permissions beloning to the users. I need to copy
> these files with their permissions and recreate the users on a stand
> alone Windows 2003 server.
>
> What's the best way to achive this? My idea was to use addusers.exe
> from the resource kit to export the users to a file and recreate them
> on the other machine. Then use a tool like Robocopy or Xcopy or
> Acronis's TrueImage to copy the files to the other machine.
> Would that work?
> Wouldn't the SID values on the files be different and the ACL
> permissions wouldn't work?
>
> Any better ideas?
>
> There's a commercial product called SecureCopy from ScriptLogic.com
> which seems to do the job but its cost is beyond my budget.
>
> Tony Barken
>
>

 

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:09:44 +0100, DaveMills
<DaveMills@newsgroup.nospam> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:31:30 -0700, Tony Barken <tonybarken@noreply.noreply>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:21:52 -0400, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>><lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Tony Barken <tonybarken@noreply.noreply> wrote:
>>>> I have a stand alone Windows 2000 with tens of users. The machine has
>>>> folders with NTFS permissions beloning to the users. I need to copy
>>>> these files with their permissions and recreate the users on a stand
>>>> alone Windows 2003 server.
>>>>
>>>> What's the best way to achive this? My idea was to use addusers.exe
>>>> from the resource kit to export the users to a file and recreate them
>>>> on the other machine. Then use a tool like Robocopy or Xcopy or
>>>> Acronis's TrueImage to copy the files to the other machine.
>>>> Would that work?
>>>> Wouldn't the SID values on the files be different and the ACL
>>>> permissions wouldn't work?
>>>>
>>>> Any better ideas?
>>>>
>>>> There's a commercial product called SecureCopy from ScriptLogic.com
>>>> which seems to do the job but its cost is beyond my budget.
>>>>
>>>> Tony Barken
>>>
>>>
>>>You could look into ADMT - and NTBackup can back up and restore permissions.
>>>I'm not sure this would work, though. Why not test and find out?
>>>
>>>BTW, this is an excellent demonstration of why it's so much better to use a
>>>domain model. ;-)
>>
>>
>>I downloaded ADMT 3.1 and ran it on an XP just to check it out and it
>>said it wasn't a valid Win32 app. My two machines are stand alone and
>>are not part of a domain. So are you sure this tool will work. Active
>>Directroy implies machines connected using Active Directory.
>>
>>I have a simple set up. Involving a domain means I need a domain
>>controller and this will compliate matters.
>I think you are wrong. Having a domain will simplify matters a lot. Unless you
>have just one or two users. I believe MS say the domain is easier if there are
>10 or more users. Personally I think it is better if there are more than 2 or 3
>users. If you already have a server then a Domain does not cost you any money.
>
>For your problem though look at SUBINACL, it's about as friendly to use an a
>alligator but does have the functionality to change ACLs from one SID to another
>although I have never used it for that only to change the ownership or files.


My computers already exist and work fine. Creating a domain and
joining it might introduce new issues. My migrating is a one time
thing and I do not want to take new risks. Creating a domain is good
when one is setting up a new environment.

 

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:36:22 +0200, "Heinz"
<Spacewalker4711(noSpam)@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>if the original server will no be used anymore then you can use a cloning /
>imaging tool :
>
>When you use a cloning tool like TrueImage or Ghost it will create an exact
>copy (image) of the orginal machine including all users, SIDs and
>permissions.
>I have used Ghost serveral times and found it reliable.
>When you restore the image to another machine you can for example change
>sizes of partitions etc.
>
>However, to restore the image you probably need a (relativly) similar
>hardware on the target machine....
>
>bye
>Heinz


The destination server already exists and is live. I can't clone to
it. It will wipe everything.

Tony Barken









>
>"Tony Barken" <tonybarken@noreply.noreply> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>news:c895v4ddmgu0l6oq8op6rhi8rv89506gmm@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> I have a stand alone Windows 2000 with tens of users. The machine has
>> folders with NTFS permissions beloning to the users. I need to copy
>> these files with their permissions and recreate the users on a stand
>> alone Windows 2003 server.
>>
>> What's the best way to achive this? My idea was to use addusers.exe
>> from the resource kit to export the users to a file and recreate them
>> on the other machine. Then use a tool like Robocopy or Xcopy or
>> Acronis's TrueImage to copy the files to the other machine.
>> Would that work?
>> Wouldn't the SID values on the files be different and the ACL
>> permissions wouldn't work?
>>
>> Any better ideas?
>>
>> There's a commercial product called SecureCopy from ScriptLogic.com
>> which seems to do the job but its cost is beyond my budget.
>>
>> Tony Barken
>>
>>
>