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Do you loose the admin TS license whenin applicztion mode with Device CALs

Discussion in 'Windows Home Server' started by Tony Vrolyk, Oct 5, 2009.

  1. Tony Vrolyk

    Tony Vrolyk Guest

    We have taken over a client with Windows 2003 with TS in application mode
    that is in need of additional TS device CALs and we need to know if we
    should count devices where we login to administer the server. I can see
    devices listed in the licensing manager that I know were only used to login
    as administrator so it would seem we need to count those as well. However I
    did not see the PC I was connected from at the time so I am bit confused. I
    read the TS licensing documentation and couldn't find anything that
    explicityly said either way that you loose the admin licenses or not.

    I would appreciate some enlightenment.

    Thanks
    Tony
     
  2. Tony Vrolyk

    Tony Vrolyk Guest

    Re: Do you loose the admin TS license whenin applicztion mode with Dev

    You don't lose the token permanently, but you do lose those tokens for a
    time which can take up a token that is intended for a 'real' client should
    that client's temp token expire and there are no others available.
    Especially if you administer the server from multiple devices. Even if you
    try to only administer from one remote location there is always the
    possibilty of accidentally connecting in from a different device and once
    the session is established there is no way to invalidate the token.

    And you do loose the two built-in administrative TS licenses, don't you? TS
    has no way of differentiating between an 'application sharing' user and an
    'administrator' user at least from a licensing perspective - correct?

    Tony

    "Cláudio Rodrigues [MVP]" <CludioRodriguesMVP@discussions.microsoft.com>
    wrote in message news:C2A40FC5-E616-4E18-B76C-8ACDDCEDBF18@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > If you are always managing the TSs from the same device, it will indeed
    > grab
    > a license. Keep in mind if you use one device for a couple weeks and never
    > again, that license goes back to the pool after up to 89 days so you
    > actually
    > do not 'lose' that license.
    >
    > Cláudio Rodrigues
    > CEO, WTSLabs Inc.
    >
    >
    >
    > Citrix CTP
    > Quest Provision Networks VIP
    >
    > "Tony Vrolyk" wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> We have taken over a client with Windows 2003 with TS in application mode
    >> that is in need of additional TS device CALs and we need to know if we
    >> should count devices where we login to administer the server. I can see
    >> devices listed in the licensing manager that I know were only used to
    >> login
    >> as administrator so it would seem we need to count those as well. However
    >> I
    >> did not see the PC I was connected from at the time so I am bit confused.
    >> I
    >> read the TS licensing documentation and couldn't find anything that
    >> explicityly said either way that you loose the admin licenses or not.
    >>
    >> I would appreciate some enlightenment.
    >>
    >> Thanks
    >> Tony
    >>
    >>
    >> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
  3. Re: Do you loose the admin TS license whenin applicztion mode withDev

    Tony Vrolyk wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > You don't lose the token permanently, but you do lose those tokens for a
    > time which can take up a token that is intended for a 'real' client should
    > that client's temp token expire and there are no others available.
    > Especially if you administer the server from multiple devices. Even if you
    > try to only administer from one remote location there is always the
    > possibilty of accidentally connecting in from a different device and once
    > the session is established there is no way to invalidate the token.
    >
    > And you do loose the two built-in administrative TS licenses, don't you? TS
    > has no way of differentiating between an 'application sharing' user and an
    > 'administrator' user at least from a licensing perspective - correct?
    >
    > Tony
    >
    > "Cláudio Rodrigues [MVP]" <CludioRodriguesMVP@discussions.microsoft.com>
    > wrote in message news:C2A40FC5-E616-4E18-B76C-8ACDDCEDBF18@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> If you are always managing the TSs from the same device, it will indeed
    >> grab
    >> a license. Keep in mind if you use one device for a couple weeks and never
    >> again, that license goes back to the pool after up to 89 days so you
    >> actually
    >> do not 'lose' that license.
    >>
    >> Cláudio Rodrigues
    >> CEO, WTSLabs Inc.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Citrix CTP
    >> Quest Provision Networks VIP
    >>
    >> "Tony Vrolyk" wrote:
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> We have taken over a client with Windows 2003 with TS in application mode
    >>> that is in need of additional TS device CALs and we need to know if we
    >>> should count devices where we login to administer the server. I can see
    >>> devices listed in the licensing manager that I know were only used to
    >>> login
    >>> as administrator so it would seem we need to count those as well. However
    >>> I
    >>> did not see the PC I was connected from at the time so I am bit confused.
    >>> I
    >>> read the TS licensing documentation and couldn't find anything that
    >>> explicityly said either way that you loose the admin licenses or not.
    >>>
    >>> I would appreciate some enlightenment.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks
    >>> Tony
    >>>
    >>>
    >>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    Correct. Well when a client needs a license you can always get rid of
    the temporary, expired license that is on their PC. So really at the end
    you should have no issues whatsoever.

    --
    Claudio Rodrigues
    CEO, WTSLabs Inc.


    "WebTS: TSWeb the way it should have been done since day one"

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  4. Tony Vrolyk

    Tony Vrolyk Guest

  5. Re: Do you loose the admin TS license whenin applicztion mode with

    Oh my bad not mentioning it. If connecting using older clients the switch is
    actually /console. /admin is for the newer ones ewer servers.
    But there is a catch here. You are limited to two connections over RDP plus
    the console itself.
    I know many places where they require more than 2 admins connected so in
    this case this would not work at all.
    Also be careful as if you connect using this switch and your connection
    drops and remains active on the TS, as soon as you reach the two active
    connections limit you will NOT be able to connect again remotely. I have seen
    people locked out several times.
    Make sure you set timeouts accordingly to avoid locking yourself up.
    Without the switch this problem does NOT happen of course.

    --
    Claudio Rodrigues
    CEO, WTSLabs Inc.


    "WebTS: TSWeb the way it should have been done since day one"

    Citrix CTP
    Provision Networks VIP

    Make sure you download our free guide about Terminal Services.
    An A to Z guide, explaining everything, from setting it up to enabling
    group policies. A must read and again, completely free.


    "Tony Vrolyk" wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Thank you. I didn't know that switch existed and will perfectly deal with
    > the situation.
    >
    > Tony
    >
    >
    > "Silvia Doomra [MSFT]" <sdoomra@microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:usHZc0mRKHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > For Administrators you can use /admin switch. I.e. mstsc /admin
    > >
    > > this won't consume a CAL.
    > > For more details, please check:
    > >

    > >
    > > Hope that helps!
    > > Thanks
    > > Silvia
    > > Remote Desktop Services Team Blog:

    > >
    > > "Tony Vrolyk" <nospam@isp.com> wrote in message
    > > news:#5uX$qdRKHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    > >> We have taken over a client with Windows 2003 with TS in application mode
    > >> that is in need of additional TS device CALs and we need to know if we
    > >> should count devices where we login to administer the server. I can see
    > >> devices listed in the licensing manager that I know were only used to
    > >> login as administrator so it would seem we need to count those as well.
    > >> However I did not see the PC I was connected from at the time so I am bit
    > >> confused. I read the TS licensing documentation and couldn't find
    > >> anything that explicityly said either way that you loose the admin
    > >> licenses or not.
    > >>
    > >> I would appreciate some enlightenment.
    > >>
    > >> Thanks
    > >> Tony
    > >> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     

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