Another New Build

Nice build. DDR4 yes if and when you go Intel socket 1151. I like your build as is. Should serve you very well for at least a few years. Offhand I can't think of anything you need if it runs well that is the best thing that can happen anyway. I would be quite happy with that build, or Rich's build. though in Rich's case I would be sure to tuck those wires better. Possibly, if you like really good sound maybe a really nice premium soundcard.

 

I got 3 full wires from the psu under the hard drive caddies and it still looks crowded but there are a lot of extra wires on that psu though all are in use now and the media reader has 3 wires and even the usb 3.0 has two wires for it so there is a lot to cover there.
The startup jumpers are higher than normal on a full size board and the wires from the case are twice as long as usual ones but its cleaner now with better air flow.

 

Yes it has the cutouts but you failed to see my comment on the extremely short standoffs and the way back position of the base. There isn't enough room to close the right side if I ran the thick 24 pin cable behind it and you can also see the video pci cable isn't long enough to duck behind and bring back. Look at those slots and you will see in the one photo how close they are to the right side of the case. believe me for this price I would love to do that. I have a Seasonic modular I could use but after I gave him a final price also even though he says he doesn't care that won't make it run better so all it would do is raise the price a lot to make me feel better. There are actually three usb cables plus the blue usb 3.0 cable as opposed to one and 3 cables from the media card reader where usually I just velcro a card reader to the top of the case. If I do something like this again I will add in a modular psu which would have made a big difference.

 

C'mon man! with respect I don't understand you are a seasoned builder right - you can do better than that.

 

I tried to run the cables back there before I ever installed the mobo and they are fine if you don't want to close that side of the case. The other problem is the cables are not long enough to run out and back either. Looks like a startup company and I am sure they will correct this problem in other cases. If I had used a micro board it would have worked and I normally do use Micro but I was worried they might come back wanting a sound card later or something else requiring more room and I didn't want to be in the same situation I was in my AMD build before and had you not told me something I some how missed (that the second pci-x slot was for any pcie card, I would never have fit the sound card in because these video cards take up so much room these days. But right now there is plenty of air space and believe me these folks are not going to open the case and complain about wire placement either. The son is an IT but a novice with hardware.

 

Hi Rich. The air space is impeded with that wiring the way it is. Someone will pull that cover off one day just to blow the dust out of it.
They will say who the *&^((*&& built this computer.
Start at the PSU small thin cable ties and make a harness out of the lot. I have done it many times.Like a tree and branch out where you need to cable tying it as you go.Any cables too long just reverse back down the harness and back up till it has to branch out. The case fan wire can go straight down and behind the graphics card next to the case where there is a gap then run it along under the graphics card over to the harness. The case wires can come down and join the harness also and same cable tying. Can't impede the air as it will run from the bottom up next to the hard drive enclosures. Look professional and worth the effort.I would never leave wires everywhere like that, Rich. Just making a few suggestions that have worked for me.

 

I know how to do what you are saying and thanks for the great explanation Dougie. I can make one more effort. But again someone
of my clients opening a case to clean anything, that will never happen!

 

When I wire a case I sort of approach it like an artist would a painting. You don't have to do that but what you can to is take a little bit from that philosophy. I hope this helps.

What I do before I install a motherboard in the case is read the case documentation fully so that I won't miss anything hopefully, and I also look on youtube for others that may have already built with the case although half the time I don't do that because I have been building for ages and I kind of want my own style and I know what I like.

Once the board is installed along with the power supply unit (PSU) I pull every cable out of the case towards me as I am sitting there still studying the case and I lay the cables flat as I can on the build table in front of me which the case is sitting on. I then separate like-like cables with each other. Main ATX 24 Pin by itself and each strand out by itself. Getting a view of all your cables laid out separately can be quite relaxing because you see how easy everything will be and you can clearly see the function of each cable instead of a huge "gob" of cables and just untying them there in the case and trying to route them from that dangling "gob". I don't do it that way, I lay them out and look at them for a while, and while they lay there I listen to music and study the case in a relaxed mood every crevice and every nook. Especially the ones that might be convenient for routing and/or partially or fully hiding the cables depending on the particular customer type. I make sure the back side of the case is open too in case I need more extreme cabling or to tie up some unused cables.

In the case of a common customer, like your build here, I would use the backside of the case behind the regular HDD bay to crimp or "curve in" the main ATX connector to take out slack, and simply loop it back to the motherboard with the slack mostly gone. If the board has cutouts for that I use them typically but if the cable is REALLY thick sometimes I use this curve-loopback method.. To keep a common build like that more pragmatic I have already bundled up the entire strand of cable you won't be using and either hide them in an unused 3 1/2" drive bay (zip tied or many times I use a really thick rubber band). Tucked away neatly -- out of sight.

Then I take the strand from the PSU that I am going to use and smartly run them starting from the bottom backside of the case, using holes where I can find them if I need them to help route or hide. and I go upwards towards the optical, and SATA SSD. Always keeping things as much towards the back as I can out of sight. Cabling I really enjoy to me it's like origami. It's the last piece of the build to tie up your masterpiece! Which this build you posted is. So if possible you want your signature (which is your cabling) to represent the time you spent professionally building it. It's your signature

 

I do similar if using the type of PSU Rich used only I use all cable ties. The rubber bands here are rubbish.
After laying them out I always hook up the 24 pin first and that gives me something firm to tie to.
Any excess cables I feed along the bottom and hide in Hard Drive tray tied of course.
Excess top cables coming from case I hide normally on top of the cd/dvd burner.
I will not buy PSU's unless modular or semi modular.
I am so fussy about making the wiring as perfect as possible and that takes initial planning.

 

Well I use both modular and non and it doesn't make a huge difference to me I can make a non-modular power supply work nearly as well. What matters most to me is that I cable it well and even before I build a computer for a client I basically interview their own experience level and how I think it would be best to do it. I am not looking for perfection in my routing I am looking how to make it look very nice but at the same time practical fort the customer to open the case and add drives or do what they want. Obviously if a customer is a high end client I will do an extreme hiding job because it is likely that they will post pictures of it themselves, even in forums, which they have. With more conservative clients like the one Rich built for here, which by the way are just as important as a higher end client to me, I reach for making it pretty but at the same time easy enough for them to only have to snip a zip tie or two to do what they need to do, which if need be, and if I determine they need that direction I will give it to them in my initial consultation and the end build consultation.

 

I think one thing you are both forgetting is the effort involved when you lead the cables back behind the case platform as well as other used and unused wires and then in rural areas like where I am and the Psu blows twice a year and it takes major surgery to remove a simple Psu which can mean 4 screws and unplugging a few devices my way. Try to get these people to use decent Ups devices that prevent this and it's like doing a root canal on 2 people at once with one tool. Both of you don't seem to mind having to remove both sides of the case to do anything as in the prior discussion of hard drives facing backwards inside the case but I build to be able to replace parts easily in a minimum of space. Even my own workspace is very limited and I really do not want to deal with all of that prettiness when in reality it makes doing anything inside the case BS extra work. And as for air flow, well really when we have a user who is using Photoshop or Auto Cad, well maybe case heat is an issue but the majority of my clients had Dell units with one fan for exhaust and hsf and their pc lasted 9 years without even a separate back exhaust fan so this is starting to sound like a exercise in monument building and ego building when what I do is to make repairs easy to do so I am in and out in 20 minutes changing a psu, not 3 hours and ultimately cutting out wires I can't even pull through to replace the psu. Neither of you go into homes repairing units with customers watching their minute hand on their watches because they know I am hourly and your way I would see one less person a day so let's let this rest until all 3 of you start going in and out of client homes at age 70 trying to please all my clueless customers who basically read email and book cruises on a computer, and that is about it!

 

Rich I think you are misunderstanding where to put the cables. You don't want them under the motherboard but rather behind the tray that the motherboard sit on. They would fit between the right hand case panel and the inside of the case itself. This makes removal of any wires as easy as removing the right side panel. I realize you might not think it makes a difference but looks can be important. If someone looks in that case it looks like a basket case. Spaghetti everywhere, where as if you tuck them it looks nice and clean. It really only takes a few minutes to do it. I understand some wires may not fit but even the ones that don't can be routed with some direction, not just all mis-mashed in a ball of twine. The case has two side panels use them, how much work is it to remove the second side panel? Two screws?