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Vista Defragmenter

Discussion in 'Windows Vista' started by ColTom2, Jul 21, 2009.

  1. ray

    ray Guest

    On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:34:41 -0700, Frank wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > ray wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:14:31 -0700, Frank wrote:
    >> <!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> ray wrote:
    >>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:36:22 -0700, Frank wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> +Bob+ wrote:
    >>>>>> On 23 Jul 2009 15:22:26 GMT, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I most certainly DO have it. And I did not mention Ubuntu until
    >>>>>>> YOU brought it up. I was merely making the point that in the 21st
    >>>>>>> century a properly designed file system does not need continual
    >>>>>>> defragging to maintain responsive performance. Please explain how
    >>>>>>> that is 'pushing' Ubuntu.
    >>>>>> MS started claiming when NT came out that NTFS did not need to be
    >>>>>> defragged. Actual performance measurement proved them incorrect :)
    >>>>> Yeah, just like linux claims it never needs to be defragged...that's
    >>>>> why there are dozens of linux defragmenting software utilities
    >>>>> available!...LOL!
    >>>> There are not dozens. There are a few. I've never known anyone to use
    >>>> them.
    >>> There are more than "a few" and their very existence belies your
    >>> assertion that they are not need.
    >>> The FUD you spread is noted.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> Yes frankie they exist. If you do a web search you might actually be
    >> able to find some. The ones of which I am aware defragment ext2 file
    >> systems. I've never heard of one for a more modern fs such as reiser.
    >> You will also find that NO SIGNIFICANT Linux distribution includes a
    >> defragmentation tool in it's base installation. It must not be very
    >> necessary.
    >>
    >> Just for grins, do a web search for 'defragmentation Linux' - most of
    >> what you will find are explnations of why Linux does not need it.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Just for grins..read more...there is some very telling evidence that
    > ext3 needs to be defragged occasionally!<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    And ext3 is merely ext2 with journaling. As I said, none for modern fs
    such as reiser et. al.
     
  2. Dave Warren

    Dave Warren Guest

    In message <8tnh65deiqbre7alkdjqp09csoaj2lip51@4ax.com> +Bob+
    <nomailplease@example.com> was claimed to have wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:46:25 -0700, Dave Warren
    ><dave-usenet@djwcomputers.com> wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>In message <6nof65ti1jnm5iddj8oeaqm3h6otitfq6g@4ax.com> +Bob+
    >><nomailplease@example.com> was claimed to have wrote:
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>>Background defrag is a waste of performance you could be using in the
    >>>foreground. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >>Vista's defragmentation tool only works while the system is idle, both
    >>by way of a backoff algorithm, and also the disk queuing system.
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>>Not to mention, defragging a disk is a moderately risky
    >>>operation on the drive. Doing it while foreground tasks are running is
    >>>not very smart. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >>There is virtually no risk at all with a modern defragmentation tool
    >>using Windows' NTFS defragmation APIs. When a cluster is moved, there
    >>are several steps, each of which is journaled so at no point will a
    >>failure or interruption cause corruption or data loss.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >If there's a power failure or crash, you can easily end up with
    >errors. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Look up "journaling" -- A properly journaled filesystem implementation
    won't result in any corruption after a failure.

    The short version is that whenever the filesystem's structures are being
    updated, the OS makes a note about what changes it's about to do in the
    journal, sets a dirty flag, makes the change, then updates the journal
    and dirty flag to indicate the changes are completed.

    In the event of a failure (power, crash, etc), when the OS comes back up
    it sees the "dirty" flag and reviews the journal to complete the
    changes.
     
  3. On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:14:24 -0400, +Bob+ <nomailplease@example.com>
    wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:04:39 -0700, Ashton Crusher <demi@moore.net>
    >wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>I understand your desire to watch colors change on the screen but the
    >>built in defrager works fine if you use it as defraging is intended to
    >>be used - as an out of sight/out of mind background task. I set it up
    >>that way 18 months ago and I have never even noticed it running since
    >>then.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >Background defrag is a waste of performance you could be using in the
    >foreground. Not to mention, defragging a disk is a moderately risky
    >operation on the drive. Doing it while foreground tasks are running is
    >not very smart.
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Well, if you think that's a risk worth worrying about then no one
    should ever install any programs on their computer since program
    installs trash far more systems then a background defrager ever has.
    If you run the built in defrag as it's intended it simply is always
    doing little bits of clean up and there is no need for it to take over
    the system like the store bought ones do so that people can look at
    the pretty little squares changing colors - been there, did that, am
    over it.

    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >Just get a decent defrag utility and run it periodically when you
    >won't be doing anything on the system. Shut off Vista's useless dumbed
    >down defrag. All fixed. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
  4. Gordon

    Gordon Guest

    "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
    news:vi2h65p6de5piekrlmv8n0hqmrhuvq7t6e@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:27:25 +0100, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com>
    > wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> And it does slow down after time.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >>But that is NOT, in general, due to a fragmented HDD!
    >>Defragging makes very little difference, in general, to system
    >>performance.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Inaccurate. On some systems it makes a tremendous difference. It
    > depends entirely on how much activity (add/delete) the disk drive
    > sees.
    >
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Not inaccurate at all. In general, most users will notice only very slight
    improvements by defragging.
    Speed depends on many factors of which an unfragged HDD is a very small
    one...
     
  5. Gordon

    Gordon Guest

    "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
    news:dg2h65ha1j9ivremnohctkjs83m5bs8fre@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:42:48 +0100, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com>
    > wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>
    >>The Vista defrag only kicks in when the system is IDLE......so no loss of
    >>performance there then, is there?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Yes there is. It's a noticeable thrashing of the drive. When you start
    > a foreground program and the disk is being thrashed by the defrag, you
    > can see a noticeable delay.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Rubbish. Never noticed that AT ALL.

    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > Not to mention, it's notoriously inefficient. Go to any system running
    > the background defrag. Run a defrag on it. Notice how long it has to
    > run, even though it's supposedly defragged.
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    <sigh> WHY? WHY even BOTHER to run a manual defrag if it's doing it FOR you
    automatically? If it ain't broke DON'T FIX IT!!!!!!!
     
  6. GenFil

    GenFil Guest

    The Vista defragger is painfully slow and rather inefficient. It also
    lacks a GUI, drive map, progress bar etc. If you are interested in an
    advanced defragmenter that has both fully automatic as well as manual
    defrag modes with GUI, drive map...then Diskeeper is the best choice.
     
  7. Gordon

    Gordon Guest

    "GenFil" <GenFil.3vtwxp@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
    news:GenFil.3vtwxp@no.email.invalid...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > The Vista defragger is painfully slow<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    How do you know? It works in the BACKGROUND.....
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > and rather inefficient. It also lacks a GUI,<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    So how do you know it's inefficient if you can't SEE it?

    <sigh>
     
  8. +Bob+

    +Bob+ Guest

    On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:23:35 -0700, Dave Warren
    <dave-usenet@djwcomputers.com> wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    >Look up "journaling" -- A properly journaled filesystem implementation
    >won't result in any corruption after a failure.
    >
    >The short version is that whenever the filesystem's structures are being
    >updated, the OS makes a note about what changes it's about to do in the
    >journal, sets a dirty flag, makes the change, then updates the journal
    >and dirty flag to indicate the changes are completed.
    >
    >In the event of a failure (power, crash, etc), when the OS comes back up
    >it sees the "dirty" flag and reviews the journal to complete the
    >changes.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    That's fine for transaction logging in applications when the disk
    drive and OS is considered a known stable entity. When done at the
    root level of the disk drive with all of the issues of an OS having to
    track the changes it's not dependable as you lost two of the given
    reliability factors (disk drive and OS).
     
  9. Dave Warren

    Dave Warren Guest

    In message <qifj65havn3pn2hqulahkqrg2riab40647@4ax.com> +Bob+
    <nomailplease@example.com> was claimed to have wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:23:35 -0700, Dave Warren
    ><dave-usenet@djwcomputers.com> wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>
    >>Look up "journaling" -- A properly journaled filesystem implementation
    >>won't result in any corruption after a failure.
    >>
    >>The short version is that whenever the filesystem's structures are being
    >>updated, the OS makes a note about what changes it's about to do in the
    >>journal, sets a dirty flag, makes the change, then updates the journal
    >>and dirty flag to indicate the changes are completed.
    >>
    >>In the event of a failure (power, crash, etc), when the OS comes back up
    >>it sees the "dirty" flag and reviews the journal to complete the
    >>changes.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >That's fine for transaction logging in applications when the disk
    >drive and OS is considered a known stable entity. When done at the
    >root level of the disk drive with all of the issues of an OS having to
    >track the changes it's not dependable as you lost two of the given
    >reliability factors (disk drive and OS). <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    If your drive(s) is(/are) failing in such a way that they report success
    but actually fail, you've got bigger issues then a defrag.

    As far as the OS side of things, can you point to one cite anywhere in
    the history of Vista (or XP, for that matter) showing a flaw in the NTFS
    defrag APIs?

    The only gap that you can encounter is drive controllers that do
    hardware caching but fail to flush the drive on demand -- Software can't
    compensate for broken hardware, nor should it be expected to try (and
    the same goes for OSes attempting to compensate for broken drivers)
     
  10. mazorj

    mazorj Guest

    "Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message
    news:64ei65l7qs1f5jla6kai3apus98k30n05u@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:14:24 -0400, +Bob+ <nomailplease@example.com>
    > wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:04:39 -0700, Ashton Crusher <demi@moore.net>
    >>wrote:
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>>I understand your desire to watch colors change on the screen but
    >>>the
    >>>built in defrager works fine if you use it as defraging is intended
    >>>to
    >>>be used - as an out of sight/out of mind background task. I set it
    >>>up
    >>>that way 18 months ago and I have never even noticed it running
    >>>since then.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >>Background defrag is a waste of performance you could be using in
    >>the
    >>foreground. Not to mention, defragging a disk is a moderately risky
    >>operation on the drive. Doing it while foreground tasks are running
    >>is
    >>not very smart.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Well, if you think that's a risk worth worrying about then no one
    > should ever install any programs on their computer since program
    > installs trash far more systems then a background defrager ever has.
    > If you run the built in defrag as it's intended it simply is always
    > doing little bits of clean up and there is no need for it to take
    > over
    > the system like the store bought ones do so that people can look at
    > the pretty little squares changing colors - been there, did that, am
    > over it.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Practically speaking, just running a defrag on a set schedule and
    preferably when you won't be using it is the best advice. I do that
    with my various back-ups and security sweeps.

    However, there's more information in these other defrag programs than
    watching the lights blink, such as listing files that won't defrag.
    When hiberfil.sys came up on a manual defrag of my laptop as a file
    that could not be defragged, I deleted it and recovered quite a bit of
    space. I had hibernation turned off but didn't realize that it
    already had created a whopping useless file. Deleting it also allowed
    the defragger to pack more files into the first band of written
    clusters. I'm sure the performance increase was trivial, but the
    recovered space on a relatively small laptop HD was worth doing.

    Seeing the list of undefraggable files also taught me that in order to
    squeeze the absolute most out of defragging, shut down every (and I do
    mean every) other app before defragging. An open program can put a
    hold on auxiliary files it creates while running and the defragger
    won't touch them. Again, the effect is small but if you're not using
    the computer, why not shut down everything?

    Perusing the other undefraggable/unmovable files and the pretty
    squares also can be instructive as to what's happening "under the
    hood". For example, most writes are done in two bands, one starting
    at the beginning of the HD, and another band starting at about the
    middle of the drive. This must be a deliberate write strategy.
    Otherwise, used clusters would be randomly strewn across the drive.
    I've also backtracked undefraggable/unmovable files to one or two
    resource-consuming processes that I didn't need and could be
    terminated.
     
  11. Steve H.

    Steve H. Guest

    I find perfect disk to be the best at defragging. I love it and use it all
    the time.


    "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message
    news:eTlTj8iCKHA.3556@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Hi:
    >
    > Windows Vista Defragmenter is about the worst that I have ever seen. It
    > does not show you any progression status and it takes forever.
    >
    > Does anyone have an alternate free defragmenter and/or suggestion?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > ColTom2
    >
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    --
    Steven J. Hayes
     
  12. Eric

    Eric Guest

    "Bill Daggett" <Daggett@wmunny.invalid> wrote in message
    news:ju5f65tju4c2l8oqq361bqb5brlnrpva6r@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Bill Sharpe <wfsnopam@adelphia.net> wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> A fragmented HDD is one of the least likely causes of a slow machine....<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >>True enough, but if defrag will slow down the machine while it's
    >>running. Since defrag seems to work in the background it's not always
    >>easy to tell that it is running.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Why worry about it? Defragging is over-rated anyway.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Defragging must be done, once you run out of monsters to frag in your
    favorite FPS.
     
  13. Eric

    Eric Guest

    "JamesJ" <jjy@darwin_roadrunner.com> wrote in message
    news:%23NHbaO5CKHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >I don't worry about it. I just do those things for myself.
    > I defrag, maybe once a month. I just feel the more items running
    > slows my system down. And since I've been tweaking Vista services
    > I've noticed my system starting faster and not having to wait for 5
    > minutes
    > after the desktop shows up before I can do anything.
    >
    > James
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    You need to check your startup programs, from your startup folder and
    registry startup keys, if you're waiting 5 minutes before you can do
    anything.
    I timed my Vista system from completely powered off to loaded a web page in
    IE in under 90 seconds.
    My XP system does the same within 3 minutes, including time it takes to
    process group policy settings.
    I defrag my XP system once a year, and I do a LOT of file processing.
    That's not installing/uninstalling some shareware products. That's
    routinely copying/deleting 1.5GB worth of data files at a time.
     
  14. Eric

    Eric Guest

    "Jim" <bojimbo261@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:tm4e65pjrfq2lgjv2nn9662tg8gcktc9kq@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:14:48 -0400, "ColTom2"
    > <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>Hi:
    >>
    >> Windows Vista Defragmenter is about the worst that I have ever seen. It
    >>does not show you any progression status and it takes forever.
    >>
    >> Does anyone have an alternate free defragmenter and/or suggestion?
    >>
    >>Thanks,
    >>
    >>ColTom2
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Defraggler .<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Why would you want to remove fraggles?
     
  15. Eric

    Eric Guest

    "Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message
    news:m5of6596o7j2n1n3dck6tsi3qgt53jnul9@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:14:48 -0400, "ColTom2"
    > <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>Hi:
    >>
    >> Windows Vista Defragmenter is about the worst that I have ever seen. It
    >>does not show you any progression status and it takes forever.
    >>
    >> Does anyone have an alternate free defragmenter and/or suggestion?
    >>
    >>Thanks,
    >>
    >>ColTom2
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > I understand your desire to watch colors change on the screen but the
    > built in defrager works fine if you use it as defraging is intended to
    > be used - as an out of sight/out of mind background task. I set it up
    > that way 18 months ago and I have never even noticed it running since
    > then.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    What if you desire to watch dancing girls on the screen while your system
    defrags?
    The first defraggers from decades ago had changing colors and moving blocks.
    Step into the 21st century. It's time to replace your rotary phone.
     
  16. Eric wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message
    > news:m5of6596o7j2n1n3dck6tsi3qgt53jnul9@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:14:48 -0400, "ColTom2"
    >> <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote:
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> Hi:
    >>>
    >>> Windows Vista Defragmenter is about the worst that I have ever seen. It
    >>> does not show you any progression status and it takes forever.
    >>>
    >>> Does anyone have an alternate free defragmenter and/or suggestion?
    >>>
    >>> Thanks,
    >>>
    >>> ColTom2
    >>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >> I understand your desire to watch colors change on the screen but the
    >> built in defrager works fine if you use it as defraging is intended to
    >> be used - as an out of sight/out of mind background task. I set it up
    >> that way 18 months ago and I have never even noticed it running since
    >> then.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > What if you desire to watch dancing girls on the screen while your system
    > defrags?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    I suggest going to the liquor store and buying a girlie magazine. That
    way you can "spank it" in any room you want. You don't even need a
    computer.

    How is that for progress?

    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > The first defraggers from decades ago had changing colors and moving blocks.
    > Step into the 21st century. It's time to replace your rotary phone. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    You wouldn't know what to do with a defragger if it bent you over the
    table. Just FYI.
     
  17. Eric

    Eric Guest

    "Gordon's Psychiatrist" <gord@psyc.net> wrote in message
    news:h4nifh$hga$2@news.eternal-september.org...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Eric wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> "Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message
    >> news:m5of6596o7j2n1n3dck6tsi3qgt53jnul9@4ax.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:14:48 -0400, "ColTom2"
    >>> <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Hi:
    >>>>
    >>>> Windows Vista Defragmenter is about the worst that I have ever seen.
    >>>> It
    >>>> does not show you any progression status and it takes forever.
    >>>>
    >>>> Does anyone have an alternate free defragmenter and/or suggestion?
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks,
    >>>>
    >>>> ColTom2
    >>>>
    >>> I understand your desire to watch colors change on the screen but the
    >>> built in defrager works fine if you use it as defraging is intended to
    >>> be used - as an out of sight/out of mind background task. I set it up
    >>> that way 18 months ago and I have never even noticed it running since
    >>> then.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> What if you desire to watch dancing girls on the screen while your system
    >> defrags?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > I suggest going to the liquor store and buying a girlie magazine. That
    > way you can "spank it" in any room you want. You don't even need a
    > computer.
    >
    > How is that for progress?
    >
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> The first defraggers from decades ago had changing colors and moving
    >> blocks.
    >> Step into the 21st century. It's time to replace your rotary phone.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > You wouldn't know what to do with a defragger if it bent you over the
    > table. Just FYI.
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    There are free versions of Tetris if you want to watch colored blocks move.
     
  18. +Bob+

    +Bob+ Guest

    On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:56:15 -0400, "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com>
    wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    >"Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message
    >news:m5of6596o7j2n1n3dck6tsi3qgt53jnul9@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:14:48 -0400, "ColTom2"
    >> <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote:
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>>Hi:
    >>>
    >>> Windows Vista Defragmenter is about the worst that I have ever seen. It
    >>>does not show you any progression status and it takes forever.
    >>>
    >>> Does anyone have an alternate free defragmenter and/or suggestion?
    >>>
    >>>Thanks,
    >>>
    >>>ColTom2
    >>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> I understand your desire to watch colors change on the screen but the
    >> built in defrager works fine if you use it as defraging is intended to
    >> be used - as an out of sight/out of mind background task. I set it up
    >> that way 18 months ago and I have never even noticed it running since
    >> then.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >What if you desire to watch dancing girls on the screen while your system
    >defrags?
    >The first defraggers from decades ago had changing colors and moving blocks.
    >Step into the 21st century. It's time to replace your rotary phone.
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    The colored blocks might be amusement. Some sort of progress bar,
    otoh, is a useful feature (something Vista does not include).
     
  19. Eric

    Eric Guest

    "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
    news:1v2v65pvatekejuflrrkh5ncbbl8iuedu3@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:56:15 -0400, "Eric" <someone@idontwantspam.com>
    > wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>
    >>"Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message
    >>news:m5of6596o7j2n1n3dck6tsi3qgt53jnul9@4ax.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:14:48 -0400, "ColTom2"
    >>> <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Hi:
    >>>>
    >>>> Windows Vista Defragmenter is about the worst that I have ever seen.
    >>>> It
    >>>>does not show you any progression status and it takes forever.
    >>>>
    >>>> Does anyone have an alternate free defragmenter and/or suggestion?
    >>>>
    >>>>Thanks,
    >>>>
    >>>>ColTom2
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> I understand your desire to watch colors change on the screen but the
    >>> built in defrager works fine if you use it as defraging is intended to
    >>> be used - as an out of sight/out of mind background task. I set it up
    >>> that way 18 months ago and I have never even noticed it running since
    >>> then.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >>What if you desire to watch dancing girls on the screen while your system
    >>defrags?
    >>The first defraggers from decades ago had changing colors and moving
    >>blocks.
    >>Step into the 21st century. It's time to replace your rotary phone.
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > The colored blocks might be amusement. Some sort of progress bar,
    > otoh, is a useful feature (something Vista does not include).
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    Have your dancing girls do a slow strip tease. When they're butt nekkid,
    it's finished.
     
  20. vistostimorth wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Gordon wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>>
    >>> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:vi2h65p6de5piekrlmv8n0hqmrhuvq7t6e@4ax.com...
    >>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:27:25 +0100, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>> And it does slow down after time.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> But that is NOT, in general, due to a fragmented HDD!
    >>>>> Defragging makes very little difference, in general, to system
    >>>>> performance.
    >>>>
    >>>> Inaccurate. On some systems it makes a tremendous difference. It
    >>>> depends entirely on how much activity (add/delete) the disk drive
    >>>> sees.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Not inaccurate at all. In general, most users will notice only very
    >>> slight improvements by defragging.
    >>> Speed depends on many factors of which an unfragged HDD is a very
    >>> small one...<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> Err <sigh> you don't know what most users will notice unless Err
    >> <sigh> you spoke with most users. Err <sigh>
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >
    > you are sighing.. frank must be giving you his bone...
    >
    > No i dont mean his microscopic dick, rather a real bone...
    >
    > got it bonehead?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Not really. Can you explain in great detail? Just FYI.
     

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