Violent Traveller Eviction.

Violent Traveller Eviction from Dale Farm Essex UK.

http://www.telegraph...October-19.html

 

LOL Yes Travellers fighting not to travel? British common sense being thrown out the window, as now they will just move somewhere else, and have to be evicted from there. :unsure: and eventually they will all move back and it starts all over, personally I want to know who justifies the cost to the tax payer, because what has been paid out to evict them would have been better used to give them somewhere to stay.

 

Ireland has permanent halting sites available for Travellers. Sometimes they work, sometimes not. The problem in Ireland is a bit different in that there is very little problem with these long term occupations, the problem is more related to roadside halting and the squatting on private land.

In Ireland it is considered a civil rights issue where Irish Travellers consider themselves to be a race. This seems to be an accepted fact over there. As an American living there for many years, if I ran into a Traveller on the street I couldn't tell but others seemed to know instantly.

 

Good idea Match - I hear they are moving them to Wolverhampton.

 

LOL, their are already a number of permanent sites where they can legally stay, and I can't say that they cause any trouble or problems. and when all is said and done, I would rather have Wolverhampton full of travellers, than none English speaking immigrants and asylum seekers. as it seems to be at the moment.

 

If my memory serves me correctly - Barry is an immigrant :snckr:

 

Apart from not being able to spell and confusion on what items of clothing he wears were, he is English speaking. Apart from that Technically Australians, Americans, Canadians, are all Immigrants. so if and when they return to the country of their ancestors origins is that immigration or repatriation?

 

Here in the UK the road where I live used to be nearly all travellers but much of the land now has been turned into either small commercial estates or permanent mobile home sites. Many of these areas are still owned by travellers who now live in houses that they have had built. Some of them in the same area/road. My own landlord who I also count as a close friend is one of these people.

I have mixed feelings about the area. Although I don't have any problems at all, my road is a no go area for most of the citys taxi firms and fast food delivery firms. This can be inconvenient at times, but looking on the plus side, we don't have any of the citys low lifes coming here and causing the problems that exist on some of the UK's large estates...Lol

I don't know what the answer is...but the travellers have got to live somewhere. They often give themselves problems by acting in an anti social way...but many of them are as honest and moral as you and I...??

 

There's a group of travellers near where I live, on an empty plot near commercial buildings, been there about a year or two now generally come up our road every so often with a megaphone on shouting "any old iron" (or something like that), they got an fridge off us that had packed in.
But haven't heard of any trouble in area because of them, so seem alright to me.

I didn't read the article but I know that only about half the site they live on is legally allowed to have them on, which they have to apply for permission to be on the site which some haven't meaning over half those staying are't legally allowed to be there, they have been offered other sites in the local area and around the country so they are legally on some land and rejected it, as far as I'm concerned they got what was coming to them.

I don't know if any of you in the UK are as boring as me, most likely you are , but I caught a bit of Newsnight (that program on BBC2 what you probably don't watch) on Tuesday or so about this story, they had someone on from the UN, she immediately pulled the discrimination card, that we are discriminating against travellers and the like, talked over the presenter and other guest (an MP I think) wouldn't shut up at all to give someone else a chance to speak (a very bigoted woman in my opinion), she didn't accept the fact that they were
1. living there illegally
and
2. been offered other places to stay legally where they wouldn't be evicted, she just kept going on with her crusade.

I do hope that she isn't representative of the UN's position on this matter because while I'm all for Human Rights, when someone breaks the law they forfeit some rights depending on the law/s being broken.

 

Had they been some other group squatting, I wonder would they have been subjected to such a violent removal.

 

More than Likely Yes DSTM, Had they have been in a different area, where the local property owners weren't so influential, they would probably been given planning permission.

 

As woody has already pointed out:

The "travellers" who were evicted were there illegally. They may have owned the land - but it was greenbelt and did not have the appropriate planning permission for occupation by caravans, houses or anything else.

What they do is to purchase a plot of greenbelt land - which does not have the same value as land designated for building houses or commercial premises.
Then, over a bank holiday weekend they move in with diggers, concrete etc etc and by the time the local authority are aware of it, they have moved their vans onto the land.

The houses they have build do not have planning permission either.

They flaunt the local planning laws and bulldoze their way onto the land.
Then they complain that their Human Rights are being infringed.

This element of society are very quick to play the "Race Card". I wonder if they are as quick to pay their income tax and local taxes ?

 

I'm not very well Educated on the Laws involved, but do you not need a permanent registered address, to be able to pay taxes, register companies, claim benefits etc?

While splitting from my ex-wife, I ended up in a situation where I had no fixed address, and was really surprised how many doors slam in your face, to a point where I was forced to ask a friend if I could use his property, as a mailing address! and no PO boxes don't count!!

 

This is one reason they are what they are.
They will be very adept at demanding what is due to them but I suspect that basic things like paying tax on earning wouldn't apply.
I wouldn't mind betting that the majority do not even have a NI number.

 

But Who's failing is this?

If you leave a hole in the system open for exploit people will, even MP's have proved this, with the MP's expenses scandal, and I'm sure if the house of lords were to make their accounts public, we would find the tax payer is being exploited by people who have more than enough wealth to maintain their life style without using tax law loop holes.

and I'm more than sure that if a member of the house of lords wanted to build an extension to their mansion in green belt land they would get it even if it meant phoning a "friend" and buying them a nice Christmas present.

To me this is just another example of how the system is broken, written by the wealthy to benefit the wealthy, at the expense of the majority.

As I've said many times before nothing has changed since the middle ages, except Barron's, Serfs, and peasants have been re-branded to Shareholders, employed, and unemployed!

 

Agreed, though I'm not sure what alternatives, if any, we would have to the current system, certainly not the Chinese communist system (well with a bit of capitalism mixed in) I think they have a worse ratio between rich and poor than us, with less political say and freedom of speech (as most know).

With socialist policies in a free market across Western Europe & Scandinavia we seem to have the best of both worlds, a middle ground shall we say, compared to the US with pretty much an entirely free market where costs like healthcare are a lot higher than in Europe, plus we have a political say and freedom of speech, can't really do much better than that.

But anyway that's another topic

 

TBH I think no mater what system you try and use unless you can eliminate greed, it will fail, Personally I think Pirates had it right, if the guy in charge didn't make you enough money and keep you happy they threw him overboard and elected someone new, lol