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Very slow win 10 system

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  1. Almost Nearly Sociable

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    Recently I somehow lost drivers and function of my microphone. Microsoft could not figure out whyor what was missing so they had me download the Media Creation Tool and start over keeping my old apps and files. But now my system is much slower than before. Is there anything I can do on my end to speed it up? Thanks
     

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    Hello and welcome, at most times I'm also almost nearly sociable.

    The fresh installation of W10 using the Medial Creation Tool would have ruled out any software issue. I assume you used the tool to create an install USB drive. Then booted your machine normally, inserted the USB drive and clicked on Setup (or whatever the name is of the file that kicks off the install).

    So we have to look to hardware. Maybe you have a hard drive issue. They do slow down as they begin to fail. That may also explain why you lost drivers. Find your hard drive. Right click on it. Go to Properties / Tools tab. Check the drive for errors. Keep in mind that a negative test doesn't always mean the drive is good.

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    Hello Tony,
    not exactly what happened. I downloaded the Media Creation Tool setup but I did not create an exteernal drive for it. When it came to that option I chose to setup a new win 10 "to this pc" which started the process. I did save the set up to my ext hard drive just in cace I needed to reinstall later. Of course I cannot boot from that but that was never my intention. Before I reinstalled win 10 my pc was very fast, now it takes an inordinate time to pull up a simple file. The cursor just keeps spinning and spinning. For example, it took over 10 mins to pull up my Brave browser.
    I checked the hard drive as you suggested and no errors were found. I know I have a memory issue with Ram and only 4 Gigs of memory, still that was the case also before and the pc ran fast so I don't know what changed.
     
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    I've always installed Windows via a USB-loaded flash drive from the Creation Tool. I'm not sure going the route you took wipes out the old system files. If you have a 16 GB flash drive try using the Media Creation Tool to create a Windows install drive. Once the USB flash drive has been created, you boot your machine normally. Then insert the USB drive and run the setup.
     
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    I see what you mean Tony. No it does not create a windows.old file it starts a new win file. So that may be what is slowing down the PC? If so, I guess it will have to remain slow as it took me nearly the whole day yesterday to install the new win 10 what with slow wifi speeds etc. I just don't have the time right now. Perhaps future updates will speed it up? Unsure about that.
    Correct me if I am wrong but runnimg the media tool at this point to me would be useless. The win.old file on my original application was wiped out and gone when the new win 10 was put on so the only thing I would get would be a win.old of my current slow system. I guess all I can do is wait and see if future updates correct the problem?
     
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    Downloading the files to install a fresh version of Windows may take some time if you're on a slow connection. It's about 4.7 GB.

    I don't think an update will correct your problem. Also, we don't know if the problem is due to a slow hard drive.

    You can try booting to Safe Mode to rule out unneeded startup items. To do that, hold the Shift key while choosing to Restart your computer. Then
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    Restart​

    When it restarts, you'll be presented with a choice of options. Choose Safe Mode.
     
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    To add to Tony's info you may want to check and see if it is trying to run windows update. I found this after a new install once before on a computer. It seems when update is running it slows everything down sometimes, just a thought.
     
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    To also add to Tony's excellent advice:

    Go into Task Manager and post back with the CPU, Memory, and Disk Usage. If any of those are too high, then you most likely have a software issue. If they are in normal range, you most likely have a hardware issue (probably the hard drive).

    EDIT: It looks as though the laptop has a SSD. The chances of your SSD failing are quite slim. As such, my guess now is that you have a corrupt software process which is consuming too much of the laptop's resources. Also, check what happens in Safe Mode as Tony requested.
     
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    OK, I ran in safe mode, too soon to know if that helped. I also did the Task Mgr thing (see attachment), but I don't know what is within normal limits.
    And yes IJAC I have run into the update thing many times, that is usually the first thing I check when the pc bogs down,
    A new wrinkle though, this is the second day that whenever I start for the first time in the AM, after windows comes up, I do not have sound, no speakers. I do a restart and then I have speakers. Its like the first time the drivers didn't load! I have also noticed that my Edge browser goes non-responsive several times during use. I just wait until it responds.
     

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    That’s messed up. I’d go for hard drive but since you have an SSD, do a fresh install using the USB flash drive.
     
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    I have the Media Creation Tool set up on my external hard drive, can I just use it from there? Sorry to be so dense about this stuff but its not really my thing. But really, I don't understand how booting up from the tool with a fresh copy of win 10 would do anything about my hard drive other than resseting my drivers, etc? If my hard drive is the problem then I am just stuck with it until I get a new one, right?
     
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    The tool is just a middle man between you and MS. When you run it to update you're computer, it pulls files from MS and loads them into your computer while your computer is booted to the hard drive/SSD. The tool can also be used to create install media onto a USB drive that you can boot off of. You can run the tool from the external drive, but you need to create the USB drive so the computer can boot from it, rather than the computer's hard drive/SSD.

    You ask good questions. I can't be sure because I haven't done testing but I think when you use the tool to update, it doesn't replace all the files. I say this because some of the old files are still in use by the OS while you're doing the update. It can't replace files that are in use. When you download the installation files to a USB drive and use that drive to install Windows, Windows boots to the USB drive, not to the hard drive/SSD. So none of the OS files on your hard drive/SSD are in use during the installation. Therefore they can now be replaced.

    Yup
     
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    The usage numbers are fine.

    I agree with Tony that the next step is a fresh install.
     
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    Ok guys, I will give it a try. I have a 16 mg usb drive I can put the Media Creation Tool on and go from there but I will be using the option to keep all my files, hope that doesn't make a difference, especially because this am when I turned the pc on the sound would not work again so I had to do a restart and then everything worked.
     
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    Note that by re-installing Windows 10, you will have to re-install programs that you installed. Also, disconnect any external drives or USB sticks from the laptop other than the USB stick that will be erased, and then W10 installed on.
     
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    O wait you are telling me NOT to chose the option to keep my files but the other option? I will have to send my music files to my ext hard drive in order to keep them.
     
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    No, that's not what we're saying. You can certainly chose the option to keep your files if you want.

    And YES, please backup all your files, music, photos, videos, etc. You never know when a drive will fail or when you may press the wrong button or when your house will burn up or when someone may steal your computer. Backup to a device which you can disconnect from the machine. Better yet, backup to two devices - one being a local hard drive which you can disconnect and another to a device you keep elsewhere. Oh and how about a cloud backup? I don't know anyone who regretted having a backup or two or three.
     
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    Gotcha, but here's the thing. The reason I am so frustrated is I tried three times to reinstall win10 and each time I had to just give up. Here is what I did:
    1. Put the Media Creation Tool (link) on my usb drive.
    2. Went through the process to download the setup file to the usb. Done
    3. Went into the usb and ran the setup. Done
    4. First the setup checked for updates. Done
    5. The set up "got a few things ready". Done
    6. The set up "checked to see if download complete." Done
    7. The setup checked to see if I had enough space on my pc. Not done.

    This is where the hang up for whatever reason started. Setup checked for over 30 mins each time but went no further. Thinking it was just hung up I aborted and started over each time.
    So, my question is this: when setup is checking my device to see if it has enough space, does that process depend upon my wifi internet speed? I didn't think it did as I thought it came from the usb files. But if it does depend on wifi speed then that is the problem as we have slow internet here in asia at the best of times. It isn't like when I lived in the States, zip zip and you are done.
    So that is where I am at now. Nothing has changed but I do have my files backed up but I prefer the "save my files" option for next time.
    Any thoughts? Thanks
     
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    I found out that using the flash drive to set up win 10 from does not work. So I gave up on that and went into bios, changed the boot order to my flash drive and got the install process started. I could not use the "save your files option" because the pc told me there was a compatibility issue so I chose the save nothing option. So I have a new win10 on my pc but I must say something is still not right as my pc is acting a bit weird. I have three win.old files now. I am considering tryin to go back to my original version at least I could navigate and function. But I will give this one a few days to see if it works better for me. Is it possible that this version of win 10 is not compatible formy machine. Will let you know what happens in the AM when I turn it back on.
     
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    That's normal if you boot from the USB install media. You're given the option to save files only if you boot to the current install of Windows, plug in the flash drive and run the Setup from the flash drive.

    I didn't recall seeing anything about checking for space. I looked thru my notes on doing a Windows installation from a flash drive on a working machine. There was nothing about checking for enough space. So maybe that step normally goes by quickly (normally).

    Considering that your machine was running slow and that the Windows installation got stuck at checking for space, I wonder if your drive was full. A full hard drive would cause a computer to be slow. How full do you think your drive/SSD was before we started all this?
     
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