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  1. Slowpoke47

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    Running W7 HP 64 bit on Dell desktop. Over the years the bootup time has increased substantially. I have seen multiple advisors recommend cleaning up "services", viewed after typing msconfig in the Start search box. I have well over 100 items in this list. How can I determine which services can be deleted without repercussion?
     
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    High Slowpoke.

    It's not the services you want to disable, but the startup programs which are in the startup tab.

    The easiest thing to try for now, is to disable everything in the startup tab other than the antivirus. Go into the Startup tab, choose disable all, then re-check the antivirus.

    Also, what antivirus is it running and is the speed ok once it's booted up.
     
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    I would place a check mark in Hide Windows Services first, just to be safe.
     
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    That's what I do, as well.
    I disable the rest.
    The programs will start, when needed.
     
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    Slowpoke won't be going into the Services tab, but rather the Startup tab. The startup tab doesn't list services.
     
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    I also set the "Timeout" to 5seconds, and in the advanced Tab on Boot, make sure all cores are working.
    Startup, is only part of faster boot.
     
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    If such advisers truly knew how an operating system works, then they would know that the services have little to nothing to do with system performance.
     
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    You are a legend in your own lifetime,Seth.:)
    All my Computers are fully loaded in 20-25sec and shut down in 3-4 seconds.
    I must be doing something right.LOL
    I will admit I don't run an AV. My choice.
     
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    This is true.
    My bad.
     
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    The core enabling is a myth as well :biggrin:

    It's astonishing that people think an operating system manufacturer would deliberately hinder it's performance. The only significant way to increase boot time, is to limit the Startup programs. That generally has nothing to do with a stock operating system, but rather third party programs that place themselves into the startup folder in the registry.

    Here's a good article which explains the services myth:

    https://www.howtogeek.com/252969/should-you-disable-windows-services-to-speed-up-your-pc/
     
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    Thanks all for posting. I probably should have asked a more general question. This computer takes about 1:40 or so to boot up. I think this time has been increasing over the 5 years or so since it was new. If it's possible to speed this up, can someone point me to a step-by-step procedure to do that? I am decidedly non-tech, so I need to be led by the nose.
     
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    I answered your question in the first reply. You also didn't answer the two questions I posed:(
     
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    Whilst I do agree that the first stop would be to address the items in the Startup folder, the Services shouldn't be dismissed.

    In most cases it's not a good idea to delete a Service .... it's best to alter the start configuration (Auto, Manual, Stop )
    But that's not to say that some services are not best deleted.

    If you really wanted to determine if a service configuration can be safely changed .... this is the best guide to services I've ever come across.

    Black Viper

    Btw: changing the service start configuration to manual doesn't mean that you have to start it manually.
    It just means that it won't start until the program actually needs it.


    That's not exactly true.
    There are a lot of legit services that are set to automatic, that could be set to manual.
    Why have a service running just for the sake of it.

    Running a program uninstaller will not always remove everything.... Items do get left behind.
    Some that spring to mind are AV programs and 'Itunes' .... this is known to leave quite a few 'services' behind.

    Then there's malware...
    Not all malware will openly add itself to the startup list ... it's quite common for malware to launch itself by adding a 'service' that hides behind the svchost process.

    These are times when it is best to delete the services.

    But that's not to say that the performance can't be tweaked to perform better.
     
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    You're referring to obscure issues, and needlessly complicating things for Slowpoke.

    The Services are a minscule part of the startup.

    There are no positives to disabling certain Window's Services under normal circumstances, especially when many critical services rely on other services running. It's just trying to fix what isn't broke.

    Did you read the article?
     
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    No, I'm taking everything into account.
    How do we know that the slow boot up is not related to malware, conflicts or anything else.
    I'm not sitting here with blinkers on.
    Just removing some startup items may not help.

    I never suggested disabling Windows Services.
    There's no harm in checking the services to see if there's anything there that shouldn't be.

    Yes I did.
    It's an ok sort of article ..... especially if you are running Win 10 and are only concerned with legit M$ services.

    He does say.....
    I wouldn't class a 5 year old Dell running Win 7, a modern computer.... and I doubt it's running a solid-state drive.
     
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    Slowpoke,

    Proceed with what I wrote and asked in my first post, and we can go from there if needed.

    Also, there is no need to constantly shutdown your computer...just let it go into sleep mode. Once a week go ahead and shut it down or restart, this will "refresh" things.
     
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    Please don't be offended, I hesitated because I don't know what I'm doing and fear that I'll screw up something and be unable to recover. Everyone on this forum has been a great help and encouragement, but if I shoot myself in the foot I'm afraid I'll be sunk. But, I guess I have a fallback position from which to holler pitifully for a rescue, because we do now have another machine in the house, an almost-new Acer laptop.

    So, if I go back to your first post, and do as you recommend, is it reversible in case I screw it up or something?
     
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    Yes it's reversible, and no it won't screw anything up.

    What antivirus are you using and is it slow once it boots up?
     
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    I'm using Emsisoft, actually recommended here, but I not sure what you mean by your second question- I assume the Emsisoft starts automatically but I never see anything on the screen except an occasional pop-up to say it has updated itself.

    If you mean, is the computer slow in general, it may be a little. Seems like it's slower that the Acer, but maybe that's just built in. This one does seem to be a little slow to get online once started (I use Firefox).
     
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