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running out of space.........I "guess"?

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by riogrande, Jun 28, 2009.

  1. Gerry

    Gerry Guest

    Why Mike? How would resizing the pagefile help this user?

    Are you expecting Microsoft to issue a Windows XP SP4 to dramatically
    increase the disk space required? I can not see how you reach your
    pessimistic conclusions.

    --


    Gerry
    ~~~~
    FCA
    Stourport, England
    Enquire, plan and execute
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





    Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    >
    > I am surprised that you didn't suggest manually resizing the pagefile,
    > especially as it would have more effect than what you suggested. At
    > some point, and it may as well be now, the OP is going to have to
    > increase the size of the primary partition or face the same problems
    > a little further down the road.. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
  2. "riogrande" <riogrande@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:351D648F-5F02-4FF9-99FB-2F429917494A@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > Thanks Tim,
    >
    > disk cleanup not yielding anything of value....xp automatically asking me
    > if
    > I wanted to run it many times in the last weeks as space got low.
    >
    > downloaded the WinDirStat and will see if that produces any idea of what I
    > could "blow away"......yet tbd.
    >
    > Thanks...
    >
    > "Tim Meddick" wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Have you tried running the automatic 'disk cleanup wizard'?
    >>
    >> Type :
    >>
    >> cleanmgr.exe
    >>
    >> ....in to the "Run" box on your 'Start Menu' to start it.
    >>
    >> Also, you could download and run the utility 'WinDirStat' that displays
    >> all your files on the drive as couloured boxes sized according to how
    >> much space they use up on the drive.
    >>
    >> So you can tell-at-a-glance how and where all the space has gone on a
    >> drive or partition.
    >>
    >> You can download 'WinDirStat' from :
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "riogrande" <riogrande@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:471680A6-F66F-4315-9737-9BB23C4B58B8@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >> >I have a 120 GB drive with two partitions; C is 14 GB and has 155 mb
    >> >left
    >> > according to disk management. D is the rest of the Hard drive and has
    >> > 80 GB
    >> > left free. Sony Vaio media computer, running XP Home SP3 on a P4 at
    >> > 2.66mhz
    >> > (prob TMI).
    >> > Anyway, a while back I moved all photos, etc to the D drive to save
    >> > space on
    >> > C drive. But, things keep "growing" (sorta like having rabbits I
    >> > guess) and
    >> > now the C drive is very full and methinks I should run defrag and all
    >> > that,
    >> > but it won't run due to insufficient space.
    >> > I have gone through windows explorer to see if there are any other
    >> > files to
    >> > move, but don't find any data files I haven't already moved. I run
    >> > Quicken,
    >> > and assume that data is on the C drive and it may be big, but no other
    >> > stuff
    >> > jumps out. Simple HP printer files, M/S updates and patches seem
    >> > pretty big,
    >> > but once installed can they be blown away? and that is about it.
    >> > So, I "guess" I need to enlarge the C drive? If so, what is the
    >> > recommended
    >> > way?
    >> > In reading these posts I see that there are a few opinions, but I'm
    >> > assuming I need to get partition magic or backup both drives (image
    >> > copy? on
    >> > a new HD (pretty cheap)) and reinstall from the Sony disks and when
    >> > doing
    >> > so...make the C drive 20 or 25 GB.
    >> > What say ye experts?
    >> > Thanks for the advice.......novice techie<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >>
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    You may be able to run Easeus without having to uninstall any programs, but
    do the Quicken backup anyway.

    When you first run Easeus:

    Resize the second partition such that you create 10gb or thereabouts of free
    space. Apply the change.

    The free space will end up on the wrong side of the newly size second
    partition.

    So, highlight the second partition and click on 'resize/move'. This will
    allow you to slide the second partition graphic to the far right. Apply the
    change.

    The unallocated space will now be at the end of the primary partition.

    Now highlight the primary partition and click on resize/move. Use the
    controls to take up all of the unallocated space.

    Job done..

    --

    Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
     
  3. Gerry

    Gerry Guest

    Mike

    Please explain why? You engage in a long debate. You fail to make your
    case and then out of frustration make a recommendation without
    explaining the risks of what you propose!

    --


    Gerry
    ~~~~
    FCA
    Stourport, England
    Enquire, plan and execute
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "riogrande" <riogrande@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:351D648F-5F02-4FF9-99FB-2F429917494A@microsoft.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>
    >> Thanks Tim,
    >>
    >> disk cleanup not yielding anything of value....xp automatically
    >> asking me if
    >> I wanted to run it many times in the last weeks as space got low.
    >>
    >> downloaded the WinDirStat and will see if that produces any idea of
    >> what I could "blow away"......yet tbd.
    >>
    >> Thanks...
    >>
    >> "Tim Meddick" wrote:
    >><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> Have you tried running the automatic 'disk cleanup wizard'?
    >>>
    >>> Type :
    >>>
    >>> cleanmgr.exe
    >>>
    >>> ....in to the "Run" box on your 'Start Menu' to start it.
    >>>
    >>> Also, you could download and run the utility 'WinDirStat' that
    >>> displays all your files on the drive as couloured boxes sized
    >>> according to how much space they use up on the drive.
    >>>
    >>> So you can tell-at-a-glance how and where all the space has gone on
    >>> a drive or partition.
    >>>
    >>> You can download 'WinDirStat' from :
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "riogrande" <riogrande@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:471680A6-F66F-4315-9737-9BB23C4B58B8@microsoft.com...
    >>>> I have a 120 GB drive with two partitions; C is 14 GB and has 155
    >>>> mb left
    >>>> according to disk management. D is the rest of the Hard drive and
    >>>> has 80 GB
    >>>> left free. Sony Vaio media computer, running XP Home SP3 on a P4
    >>>> at 2.66mhz
    >>>> (prob TMI).
    >>>> Anyway, a while back I moved all photos, etc to the D drive to save
    >>>> space on
    >>>> C drive. But, things keep "growing" (sorta like having rabbits I
    >>>> guess) and
    >>>> now the C drive is very full and methinks I should run defrag and
    >>>> all that,
    >>>> but it won't run due to insufficient space.
    >>>> I have gone through windows explorer to see if there are any other
    >>>> files to
    >>>> move, but don't find any data files I haven't already moved. I run
    >>>> Quicken,
    >>>> and assume that data is on the C drive and it may be big, but no
    >>>> other stuff
    >>>> jumps out. Simple HP printer files, M/S updates and patches seem
    >>>> pretty big,
    >>>> but once installed can they be blown away? and that is about it.
    >>>> So, I "guess" I need to enlarge the C drive? If so, what is the
    >>>> recommended
    >>>> way?
    >>>> In reading these posts I see that there are a few opinions, but
    >>>> I'm assuming I need to get partition magic or backup both drives
    >>>> (image copy? on
    >>>> a new HD (pretty cheap)) and reinstall from the Sony disks and when
    >>>> doing
    >>>> so...make the C drive 20 or 25 GB.
    >>>> What say ye experts?
    >>>> Thanks for the advice.......novice techie
    >>>
    >>>
    >>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >
    > Backup your Quicken files to an external location, maybe a CD. Do the
    > same with any other application for which you have installation media.
    >
    > Now uninstall the applications..
    >
    > Download and run Easeus free version. Use it to extend your primary
    > boot partition to 25gb..
    >
    > When done, re-install Quicken and anything else you uninstalled
    > earlier, and then restore your Quicken account from the backup you
    > made.. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
  4. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Guest

    Gerry wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Mike
    >
    > You're mistaken on several counts.
    >
    > XP does not need 20-25gb. You are confusing the requirements of XP plus
    > pagefile plus programmes plus default folders like My Documents etc with
    > the requirements of the operating system. As long as there is free disk
    > space elsewhere you can run a problem free computer with much less than
    > 20 gb.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    But NOT if you want to have the Program Files, My Documents, pagefile, etc,
    all together on the C: partition, which is the most sensible approach
    (including for backups, etc). It makes little sense to store those
    fundamental directories on another partition. (But video files?? Sure.
    But not this stuff). This way when you image and/or restore your drive,
    you have it ALL backed up together, just as it should be.
     
  5. On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:16:47 -0600, "Bill in Co."
    <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Gerry wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Mike
    > >
    > > You're mistaken on several counts.
    > >
    > > XP does not need 20-25gb. You are confusing the requirements of XP plus
    > > pagefile plus programmes plus default folders like My Documents etc with
    > > the requirements of the operating system. As long as there is free disk
    > > space elsewhere you can run a problem free computer with much less than
    > > 20 gb.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > But NOT if you want to have the Program Files, My Documents, pagefile, etc,
    > all together on the C: partition, which is the most sensible approach
    > (including for backups, etc). <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    Essentially there are two approaches to backup:

    1. Cloning or imaging the entire drive.

    2. Backing up only the data files you have created.

    In my view, for those people who are not dual-booting, how you
    partition should depend on which backup scheme you use. If you clone
    or image the entire drive, it's usually best to have a single
    partition. If you just backup data, *not* having My Documents on C:
    usually makes the backup simpler and easier, so you can simply backup
    all of D:.

    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > It makes little sense to store those
    > fundamental directories on another partition. (But video files?? Sure.
    > But not this stuff). This way when you image and/or restore your drive,
    > you have it ALL backed up together, just as it should be.
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  6. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Guest

    Ken Blake, MVP wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:16:47 -0600, "Bill in Co."
    > <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Gerry wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> Mike
    >>>
    >>> You're mistaken on several counts.
    >>>
    >>> XP does not need 20-25gb. You are confusing the requirements of XP plus
    >>> pagefile plus programmes plus default folders like My Documents etc with
    >>> the requirements of the operating system. As long as there is free disk
    >>> space elsewhere you can run a problem free computer with much less than
    >>> 20 gb.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> But NOT if you want to have the Program Files, My Documents, pagefile,
    >> etc,
    >> all together on the C: partition, which is the most sensible approach
    >> (including for backups, etc).<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >
    > Essentially there are two approaches to backup:
    >
    > 1. Cloning or imaging the entire drive.
    >
    > 2. Backing up only the data files you have created.
    >
    > In my view, for those people who are not dual-booting, how you
    > partition should depend on which backup scheme you use. If you clone
    > or image the entire drive, it's usually best to have a single
    > partition. If you just backup data, *not* having My Documents on C:
    > usually makes the backup simpler and easier, so you can simply backup
    > all of D:.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    For me, I see little practical use and safety in *just* backing up the data,
    and just the data alone. That's just too much of a long shot in case
    something - anything - goes wrong with the system. (It's better than NO
    backup, but not by much :).
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> It makes little sense to store those
    >> fundamental directories on another partition. (But video files?? Sure.
    >> But not this stuff). This way when you image and/or restore your drive,
    >> you have it ALL backed up together, just as it should be.
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > --
    > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
    > Please Reply to the Newsgroup <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
  7. Gerry

    Gerry Guest

    Bill

    Separation of the operating system and program files is a perfectly
    reasonable arrangement. It just does not suit everybody. Moving program
    files was not something I was advocating in this instance as I doubt it
    is necessary.

    --


    Gerry
    ~~~~
    FCA
    Stourport, England
    Enquire, plan and execute
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Bill in Co. wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Gerry wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Mike
    >>
    >> You're mistaken on several counts.
    >>
    >> XP does not need 20-25gb. You are confusing the requirements of XP
    >> plus pagefile plus programmes plus default folders like My Documents
    >> etc with the requirements of the operating system. As long as there
    >> is free disk space elsewhere you can run a problem free computer
    >> with much less than 20 gb.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > But NOT if you want to have the Program Files, My Documents,
    > pagefile, etc, all together on the C: partition, which is the most
    > sensible approach (including for backups, etc). It makes little
    > sense to store those fundamental directories on another partition.
    > (But video files?? Sure. But not this stuff). This way when you
    > image and/or restore your drive, you have it ALL backed up together,
    > just as it should be. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
  8. On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:59:41 -0600, "Bill in Co."
    <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Ken Blake, MVP wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:16:47 -0600, "Bill in Co."
    > > <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
    > ><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    > >> Gerry wrote:
    > >>> Mike
    > >>>
    > >>> You're mistaken on several counts.
    > >>>
    > >>> XP does not need 20-25gb. You are confusing the requirements of XP plus
    > >>> pagefile plus programmes plus default folders like My Documents etc with
    > >>> the requirements of the operating system. As long as there is free disk
    > >>> space elsewhere you can run a problem free computer with much less than
    > >>> 20 gb.
    > >>
    > >> But NOT if you want to have the Program Files, My Documents, pagefile,
    > >> etc,
    > >> all together on the C: partition, which is the most sensible approach
    > >> (including for backups, etc).<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    > >
    > >
    > > Essentially there are two approaches to backup:
    > >
    > > 1. Cloning or imaging the entire drive.
    > >
    > > 2. Backing up only the data files you have created.
    > >
    > > In my view, for those people who are not dual-booting, how you
    > > partition should depend on which backup scheme you use. If you clone
    > > or image the entire drive, it's usually best to have a single
    > > partition. If you just backup data, *not* having My Documents on C:
    > > usually makes the backup simpler and easier, so you can simply backup
    > > all of D:.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > For me, I see little practical use and safety in *just* backing up the data,
    > and just the data alone. That's just too much of a long shot in case
    > something - anything - goes wrong with the system. (It's better than NO
    > backup, but not by much :).<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    It's not my choice either, but it is the choice of *many* people. They
    reason that they can easily and quickly reinstall the operating system
    and their programs. If they don't have a lot of programs installed and
    not a lot of operating system customization, they could be right about
    its being quick and easy.

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  9. "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:eutQXjN%23JHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Why Mike? How would resizing the pagefile help this user?
    >
    > Are you expecting Microsoft to issue a Windows XP SP4 to dramatically
    > increase the disk space required? I can not see how you reach your
    > pessimistic conclusions.
    >
    > --
    >
    >
    > Gerry
    > ~~~~
    > FCA
    > Stourport, England
    > Enquire, plan and execute
    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>
    >>
    >> I am surprised that you didn't suggest manually resizing the pagefile,
    >> especially as it would have more effect than what you suggested. At
    >> some point, and it may as well be now, the OP is going to have to
    >> increase the size of the primary partition or face the same problems
    >> a little further down the road..<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    Resizing the page file would be the best way to get enough free space such
    that utilities would work, that and what I have suggested directly to the
    OP.
    Reducing the system restore space could take out valuable restore points
    which the OP may well need in the very near future..

    I will ignore the other statement that you made. It deserves no response.


    --

    Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
     
  10. "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:%235cz0rN%23JHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Mike
    >
    > Please explain why? You engage in a long debate. You fail to make your
    > case and then out of frustration make a recommendation without explaining
    > the risks of what you propose!
    >
    > --
    >
    >
    > Gerry
    > ~~~~
    > FCA
    > Stourport, England
    > Enquire, plan and execute
    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    The risks of leaving the computer the way that it is outweigh the risks of
    using Easeus. I have already suggested to the OP that some applications are
    removed and any pertinent data to them is backed up prior to using Easeus.

    I did NOT make a suggestion out of frustration, but I may get a little
    frustrated if every time that I write anything, you follow up with arguing
    the points.

    --

    Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
     
  11. "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:OuCYURP%23JHA.200@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Bill
    >
    > Separation of the operating system and program files is a perfectly
    > reasonable arrangement. It just does not suit everybody. Moving program
    > files was not something I was advocating in this instance as I doubt it is
    > necessary.
    >
    > --
    >
    >
    > Gerry
    > ~~~~
    > FCA
    > Stourport, England
    > Enquire, plan and execute
    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >
    > Bill in Co. wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Gerry wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> Mike
    >>>
    >>> You're mistaken on several counts.
    >>>
    >>> XP does not need 20-25gb. You are confusing the requirements of XP
    >>> plus pagefile plus programmes plus default folders like My Documents
    >>> etc with the requirements of the operating system. As long as there
    >>> is free disk space elsewhere you can run a problem free computer
    >>> with much less than 20 gb.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >> But NOT if you want to have the Program Files, My Documents,
    >> pagefile, etc, all together on the C: partition, which is the most
    >> sensible approach (including for backups, etc). It makes little
    >> sense to store those fundamental directories on another partition. (But
    >> video files?? Sure. But not this stuff). This way when you
    >> image and/or restore your drive, you have it ALL backed up together,
    >> just as it should be.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    Gerry

    Many applications place files into the Windows folder and user account
    folders. The practice of separating programs and the operating system is for
    the most part a useless exercise, as all applications will have to be
    re-installed again in the event of a major OS crash..

    --

    Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
     
  12. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Guest

    Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > news:OuCYURP%23JHA.200@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Bill
    >>
    >> Separation of the operating system and program files is a perfectly
    >> reasonable arrangement. It just does not suit everybody. Moving program
    >> files was not something I was advocating in this instance as I doubt it
    >> is
    >> necessary.
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >>
    >> Gerry
    >> ~~~~
    >> FCA
    >> Stourport, England
    >> Enquire, plan and execute
    >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >>
    >> Bill in Co. wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> Gerry wrote:
    >>>> Mike
    >>>>
    >>>> You're mistaken on several counts.
    >>>>
    >>>> XP does not need 20-25gb. You are confusing the requirements of XP
    >>>> plus pagefile plus programmes plus default folders like My Documents
    >>>> etc with the requirements of the operating system. As long as there
    >>>> is free disk space elsewhere you can run a problem free computer
    >>>> with much less than 20 gb.
    >>>
    >>> But NOT if you want to have the Program Files, My Documents,
    >>> pagefile, etc, all together on the C: partition, which is the most
    >>> sensible approach (including for backups, etc). It makes little
    >>> sense to store those fundamental directories on another partition. (But
    >>> video files?? Sure. But not this stuff). This way when you
    >>> image and/or restore your drive, you have it ALL backed up together,
    >>> just as it should be.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >
    > Gerry
    >
    > Many applications place files into the Windows folder and user account
    > folders. The practice of separating programs and the operating system is
    > for
    > the most part a useless exercise, as all applications will have to be
    > re-installed again in the event of a major OS crash..<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Exactly. That's why it makes no sense to me to even try to separate them
    out to another partition, because in reality, they are inextricably linked
    to the windows partition.

    The only exception perhaps being for those who just want to back up their
    data. But that's an incomplete "backup" methodology. But as Ken pointed
    out, if they have no problem with the idea of reinstalling windows and their
    programs all over again, should the need arise, so be it. (I think I would
    rather cross the Sahara desert, than go through ALL that again - the time
    invested would be inordinate).
     
  13. Gerry

    Gerry Guest

    Mike

    Replies inline

    Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > news:eutQXjN%23JHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Why Mike? How would resizing the pagefile help this user?
    >>
    >> Are you expecting Microsoft to issue a Windows XP SP4 to dramatically
    >> increase the disk space required? I can not see how you reach your
    >> pessimistic conclusions.
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >>
    >> Gerry
    >> ~~~~
    >> FCA
    >> Stourport, England
    >> Enquire, plan and execute
    >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I am surprised that you didn't suggest manually resizing the
    >>> pagefile, especially as it would have more effect than what you
    >>> suggested. At some point, and it may as well be now, the OP is
    >>> going to have to increase the size of the primary partition or face
    >>> the same problems a little further down the road..<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >
    > Resizing the page file would be the best way to get enough free space
    > such that utilities would work, that and what I have suggested
    > directly to the OP.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    That is your opinion. From my point of view it is unneccesary.

    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Reducing the system restore space could take out valuable restore
    > points which the OP may well need in the very near future..
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    You only need a single restore point before the problem arose not every
    Tom , Dick or Harry back to time immemorial! In reality many users have
    great difficulties using System Restore. Many users have abandoned
    System Restore for other backup software.



    --


    Gerry
    ~~~~
    FCA
    Stourport, England
    Enquire, plan and execute
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     
  14. Gerry

    Gerry Guest

    Mike

    I agree with what you say except that I recently encountered a situation
    with one programme where reinstallation was not necessary. This runs
    contrary to the normal rule but what happened with this programme is not
    unique as I subsequently found it when it was discussed in these
    newsgroups.


    --


    Gerry
    ~~~~
    FCA
    Stourport, England
    Enquire, plan and execute
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    >
    > Gerry
    >
    > Many applications place files into the Windows folder and user account
    > folders. The practice of separating programs and the operating system
    > is for the most part a useless exercise, as all applications will
    > have to be re-installed again in the event of a major OS crash.. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
  15. Gerry

    Gerry Guest

    Mike

    Replies inline

    Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > news:%235cz0rN%23JHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> Mike
    >>
    >> Please explain why? You engage in a long debate. You fail to make
    >> your case and then out of frustration make a recommendation without
    >> explaining the risks of what you propose!
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >>
    >> Gerry
    >> ~~~~
    >> FCA
    >> Stourport, England
    >> Enquire, plan and execute
    >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >>
    >><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >
    > The risks of leaving the computer the way that it is outweigh the
    > risks of using Easeus.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    My proposals contained a number of changes so no one was suggesting
    "leaving the computer the way that it is"! The risks to be compared are
    those arising from my proposals and your solution. Changing a partition
    size is far riskier than anything I have suggested, especially given
    that you are suggesting software the OP has most likely no previous
    experience of using.
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >I have already suggested to the OP that some
    > applications are removed and any pertinent data to them is backed up
    > prior to using Easeus.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    You only mentioned Quicken. How do you know what other data is on the
    computer to be lost?
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    > I did NOT make a suggestion out of frustration, but I may get a little
    > frustrated if every time that I write anything, you follow up with
    > arguing the points.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    You started this debate by your ill considered remarks regarding my
    original advice to the OP seeking help. Did you seriously expect your
    intervention to go unchallenged? There are occasions when resizing the
    partition would be appropriate but based on the information we have this
    is not one. It is a choice the OP has. You could have avoided this
    confrontation had you chosen to let the OP make their choice based on
    the responses received.


    --


    Gerry
    ~~~~
    FCA
    Stourport, England
    Enquire, plan and execute
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     
  16. "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:uyWBtEV%23JHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Mike
    >
    > Replies inline
    >
    > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
    >> news:%235cz0rN%23JHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
    >>> Mike
    >>>
    >>> Please explain why? You engage in a long debate. You fail to make
    >>> your case and then out of frustration make a recommendation without
    >>> explaining the risks of what you propose!
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Gerry
    >>> ~~~~
    >>> FCA
    >>> Stourport, England
    >>> Enquire, plan and execute
    >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >>>
    >>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >>
    >>
    >> The risks of leaving the computer the way that it is outweigh the
    >> risks of using Easeus.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > My proposals contained a number of changes so no one was suggesting
    > "leaving the computer the way that it is"! The risks to be compared are
    > those arising from my proposals and your solution. Changing a partition
    > size is far riskier than anything I have suggested, especially given that
    > you are suggesting software the OP has most likely no previous experience
    > of using.
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>I have already suggested to the OP that some
    >> applications are removed and any pertinent data to them is backed up
    >> prior to using Easeus.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > You only mentioned Quicken. How do you know what other data is on the
    > computer to be lost?
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>
    >> I did NOT make a suggestion out of frustration, but I may get a little
    >> frustrated if every time that I write anything, you follow up with
    >> arguing the points.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > You started this debate by your ill considered remarks regarding my
    > original advice to the OP seeking help. Did you seriously expect your
    > intervention to go unchallenged? There are occasions when resizing the
    > partition would be appropriate but based on the information we have this
    > is not one. It is a choice the OP has. You could have avoided this
    > confrontation had you chosen to let the OP make their choice based on the
    > responses received.
    >
    >
    > --
    >
    >
    > Gerry
    > ~~~~
    > FCA
    > Stourport, England
    > Enquire, plan and execute
    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >
    >
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    Gerry

    They were not ill considered at all. The OP has just 155mb free space on a
    14gb partition. It is obviously not large enough and needs to be extended.
    There is 80gb free elsewhere on the drive

    Your suggestions would only free up a small amount of space which would soon
    be lost again if anything else was installed. It is best to keep 30% of a
    drive free if best performance is to be had. The ONLY way to do this is to
    extend the partition.

    The OP has already moved 'photos etc' to the D drive and still there is not
    enough free space. There is a very good chance that important data other
    than Quicken has already been moved.

    This is one of the most appropriate 'repartition' cases I have seen in a
    while. I have no idea why you think the opposite.

    --

    Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
     
  17. "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:%23DOpLxU%23JHA.2872@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Mike
    >
    > I agree with what you say except that I recently encountered a situation
    > with one programme where reinstallation was not necessary. This runs
    > contrary to the normal rule but what happened with this programme is not
    > unique as I subsequently found it when it was discussed in these
    > newsgroups.
    >
    >
    > --
    >
    >
    > Gerry
    > ~~~~
    > FCA
    > Stourport, England
    > Enquire, plan and execute
    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >
    >
    > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>
    >>
    >> Gerry
    >>
    >> Many applications place files into the Windows folder and user account
    >> folders. The practice of separating programs and the operating system
    >> is for the most part a useless exercise, as all applications will
    >> have to be re-installed again in the event of a major OS crash..<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    I have a program which can be moved. It is called 'Wintach' and was produced
    way back in the days of Win 95. Other than one or two other utilities,
    everything else I have needs to be re-installed in the event of a total OS
    crash.

    --

    Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
     
  18. On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:58:15 -0600, "Bill in Co."
    <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > > news:OuCYURP%23JHA.200@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > > Many applications place files into the Windows folder and user account
    > > folders. The practice of separating programs and the operating system is
    > > for
    > > the most part a useless exercise, as all applications will have to be
    > > re-installed again in the event of a major OS crash..<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    > Exactly. That's why it makes no sense to me to even try to separate them
    > out to another partition, because in reality, they are inextricably linked
    > to the windows partition.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    I'm with you entirely on that point.

    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > The only exception perhaps being for those who just want to back up their
    > data. But that's an incomplete "backup" methodology. But as Ken pointed
    > out, if they have no problem with the idea of reinstalling windows and their
    > programs all over again, should the need arise, so be it. (I think I would
    > rather cross the Sahara desert, than go through ALL that again - the time
    > invested would be inordinate). <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    Just to clarify my position a little further: I wouldn't want to go
    through all that again either, for the same reason. My only point is
    that although you and I appear to in much the same situation with
    regard to this, not everyone is.


    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  19. On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:30:22 +0100, "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Mike
    >
    > I agree with what you say except that I recently encountered a situation
    > with one programme where reinstallation was not necessary. This runs
    > contrary to the normal rule but what happened with this programme is not
    > unique as I subsequently found it when it was discussed in these
    > newsgroups.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->



    Gerry, let me make one small point here. Yes, what you describe is not
    unique, but it's fairly rare. It mostly happens only with programs
    that are simple and small.

    As I've said here numbers of times, "if you reinstall Windows, you
    will have to reinstall all your programs. Except for an occasional
    very small simple program, all programs have entries referring to them
    in the registry (as well as elsewhere). If you reinstall Windows, all
    those entries are lost, and the program won't work."


    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    > >
    > >
    > > Gerry
    > >
    > > Many applications place files into the Windows folder and user account
    > > folders. The practice of separating programs and the operating system
    > > is for the most part a useless exercise, as all applications will
    > > have to be re-installed again in the event of a major OS crash.. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  20. Gerry

    Gerry Guest

    Mike

    Every time you reply you dig yourself in deeper.

    "Your suggestions would only free up a small amount of space which would
    soon be lost again if anything else was installed. " How can you
    possibly know that?

    It is quite possible that my suggestions can achieve an increase in free
    disk space of 4.2 gb or 30% of the partition. If they only achieve 25%,
    the problem will be resolved because the growth in used space will occur
    in future mainly on D and not C. You proposal just wastes space in an
    enlarged C partition.

    Your comments were ill considered because you do not understand how to
    get the most of limited space on C . They were uninvited, misguided and
    unhelpful.

    --


    Gerry
    ~~~~
    FCA
    Stourport, England
    Enquire, plan and execute
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    >
    >
    > Gerry
    >
    > They were not ill considered at all. The OP has just 155mb free space
    > on a 14gb partition. It is obviously not large enough and needs to be
    > extended. There is 80gb free elsewhere on the drive
    >
    > Your suggestions would only free up a small amount of space which
    > would soon be lost again if anything else was installed. It is best
    > to keep 30% of a drive free if best performance is to be had. The
    > ONLY way to do this is to extend the partition.
    >
    > The OP has already moved 'photos etc' to the D drive and still there
    > is not enough free space. There is a very good chance that important
    > data other than Quicken has already been moved.
    >
    > This is one of the most appropriate 'repartition' cases I have seen
    > in a while. I have no idea why you think the opposite. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     

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