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Registry maintenance in Windows 10

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by 8biosdrive, Apr 18, 2019.

  1. 8biosdrive

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    Registry cleaners are snake oil.
     
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    I no longer use those tools. Never saw them help; only ran into trouble with them.
     
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    Ditto on all that was said.From my own experience they can be more harmful than anything.Best to do is, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
     
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    I've had more than one person tell me that they couldn't print after running a registry cleaner. Another said their computer wouldn't start. No one has ever said their computer ran better after running a cleaner.
     
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    Ok, thanks. Makes me wonder if the registry defrag and compression that System Mechanic regularly carried out on my XP computer was necessary.
     
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    Many do, but it's because they have to justify their purchase of the scam, or the placebo effect;)
     
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    I can't remember the last time that I defragged a computer.
    It really doesn't make any noticeable difference.
     
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    Agreed.

    I can't remember the last time I defragged a hard drive either. I guess it doesn't matter though, as I never noticed any increase in performance, so I gave up on it pretty quick. Plus, the sound the hard drive was making when being defragged was appalling. The hard drive was being thrashed. Each defrag probably reduced the life expectancy of the drive by a few percent:sad:
     
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    I find this surprising. My old 80 Gb Seagate and 250 Gb Western Digital hard drives running XP would become fragmented over time (over perhaps 4 to 6 months of use) and I often saw an improvement in speed of file retrieval following defragmenting. Those drives lasted for years (they're actually still running, but I'm retiring the computer!). The usual argument for defragging a hard drive (as opposed to the registry) is that the increased head movement required of the hdd on a fragmented drive will cause it to wear out prematurely. I think that's also the reason that native command queuing speeds up the efficiency of an hdd.
     
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    Under a few certain circumstances, defrags could be applicable on systems over 20 years ago. That's back in the time of very low capacity drives, inefficient file systems, and inefficient read/write algorithms.
     
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    From a software perspective, there is only 2 good ways to improve the performance of a modern computer.

    1) Disabling programs from automatically starting and running. This should include printer software, audio software, and video software.

    2) Remove big, bloated antivirus programs. I'm looking at you McAfee, Norton, Avast, and AVG.
     
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    Although there have been many improvements in hardware and software that may have reduced the impact of file fragmentation, for spinning hard drives it is still recommended on a regular basis (not for ssds however). Even in NTFS, data clusters will eventually get fragmented, ultimately slowing down file retrieval times. After all, if defragmentation wasn't needed why would Microsoft include the defrag utility in Windows 10, with weekly defragmentation scheduled as the default setting (I do mine manually, and only when the utility says it's necessary)? Here are just a few of many links recommending defragmentation:

    https://m.windowscentral.com/why-and-how-defragment-your-pcs-hard-drive-windows-10

    https://lifehacker.com/what-is-defragging-and-do-i-need-to-do-it-to-my-comp-5976424

    https://www.pcmag.com/news/364974/how-to-defrag-your-hard-drive-in-windows-10

    https://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/do-you-still-need-to-defrag-your-hard-drive-these-days/
     
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    Registry defragmentation, on the other hand, seems to be unnecessary (since registry fragments apparently aren't an obstacle for computer performance in Windows 10) and potentially harmful. Although there is still a lot of (mis)information out there saying it should be done periodically.
     
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    I'm not saying that a defrag won't improve load speed. I'm saying that the load speed increase will be minuscule. It's not like you'll be saying, "Wow, that loaded so much faster". Instead, you'll be saying, "I think it loaded faster, but I'll have to use a stopwatch to confirm it".
     
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    Defragging your system yes, defragging the registry is not necessary and dangerous. Note that the 'registry' is made up from several files, not just a single file.

    I use PerfectDisk Pro by Raxco on my Win7 Pro 64bit desktop. Has a feature 'Smart Placement' that moves the files use during boot to the head of you boot drive which does make booting smoother and slightly faster.
     
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    It's funny that people talk about their boot time in regards to a ssd or a defrag.

    There is no need to shut a computer down on a daily basis. All you're accomplishing is adding needless wear and tear to the computer. On a daily basis, a computer should be going into sleep mode. Once in a while, it's a good idea to shutdown or restart the computer in order to "refresh" the caches and the ram. How often you have to refresh depends on what programs you use, and how much ram you have. So you might want to refresh (shutdown or restart) every 2 weeks, or every 2 months. You'll know when the computer needs a refresh because the computer will start to slow down.
     
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    The only reason I shut down my computer is I hate to pay Peco any more than I have to.I do leave it on all day but shut it down at night.Maybe it doesn't cost that much to leave it on I will check and maybe leave it on.I run Linux and with that I read there is no need to shut down.Thanks for the post I have some thinking to do.I stopped worrying about boot times long ago, I eat breakfast first that is more important to I love eating.
     
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    The amount of power a computer uses in sleep mode is insignificant. About 25 cents a month.
     
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    Wow that's not much thanks I may change my ways.
     

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