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Mobile Wifi via SIM card slot

Discussion in 'Networking' started by Gerard, Apr 12, 2020.

  1. Gerard

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    Hello together,

    I am moving to another flat in two weeks of time. The problem: There is no internet connection and due to the Corona lockdown measures (in the UK), it is impossible for me to set something up in time.
    Even dongles or mobile Wifi routers won't arrive in time, as most deliveries are frozen.

    Now I was told that one can use mobile Wifi using only the sim card with an active data bundle.
    My laptop has a sim card slot, but does this also mean that it is capable of mobile Wifi? Do I need to install additional software? Do I need to be careful with respect to 3G vs 4G, that I don't get the wrong contract?

    The full specifications of my laptop are given here: https://support.lenovo.com/gb/en/solutions/migr-75308
    I am not experienced enough to get the answers to my questions from the specified hardware. Any help would be appreciated.

    Best,

    Gerard
     
  2. Tony D

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    First you need the proper hardward - a network adapter and antenna. I see in the specs that you provided, your computer does in fact have the network adapter to connect to the Internet using a SIM card. I will assume the antenna has been installed at the factory,

    The radio that connects your computer to the provider's data tower is the Integrated Mobile Broadband (Gobi 2000 3G with GPS).
    You should see that show up in your Device manager under Network Adapters, or maybe Modems.

    I think the SIM slot is under the battery.

    I don't know how to get it connected to your data plan. Maybe call your data plan provider for help.
     
  3. Gerard

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    Thank you, Tony!

    And I assume, re-installing my OS will not interfer with what they did at the factory?

    Does this mean it is only capable of 3G?
    My device manager:
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    I assume it is the marked component. The warning sign seems to stem from missing drivers. Automatically searching does not yield a result. I should find the proper driver on Lenovo's website, right?

    And yeah, the sim slot is under the battery :)
     
  4. Tony D

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    Nice shot of the Device Manager. How did you do that?

    Yes, only capable of 3G.

    If you reinstall the OS, you’ll have to go to Lenovo for those missing drivers. However if you reinstall from a recovery partition on the drive, the drivers should be included.
     
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    Oh I simply used the snipping tool of Windows (I wish had a more impressive answer^^). It saves a picture of the interior of a box that you draw with the cursor.

    I reinstalled without recovery.
    At Lenovo, I only find this here which does not list Windows 10:
    https://support.lenovo.com/gb/en/search?query=qualcomm gobi 2000&SearchType=Customer search&searchLocation=Masthead

    On another website, I also found this:
    https://www.driverscape.com/download/qualcomm-gobi-2000
    But this is not Lenovo so I am unsure what to do.

    EDIT: Another question: What do you think of using my smartphone as a mobile hotspot? Suppose I get enough data voloume for my phone sim card. It should make not much a difference money wise, and it is 4G, and everything is already setup.

    EDIT2: Forget the smartphone, my provider does not allow unlimited data plans. But I have another 4G capable laptop with Linux, which I could use as a hotspot (this is my work laptop, the thinkpad with windows is for freetime / multimedia stuff).
     
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    I think your computer came with Windows 7 and then you installed Windows 10. That driver on Lenovo's site will probably work. Give it a try.

    If your provider doesn't allow unlimited data, then it sounds like you won't be using the SIM card in your Lenovo either.
     
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    Alright.

    I could get another sim card for the laptop. I don't want to switch the mobile phone provider, though. So getting an unlimited sim card 4G and using my other Linux laptop as a hotspot would be the best option for now, wouldn't it.
     
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    If you want to use the Linux laptop as a hotspot, it would need a Network Adapter capable of picking up the data carrier's signal. The Network Adapter would have to be Linux compatible. There are several flavors of Linux out there. You'd have to find an adapter that works with your flavor.

    Then you'd need to set up your Linux machine as a hotspot.

    Also, you'll need a new plan that provides unlimited 4G data.

    With all that, it would be easier to contact a carrier and ask for a mobile hotspot device with a new 4G plan. It would be easy. Once the hotspot device is set up, you can connect to it wirelessly with your laptops.
     
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    I cannot get any devices due to the lockdown. This is the problem. Otherwise, sure, I would simply order a mobile wifi router or sth. like this. But this is not an option. That's why I am trying to make it work with a sim card, somehow. I have a fresh sim card of a provider at hand.

    I thought network adapters come with the notebook, i.e. it is part of the hardware?
    If it's just a piece of software that needs to be installed, than it should be no problem. Using Ubuntu 18. We are talking about the HP Elitebook 850 G5 (full specs: https://www8.hp.com/uk/en/laptops/product-details/product-specifications/18491276).
     
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    Let’s clear out some basics. To connect to a network, be it wired Ethernet, home/office WiFi, dial-up, or cellular, you need the proper hardware and software to connect the hardware to your operating system. The hardware is referred to as a Network Adapter. Each type of connection (Ethernet, WiFi, dial-up, cellular) will have its own specific adapter. In the case of wireless connections you also need an antenna. The appropriate antenna will be built into your laptop. The other networks will connect via a physical connector. The software is referred to as a driver. Drivers are specific to the hardware and operating system.

    The spec sheet you provided lists several options which may or may not have been installed. You need to look at the sheet for your specific machine or the Device Manager to see exactly what hardware was installed. The HP Elitebook may have a cellular network adapter. Most laptops I see don’t have a mobile network adapter. It may also have adapters for Ethernet, WiFi, and BlueTooth. At this point, I don’t know what’s installed.

    Let’s assume your Elitebook has a cellular network adapter. The spec sheet you provided says the Elitebook came with Windows 10. If it did come with W10, then it would have come with the software (driver) needed to connect the network adapter to Windows. If the computer now has Linux, you’ll need to find the appropriate driver to allow Linux to communicate with the mobile network adapter.

    Once you get the Linux laptop connected to your carrier, it will have Internet access. Great! If you then want to share the Internet with your Lenovo laptop, you need to set up Internet sharing in the Linux machine. This would make your Elitebook a hotspot.
     
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    Thank you Tony for this explanation.
    I will check the device manager in due time (and post a screen tomorrow). The spec may say it comes with Windows10, but I am not entirely sure that it really was the case with my machine. The laptop was provided by the university, so I have no idea what was installed. I already sent a message to the IT guys. Otherwise, I will need to install the driver myself.
     
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    I didn't see a mobile adapter in that list either. I did however see the WiFi and Ethernet network adapters. That's typical of what I see in laptops.

    A USB device such as the one you found on Amazon will work to get Internet access to your Windows machine as long as the device is compatible with your carrier. The spec doesn't show that it's compatible with Linux.
     
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    Man, that's complicated. In my head, the OS has no influence on which devices should and should not work. It's about the hardware, isn't it? I mean the laptop can use USB sticks, isn't that enough? The dongle "collects" the data from the web and feeds it to the laptop via USB. Isn't that the whole point?
     
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    Well, that's not true. For each piece of hardware, there is a piece of software that connects it to the Operating System. The software needs to talk to both the hardware and to the Operating System. Each Operating System has its own language. So as I said a few posts ago:
    Windows provides drivers for many devices. If a manufacturer manufactures a device for which Windows does not provide a Driver for, the manufacturer needs to provide one with the device. For the USB dongle you mentioned, here is the page to download the Driver. https://huawei-drivers.ru/huawei-e3372-driver-windows-download.html

    You can see, Drivers are only available for Windows machines.

    Yes, however, the dongle needs to communicate with the Operating System. That's where the Driver comes in.
     
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    Forgot to mention, if you want to use a device with Linux, the same holds true. You need a Driver that will connect the device to the Linux Operating System. Linux, as Windows, provides Drivers for many devices. That's why you can plug in a keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. The Drivers for those devices came with the Operating System.
     
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    Thank you Tony, that makes sense. Then I am really running out of time. I would need a device like that that works with my OS, i.e. that comes with a link to a linux driver or something like that. Does the linux distribution matter, whether I use Ubuntu or something else?

    And to my windows machine: So as long as my sim card works with the device, say my Vodafone sim card works with the Huawei dongle, it should work and I can also use my laptop as a hotspot.
     
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    I’m not familiar with Linux enough to advise you on this matter. I don’t know for sure if you can use the Windows as a hotspot. I’ll have to do some checking. In the ‘old days’ we could employ Internet Connection Sharing.

    I found an article for you on Microsoft’s site https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027762/windows-use-your-pc-as-a-mobile-hotspot

    Use your PC as a mobile hotspot
    Applies to: Windows 10
    Turn your Windows 10 PC into a mobile hotspot by sharing your Internet connection with other devices over Wi-Fi. You can share a Wi-Fi, Ethernet, or cellular data connection. If your PC has a cellular data connection and you share it, it will use data from your data plan.

    • Select the Start button, then select Settings > Network & Internet > Mobile hotspot.

    • For Share my Internet connection from, choose the Internet connection you want to share.

    • Select Edit > enter a new network name and password > Save.

    • Turn on Share my Internet connection with other devices.

    • To connect on the other device, go to the Wi-Fi settings on that device, find your network name, select it, enter the password, and then connect.
     
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    Thank you, that works just fine!

    Now I just need to make sure that my provider's sim card is compatible with one of the USB dongles on Amazon (or find another provider), use the device on my windows machine, and then use the latter as a hotspot.

    I will let you know if I know more or if everything works. Thank you thus far for helping me find a solution! I really appreciate it. Am in the middle of my PhD and it would be terrible to be offline in the next couple of weeks.
     
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    You’re on your way.
     

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