Edge, IE & oh, yeah, Extensions

I could have put these comments as 'Relies' to a few threads I see... but, will just tackle it all here.

I use, prefer & openly express enthusiasm for Edge. A big factor to this is (1) its (cool) Features, that do not exist in IE & (2) the fact that its performance is so vastly superior to IE. Other things can almost be considered subjective appeal... clean, clear & easy to use.

As for the fact that some Folks are either bemoaning the lack of extensions or waiting to use Edge until they are there. Well, they are coming. There will be a slew of them available via Store. Technically, they already exist, well, 3 of them, so far lol. As of Insider Build 14291 or 14295 (for sure) Extensions are available to try; not currently using the Store route for access. But, does demonstrate an ease to getting them into Edge. And the 2 or 3 presently offered are darn kewl. One translates web sites/pages & another avails mouse gestures capable of performing a big array of common functions.

I'll be bold enough to say many who fault 10 may not have 'understood' it from the onset. It was the meaning in Windows 10 comma Windows as a Service. The "Service" being what Win10 was going to bring, do & be. The understanding that 10 was an ongoing project. That it would evolve, grow and respond to End Users, environments, demands & feedback.

Part of enjoying or @ least embracing 10 is the ride, the journey and what's around the next bend or over the next hill or on the next horizon. Win will keep changing & blossoming. It's begun a process & a quite different approach to computing than w/ Operating Systems, per se before Windows 10. Hang on, may be a wild & exciting ride... there is going to be some very neat stuff ahead down the IT road.

Cheers,
Drew

 

I take it, that's a Positive.

 

Hey Dougie tell us you what you really think. I am with Dougie actually and I will relist my reasons.

First of all I think that a new OS should so something desirable the old one will not do and I don't see
anything Windows 10 can do that Windows 7 cannot do.
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Second I would need the new OS to do something the old one does but better or faster. There again I see Windows 7 being far less complicated
and far easier to do any task in therefore I have trouble liking or disliking Windows 10 because I don't see the purpose for it.
It does all the same things and in many cases takes longer to do so therefore what was the need to create it other than money?

The Start Menu is not a start menu like past Windows versions had that easily allowed you to find programs and system tools
not on desktop, but is rather the old "Start"or "Metro" from Windows 8 shrunk down to start menu size and the vast majority of users
already rejected that as confusing and hard to use.

Drew I find "Edge" so Spartan that I think I would see extensions if they were already there. Exactly what are the ones you say are there?
I take it you don't use Wot, Adblock plus, LastPass or Mouse Gestures and I cannot effectively use a browser without them any more making "Edge" my worst nightmare.

I recently had a call from a customer complaining that since buying a laptop with Windows 10, since there is no way to control downloads and installs of Windows
Updates, his wireless internet card bill has doubled since he cannot control when updates are done as his usage is limited but free early in the AM and I had to tell him
he no longer has control of them so I cannot tell him how to set them for his free time periods. He asked me why he had to have Windows 10 and what it did for him
and I was really caught off guard with nothing I could find to say of a positive nature.

 

Hi Drew. I respect your opinion and it's only an opinion.
I just smiled at your verbal gushing of an unfinished OS.

 

That's exactly why is use Stardocks Start8 and Start10....for $5 you can't be it. IMO it's much better than Classic shell, even though it's free.

For us enthusiasts/hobbyists and builders....this is the "only defacto" why we hate 10 with such a passion. I'm smart enough to know what my machine needs, when it needs it and how to apply it. Now on the flip side of that argument, I can see how completely necessary it would be for the common/everyday user who has no idea how and where to update there PC's....It's what MS is counting on.

If MS would add a patch just for use users to take back control of updating the system and drivers....I'd be the first one on the 10 band wagon!

 

After reading some of the stuff in this forum regarding window time updating without control I just want to say that if you set the connection as metered you will have full control when to update your window 10 or download update's

 

Can you explain that Joe as I have no idea what you are talking about as we can see updates there if you search for them but I see no settings at all in Home version.
I see where it says that Windows updates will not download over metered connections (when charges apply) yet they obviously do . And then what are we supposed to assume that if the user is on a metered costing connection they never get them? That makes no sense.

 

Correct.

 

I see where it says that Windows updates will not download over metered connections thats exacly it rich-m it works for me the are other ways to do it

 

You are not finding anything in Home because there isn't anything to find; not in Home. And Pro just lets the End User choose when a required Restart will occur. Enterprise can defer (delay) them.

There are several good reasons for there approach there now is to Windows Updates and benefits because of it. Albeit tough for some to see or appreciate.

Cute, comical & clever changing on-going to unfinished. It's not really a matter of comparing one OS to another (10 doesn't really equal to a pure OS, per se, anyway) or picking preferred ice cream flavours... It is Windows 10 now... in time it's predecessors will fade away... It can either be accepted as de rigueur or not because it's not going away. So, point is, it doesn't really matter how different 10 is from Windows 3 or 5, how better or worse... it's what IS. And it will just keep on giving...

Menus & (ease of) access:
You know for many moons we had comments regarding start buttons, menus or the lack thereof and ways of doing things and finding things in 8.0 & 8.1 8.1 supposedly pleasing Folks w/ a Start button and whatever else. Still, there were tiles & hidden things popping out of Hot Corners & Hot Edges... A plethora of things (some) people hated. And some thought they had to have a 3rd party start.

Then, 10 comes along & says, "Hey, here's your Start menu back". So, here is 2 cents for thought...
1. Really see no need for 3rd party starts in Windows 10 (let alone 8.1)
2. If one does not care to scroll the Start menu All Applications, one can have everything display in a window. Also, now one can go to the alphabet letter wanted & not scroll the listings.
3. This was, also, true in 8 & 8.1... people forget about the Power Users menu! Win+X. It is your friend & a damn big help when it comes to quickly & easily accessing many commonly wanted things.
3. The Jumplist in Win10 is, also, your friend; especially (when) coupled w/ Quick Access.
4. One can, also, find using the Desktop Toolbar really nice, as well... plus, this makes it so no icons need to be showing on the desktop, too.

The caveat is navigating Win10 is / can be very quick, easy & done w/ VERY few clicks. And this is w/out any 3rd party add-ons.

There are some neat developments in both Edge & Win10, currently, in the Insider Builds. Some, in one form or another, will show up in the mainstream Windows 10 installations in the not too distant future.

I hate to say it & some will just sough it off as 'opinion' or bias but, sometimes good things or even ok things are misconstrued as bad or painted as bad. It's a 'human' thing to see or look for bad & be 'blocked' from seeing value or sound reasons for things. Acceptance is not a natural tendency sometimes. And btw, acceptance & complacency are not the same thing. Working for the masses will piss off some individuals. But, overall, the BIG step from the past to Windows 10 is a good one.

Cheers,
Drew

 

Here is what it states. The link you provides was for Windows 8.1 not 10.

 

ok drew here is the link to stop forced updates in windows home edition and professional if you dont know ask you will get the answer here is one of the fast link i found thank you
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/w...dows-10-home-windows-10-professional-3626701/

 

Thanks that's what I needed to see. Joe please don't feel like asking for proof is because we don't believe you. My guess is if something was against what you thought you would ask to see it in writing also, just to be sure because we both are helping a lot of people and are responsible for their success or failure so we should require proof to change what we are doing.

 

When MS realizes they don't have enough control over enforced users, they bring out a new OS/update to rectify it.

Downloads itself to your machine without you specifically asking for it?

Aggressively attempts to install itself taking over your computer in the process?

Sends unknown and/or encrypted data to known and unknown third parties?

Sends personally identifying information to known and unknown third parties?

I believe Update KB971033 is disguised (Phone home to MS) with your information.

The hide of MS to dictate to me Software torrents are not allowed.

I have Windows 10 and was an insider.

When are the informed going to rise up against MS and reject in mass their below the belt tactics?

To me honestly MS is as bad as any Computer Hacker.

That's my opinion.

Set my mind at rest somebody, and prove to me this doesn't happen.

I just love my Windows 10. It doesn't get any better.

 

I could not agree more Dougie and the scary thing is that 5 years from now we might actually be fighting to hang on to Windows 10 because we can barely remember Windows7 and Microsoft has come out with an even more obnoxious version of Windows. I mean how long will this go on. Last night on Paltalk someone told me that Windows 10 has so many more options and can do so much more than Windows 7 so I asked for examples and got that you can see 10 desktops on it? Well I have no idea how many desktops I can see on Windows 7 but am struggling to see where I would ever need 2 desktops as I have enough trouble with one. And I am still looking for answers that pertain to the average user because he is the one there are the most of. I don't know how many people running around are excited that they can see 10 desktops but I don't see it anywhere bear a majority of users. I want to know when the distortion of what we use Windows for turned south in Windows 8, was cemented in Windows 8.1 and then we were told would be fixed for good by Windows 10 and we are still looking at a system the average user can open up and not figure out what to do with. Somehow I think being able to find what it is you want on your desktop is way more important than how many desktops you can see that you don't know how to use?
Now I will sit back and wait for the host of emails I will get that I am continuing my rant about Windows 10 that I have never given a fair chance to, when as it happens I have 2 desktops and have had them running simultaneously for about 2 months one with Windows 7 and the other with Windows 10. Why is it then that exposed to both do I only work on anything of any importance on my Windows 7 desktop and do nothing of any value on the Windows 10 desktop? I guess I am that obtuse I cannot see the intrinsic value of the newer system?

 

If MS continues with this....and it seems they will, even on a larger scale....I think I just might make the move to a Linux Distro. Then I'll have to fight with the learning curve of Linux....either way it just plain sucks!

 

I have found that Linux is even easier to use and configure than Windows or any program there for in. Down side it that you cannot run windows based programs through Linux unless you use a program like Wine.

http://www.wired.com/2016/03/microsoft-making-linux-apps-run-windows-isnt-crazy/
http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/30/11331014/microsoft-windows-linux-ubuntu-bash

 

Rich,

Forgive me if I wasn't clear enough. The few Extensions that DO currently exist are in the latest Insiders Build, only, so far. One is Mouse Gestures, another translates foreign language web sites. There will be a lot more in a while. Once this shows up in the regular Win10 installations, believe one will fetch wanted Extensions from Store.

I am running both a normal Win10 & Insider Builds. Things are in Insider Builds 1st. There are a few other kewl things that one does not see YET in the mainstream Builds.

Cheers,
Drew

 

Ah Ok got it Drew!

 

A big percentage of really good suggested changes by insiders never see the light of day.
Instead, they are put in the "too hard to change" category by MS.
Another cool introduction by MS is adding "Cortana" to Skype pretending to make Skype better, when in fact just another information gathering Tool.