When I have bought discs in spindles I have never counted them; most were ordered. Didnt want to return and never sure could get corrected if wrong. Today I had a new spindle of 50 DVD-R discs and decided to count and number them as used. I didnt expect 50 because used some, but found 40. This got me wondering. I have a 25 count DVD-RW 1-4x that have not been used. So I counted them. Found 20 discs and counted 3 times to be sure. These would read but not format as Video or VR in my DVR machine, nor play. May try in PC drive. But now I am wondering if anyone else has bought spindles, counted them, and found less than full count and if so what if anything did they do about it other than not buy more ? And did all or most of them work? I usually use Princo White label 4x DVD-R in my Sansui 2004 DVR machine. Higher speed usually doesnt work well and it may be a 1-4x or similar machine. These discs are usually all good-rarely find a bad disc. But now I believe I will count them when buy and I wonder if others find count is less than expected.