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Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by solopirate, Oct 13, 2020.

  1. solopirate

    solopirate Registered Members

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    I have added my pc info for you all to see, (actually saves me from writing it all :) ).
    I would like some info on how to speed up my computer, and the truth behind all
    those registry cleaner`s/memory optimizes/"speed up my pc" software. Quite simply,
    do they really work?
    My pc has got really sluggish, and the boot up time was under a minute. Now it`s like
    1m 48s.
    To start with, i do have Nox Player. However, when i open that up,let`s just say, a snail
    moves faster. In a typical game, it takes about 25 seconds for the move i made, to take
    effect. Even when Nox is not running, the whole computer runs slow. Remember that snail ?
    I do have the freeware version of CCleaner and i do use that. The temp files are alway`s
    cleaned out, as well as the system files. My pc gets de fragmented once a month. After all
    that, it is still slow, (the computer, not the snail ) lol.
    Finally, i do bring up Task Manager, and check to see what is running in the background.Nox
    has a habit of doing that, when it`s not being used.
    Can anyone tell me, what can i do, (in layman`s terms), to speed up my pc, and does software
    that i previously mentioned, really work?
    Thanks.
     

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  2. Digerati

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    I personally feel the Registry cleaner in CCleaner is a worthwhile tool to have in my tool bag. HOWEVER, that is the only Registry cleaner I would trust and most importantly, it is not for and should not be used to "optimize" a computer, or to "speed up" a computer. Those claims are, IMO, marketing hogwash. IMO, it should only be used to "maintain" a computer.

    That said, as a long time fan of CCleaner, when it comes to the Registry and Windows 10, Windows 10 is already very capable at keeping itself optimized. So IMO, for most users, there is no need to use the Registry cleaning feature.

    As a cleaner of clutter (temp files, old cookies, etc.) CCleaner is excellent. But then so is Windows own integrated Disk Cleanup.

    What do you mean when you say your system is defragged once a month? I ask because if you leave the defaults alone (which I recommend), Windows 10 automatically defrags when needed.

    What do you have loading with Windows? Programs that start with Windows are typically the main cause for longer boot times. But that does not indicate a problem, or that the computer is slowing down.

    How much free disk space do you have?
     
  3. plodr

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    Avoid, they do more harm that good.

    You recently switched to animated desktop. Have you noticed the slowdown since you did this? If so, you've found the answer.
     
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  4. Tony D

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    Those "speed up your computer" apps really don't help. They may remove some things that the computer needs. Stay away from them.

    Your computer has a slow processor. Nothing you can do about that.
    It will benefit from a RAM upgrade. You have only 4 GB installed. Suggest you go to 8 GB. It'll help a bit.

    Next look at what apps are starting with the computer.
    Look at the hard drive. Is it getting full? Sometimes they just slow down after a few years.
     
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  5. Tony D

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    Looks like a few of us posted at the same time.
     
  6. starbuck

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    Definitely leave them alone.
    As has already been stated.... they may cause more problems than they cure.
     
  7. Seth Anthony

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    I agree with the others to stay far away from any of those "cleaners".

    Like Tony mentioned, you have a very slow processor, but going from 4gb to 8gb of ram is a great idea. SSD's are pretty cheap now, so I would suggest that upgrade as well.

    If you upgrade the ram, don't waste your money on a new stick. Get it second hand on Ebay for a fraction of what it would cost new.
     
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  8. solopirate

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    Digerati: I have a 1TB Hard Drive. 820 GB of it is free.
    I have included a screenshot of what de fragment is.
    I have no idea of what load`s when Windows start`s.
    I would have to have easy instructions if i was to look at that more closely,
    or to make any change`s.
    Plodr: My computer has been slow for a long time, way before i installed the
    animated desktop.
    Seth Anthony: If i want to do as you suggested, (upgrade the Ram), would i use
    the same info that i showed you guy`s in my first post, or do i need any other info,
    to make sure it`s right what i need when i`m buying?
    The general consensus seems to be, to leave those registry cleaner`s alone, so i will.
    It seems that the free version of Ccleaner is really all i need anyway.
    Hope this info helps.
     

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  9. plodr

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    Good: 820 GB free on a 1TB drive.
    Good: auto defrag is on, so you don't have to worry about that.
    Good: animated desktop is not the issue.
    Good: keep out of the registry.

    I'll let others instruct you on the RAM and also how to find what loads at startup. (I run Win 7 so I avoid giving steps for 10 because directions might not match what you see.)
     
  10. Digerati

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    I think it sad CCleaner's registry cleaner is automatically lumped into the same category as all registry cleaners and optimizers by some (typically by those who have never used CCleaner's feature :(), then automatically accuse it of causing more problems. :(

    Does it really make sense Piriform (now part of Avast) would keep a feature in their extremely popular, flagship product for nearly 2 decades if it really caused more problems? Does it really make sense that a developer like Piriform would not correct such problems - if they existed? Does it make sense a developer like Piriform would just sit on their thumbs for 17 years and not continue to improve and keep their programs updated? Why is it assumed that "all" cleaners are not only alike, but evil too?

    Millions and millions and millions of CCleaner users are out there. Why aren't the forums, including CCleaner's own inundated with reports that say, "I ran CCleaner's Registry cleaner and now my computer doesn't work"?

    FTR,
    CCleaner is probably the least aggressive cleaner out there - a good thing.
    CCleaner's Registry cleaner scans and lists issues, and then allows user to select which finding to fix, or not fix. It does not automatically change any setting.
    It never intimidates user with 1000s of findings that are labeled with scary terms predicting doom if not corrected.
    It never finds 1000s of problems (or even 1 problem) that can only be fixed by paying for the pro version.
    CCleaner always prompts to backup the registry before making any changes.
    The restore from backup feature actually works.

    Windows own Registry editor, regedit, is MUCH MORE dangerous IMO because (1) changes occur in real-time. You make any change and it is done. Period. There is no undue. No boxes to uncheck. No "save" or "cancel" options. (2) There is no prompt to backup the Registry. In fact, there is no Backup Registry option! One has to know they need to "Export" and then one must know how to "Import" - assuming they can get the computer running again. Yet we see folks recommend making changes to the Registry all the time.

    Anecdotally, I have used CCleaner 1000s of time on 100s of different computers and never, not once ever had it brick one. At worse, a simple reboot got all going again.

    Will it make your computer run "better than new"? Of course not. It is not marketed that way either - unlike the claims of some snake-oil "optimizers". I am not promoting it either. While a fan, Microsoft also has not been sitting on their thumbs the last couple decades. W10 is indeed very effective at keeping itself optimized. So IMO, Registry cleaners, including CCleaner's are rarely needed anymore.

    I said "rarely", not "never".

    Even with W10, you can have a stubborn graphics driver, for example, that is blocking you from upgrading your driver. Or if switching from NVIDIA to AMD or vice versa, the new driver may fail to install properly. Running CCleaner's Registry cleaner often takes care of the problem.

    Another anecdotal example - I upgraded from Office 2013 to Office 2016 on this W10 Pro system. I kept getting errors when starting Excel. Running CCleaner's Registry cleaner found and fixed several dozen path and orphaned link issues relating to both Office 2013 and 2016 programs. After that, no problems running any 2016 programs or options. Did it break other features on my computer? Nope.

    Oh well. I don't want to get into another argument over this with others who have already epoxied their opinions in their minds. I just want to set the record straight. While Registry cleaners are NOT cure-all miracle workers, and they will not make your computers run "better than new", they are not all created equal either. And CCleaner's Registry cleaner specifically does not deserve to be summarily lumped in with all others as something evil.

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    @solopirate - well free disk space certainly is not a problem.

    If you run Task Manager - (right click on Task Bar and select Task Manager) then look under the Startup tab, it will show you what programs start with Windows.

    And yes, no need to run CCleaner's Regsitry cleaning feature (which, BTW, is in the free version of CCleaner too).
     
  11. Tony D

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    I one time I used CCleaner's register cleaner. It really screwed up the machine. I had to reload the OS. This was back in W98. I've never used it since and I don't recommend anyone use it. The register cleaner is not needed.

    I've had one person call me because he couldn't print after running CCleaner. I see no need for the program.
     
  12. Seth Anthony

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    A registry cleaner is the epitome of trying to fix what isn't broken. There is no need and no benefit for the typical end user to use a registry cleaner, and that's why this site does not recommend them. They are "snake oil" at best, and cause problems at worst. I'm also not aware of any tech or any other computer help forum that recommends their use.

    Regarding the examples given:


    I wouldn't have run a program like CC unless it only targeted the exact registry items in question. For leftover reg entries that are causing a re-install or update issue for a driver (rare), I would have used Regedit's search option to only look for and remove the registry keys that I wanted it to remove. For the Office issue, I would have just run the built in Office repair tool, or in a drastic case (also rare), I would have just re-installed it.

    Granted, there may be a specific time when a tech utilizes a registry cleaner (not that I know of any), but they're something that a typical end user should avoid.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ran+ccleaner+registry+cleaner+problem+won't+start&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA815CA815&oq=ran+ccleaner+registry+cleaner+problem+won't+start&aqs=chrome..69i57.12895j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Solopirate:

    The first cheap and easy thing to do is upgrade the ram. Although, given the symptoms, it sounds like that hard drive is on it's last legs. Back up your data if needed.

    Before addressing the ram, open NOX then go into Task Manager. Post back with the usage percentage of the CPU, Memory, and Hard Drive. Also post back with the model number of the computer.
     
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    So one time from 20 years ago condemns an entire class of products forever? Not just for yourself, but in the advice you automatically give to everyone? :( And not because they "will" but because they "may" do something based on one event from 20 years ago?

    Pretty much illustrates my point about how sad it is how biases can cement prejudices. No way is CCleaner from 20 years ago the same product it is today, anymore than W10 is the same as W98.

    I've had 2 computers permanently bricked after flashing the BIOS. I have had different, popular anti-malware programs break computers many times throughout my career. Does it cause me grief? Absolutely. Do I condemn the entire class of products? No way. Do I condemn the specific products for life? No way.

    And what about popular programs like Revo Uninstaller. Revo clearly is a Registry cleaner, there are forum complaints about it breaking things and yet it is often recommended. Winaero, a Registry "tweaker" is too. Driver updaters purge and update Registry entries.

    I would never recommend anyone who doesn't know what they are doing to use CCleaner's Registry cleaner. But I would much rather they do use it than dink around with regedit. And I don't recommend folks use it "fix" a broken computer, but rather to keep it running properly - preferably starting from when the computer is new, or after a fresh install of the OS.

    And Seth - did you look at the timestamps of your Google hits? 2006! 2010! Yeah, a real indication the forums are inundated with problems. :rolleyes:

    Again, I am not promoting it. But it is due a fair shake based on real, first-hand and current experiences. And again, it is pointless to debate when minds are already made up. So I'm moving on.
     
  14. solopirate

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    Digerati: Thank you so so much for the input thst you kindly took took time
    to do. I appreciate it so much, and the reading was informative.
    I had a large file on my pc, that stored my MP3 music/list of song`s. It was
    really only for backup, just in case. I deleted that to allow more space, and a
    couple of other programs, and files. I did this this morning, and have not restarted
    my pc yet, so when i do, after deleting all that, i will see what, if any, improvement
    has been made. I have included a screenshot to show what is happening at start-up.
    So my final question is this:
    Should i just simply uninstall the Ccleaner?
    It look`s as if it has been cleaning the registry quite well, but can the pc do that using
    anything (pre installed by Microsoft), that can clean the reg?
    If cleaning the reg is not vital or necessary, then i`m not worried about it.
    At a later date, i will buy some extra RAM. Obviously, that WILL help.
    I will wait for the final reply/replies on this, and then let top bosses mark it as "solved"
    I am so glad i found this site, and found many people who are willing to write and help.
    Thanks to all of you for your patience with me, and understanding what i am trying to say.
    THANK YOU ALL !!!!!.
     

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    Since you addressed my comments directly Digerati, I feel compelled to respond :)

    The time is irrelevant. What's relevant is what the product is designed to do. For almost all instances, a registry cleaner, is not needed, has no benefit, and has the potential to cause serious problems.

    Comparing a registry cleaner to a BIOS flash or an antivirus program is comparing apples to oranges.

    A BIOS flash should only be conducted when there is a specific need to do so. Unlike CC, it should not be done "just because".

    Antivirus programs are a necessity for the typical end user. CC is not.
     
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    It has not been cleaning the Registry unless you specifically and manually told it too from within the CCleaner application. It never cleans automatically on its own. The CCleaner in your task manager is for their auto-updater. I never use them. I believe that real-time component also keeps track of your cookies in real time. I don't worry about that either.

    When I run CCleaner, which I do once every couple weeks, I just run the Custom Clean option to clear out unwanted cookies and temp files.

    Note all those entries in task manager say those items are disabled and having no impact on startup.
     
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    FTR, my objections are not folks claiming Registry cleaners are "not needed". I have no problems with folks expressing their opinions. I didn't spend 24 years in the military defending those rights only to trample on them.

    My objections are folk (often immediately and automatically when they are mentioned) clamoring on and telling others "do not use" or "stay away", "they cause more harm than good" when they have no recent or even any personal experience with them - and in particular, with CCleaner which should not be lumped with the others.

    And also for the record, my objection when it is implied or suggested I am recommending it's use "just because" when I have never, as in never ever, said or implied any such thing! :(

    Now I really am moving on. The bike trail is calling me and I have 19 miles to go to beat last year's 4,427 mile personal record.
     
  18. Tony D

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    I think we're all on the same page here in saying CCleaner's register cleaner shouldn't be used unless there's a good reason for it. Cleaning temps is fine if that's something you like to do.

    No need to uninstall it. Just don't use the registry cleaner.

    That's our take on things.
     
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    Admin !!!!
    Can you please mark this thread as "solved" now please.
    Thank you.
     
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    No problem, solopirate.
    I sure will.
     

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