Can Vista use all 4MB of RAM?

I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
know?

 

From: <rmo555@cox.net>

| I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
| to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
| know?


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Dave

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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:05:49 -0400, rmo555@cox.net wrote:
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>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
>to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
>know?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Dur to other hardware chewing up somewhere between .5 and .8 mb of
memory, Vista only get to use 3.2 to 3.5mb for the OS and programs.
So, it's all being used by your computer, it's just not all available
to the OS.

 

From: "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com>

| On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:05:49 -0400, rmo555@cox.net wrote:
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
>>to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
>>know?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

| Dur to other hardware chewing up somewhere between .5 and .8 mb of
| memory, Vista only get to use 3.2 to 3.5mb for the OS and programs.
| So, it's all being used by your computer, it's just not all available
| to the OS.


I think you had better re-examine your answer and your nomenclature.

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<rmo555@cox.net> wrote in message
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>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
> to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
> know?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->



Windows has been capable of using more than 4MB ram for years.

 

Explain how you arrive at this

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"Sinner" <sinner@gatesofhell.org> wrote in message
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> <rmo555@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:5ree959ufe5nospni8q4he5ac06igl34s8@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
>> to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
>> know?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
>
> Windows has been capable of using more than 4MB ram for years.
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

"Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Explain how you arrive at this
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Because, your brain is filling in info that isn't there. The message says
"4MB", not the 4GB that you're seeing.

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>> <rmo555@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:5ree959ufe5nospni8q4he5ac06igl34s8@4ax.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
>>> to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
>>> know?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows has been capable of using more than 4MB ram for years.
>>
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
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<rmo555@cox.net> wrote in message
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>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
> to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
> know?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

I doubt it. I think the area above 3 Gbyte limit is used for memory mapping
a variety of IO devices, and even if you could force 32 bit Vista to look
above that limit, any enabled RAM would conflict with these addresses.

 

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Guess you did not understand.

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"Sinner" <sinner@gatesofhell.org> wrote in message
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> "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:u%23GeG15JKHA.4432@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Explain how you arrive at this
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Because, your brain is filling in info that isn't there. The message says "4MB",
> not the 4GB that you're seeing.
>
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
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>> "Sinner" <sinner@gatesofhell.org> wrote in message
>> news:%23mNOwl4JKHA.4168@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>> <rmo555@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:5ree959ufe5nospni8q4he5ac06igl34s8@4ax.com...
>>>>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
>>>> to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
>>>> know?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Windows has been capable of using more than 4MB ram for years.
>>>
>>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Peter Webb wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> <rmo555@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:5ree959ufe5nospni8q4he5ac06igl34s8@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
>> to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
>> know?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> I doubt it. I think the area above 3 Gbyte limit is used for memory
> mapping a variety of IO devices, and even if you could force 32 bit
> Vista to look above that limit, any enabled RAM would conflict with
> these addresses.
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Your reply is perfectly correct ... for 4Gb, but if you re-read the
message the OP was asking about 4MB not 4Gb

Simon

 

Hi,

What you're probably thinking of is that once SP1 is installed, Vista will
report seeing all 4GB (not MB) of installed ram in a 32-bit installation.
However, it cannot actually use it under any circumstances. As Peter Webb
has pointed out, the 4GB of address space available in Vista 32-bit is
partially used for hardware, the remaining amount is allocated for
addressing memory.

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<rmo555@cox.net> wrote in message
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>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
> to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
> know? <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

"Sinner" <sinner@gatesofhell.org> wrote:
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><rmo555@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:5ree959ufe5nospni8q4he5ac06igl34s8@4ax.com...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
>> to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
>> know?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>Windows has been capable of using more than 4MB ram for years. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Only server systems (which use PAE to accomplish this) and 64-bit
systems. 32-bit XP and Vista cannot use a full 4MB. See
for a discussion.

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Tim Slattery
MS MVP(Shell/User)
Slattery_T@bls.gov

 

Sinner;1122317 Wrote: <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Peter Foldes" <okf22@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:u%23GeG15JKHA.4432@xxxxxx> > > <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > Explain how you arrive at this
> > > > > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Because, your brain is filling in info that isn't there. The message
> says
> "4MB", not the 4GB that you're seeing.
> <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > >
> > > Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
> > > Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > acknowledged.<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > >
> > > "Sinner" <sinner@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:%23mNOwl4JKHA.4168@xxxxxx> > > > >
> > > >> <rmo555@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > >> news:5ree959ufe5nospni8q4he5ac06igl34s8@xxxxxx
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Windows has been capable of using more than 4MB ram for years.
> > > >>
> > > >>> > > >
> > > > > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


Here is a reasonably good explanation of how the address space is being
used in a 32bit system: 'Reader Question: Maximum Memory in 32-bit
Windows Vista - Windows Vista help'
()
With PAE you can "stretch" the addressability. But that has performance
implications because you need extra cycles to fetch the info from
memory. '[OC]ModShop - Enable 4GB of memory on Vista'
()


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"Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
news:l2lf95pg3dcncimpdk2rqc9amu7tb5drie@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> "Sinner" <sinner@gatesofhell.org> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>><rmo555@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:5ree959ufe5nospni8q4he5ac06igl34s8@4ax.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
>>> to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
>>> know?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>Windows has been capable of using more than 4MB ram for years.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Only server systems (which use PAE to accomplish this) and 64-bit
> systems. 32-bit XP and Vista cannot use a full 4MB. See
> for a discussion.
><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

They let you vote? You can't even comprehend what you're reading. The
original post said 4MB (Megabytes) moron, not 4GB (Gigabytes)! And you get
the MVP?

 

Tim Slattery <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote:
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>"Sinner" <sinner@gatesofhell.org> wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>><rmo555@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:5ree959ufe5nospni8q4he5ac06igl34s8@4ax.com...<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>>>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
>>> to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
>>> know?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>Windows has been capable of using more than 4MB ram for years. <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
>Only server systems (which use PAE to accomplish this) and 64-bit
>systems. 32-bit XP and Vista cannot use a full 4MB. See
> for a discussion.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Ugh! I assume OP meant 4GB. I answered on that basis, though I copied
his use of MB instead of GB.

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MS MVP(Shell/User)
Slattery_T@bls.gov

 

Vista can only use 3.2 to 3.5mb for the OS and programs? No wonder people
complain of slow start problems. Barely enough left to run notepad!

Guess I wasted my money buying 4 GIG of RAM!

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Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
news:9cfe95pecjls8vr9n429c09tbdp9dbsqrm@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:05:49 -0400, rmo555@cox.net wrote:
><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
>>to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
>>know?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Dur to other hardware chewing up somewhere between .5 and .8 mb of
> memory, Vista only get to use 3.2 to 3.5mb for the OS and programs.
> So, it's all being used by your computer, it's just not all available
> to the OS.
>
> <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Richard Urban;1122724 Wrote: <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> Vista can only use 3.2 to 3.5mb for the OS and programs? No wonder
> people
> complain of slow start problems. Barely enough left to run notepad!
>
> Guess I wasted my money buying 4 GIG of RAM!
>
> --
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
>
> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:9cfe95pecjls8vr9n429c09tbdp9dbsqrm@xxxxxx> > > <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:05:49 -0400, rmo555@xxxxxx wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > > >>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit
> > > Vista
> > > >>to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
> > > >>know?> > > >
> > >
> > > Dur to other hardware chewing up somewhere between .5 and .8 mb<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > of<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > memory, Vista only get to use 3.2 to 3.5mb for the OS and<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > programs.<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > So, it's all being used by your computer, it's just not all<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > available<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > to the OS.
> > >
> > > > > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Even at 3.3 or 3.5GBs, Vista has plenty of RAM to run - and not only
Notepad. I run Vista and a vBox partition (1GB) with Windows7 in
parallel on my 4GB (3.325 real). That leaves 2.325GB for Vista and both
systems perform very well.
The bottleneck for your slow start is probably your HDD. Get an SSD
(e.g. an OCZ Vertex) and your system will boot in 10 seconds.


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Windows 3.x can use more than 4MB.

<rmo555@cox.net> wrote in message
news:5ree959ufe5nospni8q4he5ac06igl34s8@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit Vista
> to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it. Anybody
> know? <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

My post was facetious!

Everyone is missing the point. The guy said megabytes NOT gigabytes! You
missed it too.

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Windows Desktop Experience


"whs" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
news:ea29019becd4a37d9d2452f17b3e038f@nntp-gateway.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
>
> Richard Urban;1122724 Wrote:<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
>> Vista can only use 3.2 to 3.5mb for the OS and programs? No wonder
>> people
>> complain of slow start problems. Barely enough left to run notepad!
>>
>> Guess I wasted my money buying 4 GIG of RAM!
>>
>> --
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Desktop Experience
>>
>>
>> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:9cfe95pecjls8vr9n429c09tbdp9dbsqrm@xxxxxx> > ><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
>> > > On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:05:49 -0400, rmo555@xxxxxx wrote:
>> > >> > > > >
>> > > >>I read somewhere (in a magazine) that there was a way for 32 bit
>> > > Vista
>> > > >>to use all 4 MB of RAM - but I can't remember where I saw it.
>> > > >>Anybody
>> > > >>know?> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Dur to other hardware chewing up somewhere between .5 and .8 mb
>> > of
>> > > memory, Vista only get to use 3.2 to 3.5mb for the OS and
>> > programs.
>> > > So, it's all being used by your computer, it's just not all
>> > available
>> > > to the OS.
>> > >
>> > > > ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
>
> Even at 3.3 or 3.5GBs, Vista has plenty of RAM to run - and not only
> Notepad. I run Vista and a vBox partition (1GB) with Windows7 in
> parallel on my 4GB (3.325 real). That leaves 2.325GB for Vista and both
> systems perform very well.
> The bottleneck for your slow start is probably your HDD. Get an SSD
> (e.g. an OCZ Vertex) and your system will boot in 10 seconds.
>
>
> --
> whs <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

 

Richard Urban;1122876 Wrote: <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
> My post was facetious!
>
> Everyone is missing the point. The guy said megabytes NOT gigabytes!
> You
> missed it too.
>
> --
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
>
> "whs" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message
> news:ea29019becd4a37d9d2452f17b3e038f@xxxxxx-gateway.com...> > > <!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > >
> > > Richard Urban;1122724 Wrote:> > > > >
> > > >> Vista can only use 3.2 to 3.5mb for the OS and programs? No wonder
> > > >> people
> > > >> complain of slow start problems. Barely enough left to run notepad!
> > > >>
> > > >> Guess I wasted my money buying 4 GIG of RAM!
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >> Richard Urban
> > > >> Microsoft MVP
> > > >> Windows Desktop Experience
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > >> news:9cfe95pecjls8vr9n429c09tbdp9dbsqrm@xxxxxx> > >> > > >
> > >
> > > Even at 3.3 or 3.5GBs, Vista has plenty of RAM to run - and not<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > only<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > Notepad. I run Vista and a vBox partition (1GB) with Windows7 in
> > > parallel on my 4GB (3.325 real). That leaves 2.325GB for Vista<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > and both<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > systems perform very well.
> > > The bottleneck for your slow start is probably your HDD. Get an<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
> > SSD<!--coloro:darkred--><span style="color:darkred <!--/coloro-->
> > > (e.g. an OCZ Vertex) and your system will boot in 10 seconds.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > whs > > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

Richard, I assume the OP just made a typo and really meant 4GB - else
the whole thing does not make sense. Hopefully he will post back and
clarify the situation.


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whs