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A question of Windows Program downloads being huge...?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista' started by oc9ine, Jul 7, 2009.

  1. oc9ine

    oc9ine Guest

    Hi,

    I have been using Windows line of Operating system all the way from
    Windows 3.1 upto Vista and now Windows 7.

    (1) There is one thing I always noticed that whenever I downloaded a
    program for Windows from Microsoft its size was almost always huge
    for example recently released free antivirus solution called Morro
    was whooping 150 MB or so comparing it with industry leading
    antivirus software Eset Nod32 4 which is just 30 MB download; My
    question is that when all the things like required system dlls, resource
    files are present in the Windows system then Why the hack Microsoft's
    own program for Windows becomes so huge like Morro?
    Is it that They just package everything in it and re-invent the wheel
    and do not trust their Windows system installed at the user side.

    (2)When we install any new Windows offering it is almost always around 6
    or 7 GB full install size. But when we install any Linux offering it is
    almost always 4 GB to 7 GB full install with all the necessary GAMES,
    OFFICE PRODUCTS, SYSTEM UTILITIES, NETWORK CONFIG UTILS, PROGRAMMING
    TOOLS ALMOST ALL, MULTIMEDIA PROGRAMS AND WHAT NOT - installed in one go
    and they are now industry standard and very usable.

    My question is that when we spend say more than 300 bucks for mere BARE
    BONES SHELL of Windows which is always bug ridden and comes with a high
    requirements and there in linux world we get the whole world for
    peanuts, WHY? Why Microsoft is paying millions to a army of programmers
    who are always just churning out a barebones shell Operating system with
    mere Aero and glass effects thrown in? Where is Utility which we are
    looking for?

    Regards,

    Oc9ine.
     
  2. Alias

    Alias Guest

    JEWboy wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > EsetNod32 is a "leading AV software"?
    >
    > Most people never heard of your African tribe-made ware.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Last I checked, Slovakia is not in Africa but Europe. The San Diego,
    California head office is, last I checked, in the USA, not in Africa.

    How long have you been a bigot?

    Alias
     
  3. Guest

    Not as big as me.

    --
    ..
    --
    "oc9ine" <oc9ine@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:edGZsNv$JHA.3708@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Hi,
    >
    > I have been using Windows line of Operating system all the way from
    > Windows 3.1 upto Vista and now Windows 7.
    >
    > (1) There is one thing I always noticed that whenever I downloaded a
    > program for Windows from Microsoft its size was almost always huge
    > for example recently released free antivirus solution called Morro
    > was whooping 150 MB or so comparing it with industry leading
    > antivirus software Eset Nod32 4 which is just 30 MB download; My
    > question is that when all the things like required system dlls, resource
    > files are present in the Windows system then Why the hack Microsoft's
    > own program for Windows becomes so huge like Morro?
    > Is it that They just package everything in it and re-invent the wheel
    > and do not trust their Windows system installed at the user side.
    >
    > (2)When we install any new Windows offering it is almost always around 6
    > or 7 GB full install size. But when we install any Linux offering it is
    > almost always 4 GB to 7 GB full install with all the necessary GAMES,
    > OFFICE PRODUCTS, SYSTEM UTILITIES, NETWORK CONFIG UTILS, PROGRAMMING
    > TOOLS ALMOST ALL, MULTIMEDIA PROGRAMS AND WHAT NOT - installed in one go
    > and they are now industry standard and very usable.
    >
    > My question is that when we spend say more than 300 bucks for mere BARE
    > BONES SHELL of Windows which is always bug ridden and comes with a high
    > requirements and there in linux world we get the whole world for
    > peanuts, WHY? Why Microsoft is paying millions to a army of programmers
    > who are always just churning out a barebones shell Operating system with
    > mere Aero and glass effects thrown in? Where is Utility which we are
    > looking for?
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Oc9ine.
    >
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
  4. Jon

    Jon Guest

    "JEWboy" <satanpennus@fokfreetrade.com> wrote in message
    news:uzgQHtv$JHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > EsetNod32 is a "leading AV software"?
    >
    > Most people never heard of your African tribe-made ware.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    Most people haven't heard of Africa.

    --
    Jon
     
  5. JEWboy

    JEWboy Guest

    EsetNod32 is a "leading AV software"?

    Most people never heard of your African tribe-made ware.
     
  6. JEWboy

    JEWboy Guest

    Size is not an issue today. yes it's growing, but that's good for me - it
    increases hardware & networks requirements which I happen to indirectly
    design or work for. It's good fo rjobs creation.

    Here's a typical example:
    If there's a new OS requiring a minimum of 16GB memory, that would benefit
    Taiwanese economy since the world seems to have assigned them the role of
    Memory Maker.
    The sooner we trash this planet with ever-incresing consumption, the
    better - we all get to see Jesus sooner.
     
  7. Mark Adams

    Mark Adams Guest

    "oc9ine" wrote:
    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Hi,
    >
    > I have been using Windows line of Operating system all the way from
    > Windows 3.1 upto Vista and now Windows 7.
    >
    > (1) There is one thing I always noticed that whenever I downloaded a
    > program for Windows from Microsoft its size was almost always huge
    > for example recently released free antivirus solution called Morro
    > was whooping 150 MB or so comparing it with industry leading
    > antivirus software Eset Nod32 4 which is just 30 MB download; My
    > question is that when all the things like required system dlls, resource
    > files are present in the Windows system then Why the hack Microsoft's
    > own program for Windows becomes so huge like Morro?
    > Is it that They just package everything in it and re-invent the wheel
    > and do not trust their Windows system installed at the user side.
    >
    > (2)When we install any new Windows offering it is almost always around 6
    > or 7 GB full install size. But when we install any Linux offering it is
    > almost always 4 GB to 7 GB full install with all the necessary GAMES,
    > OFFICE PRODUCTS, SYSTEM UTILITIES, NETWORK CONFIG UTILS, PROGRAMMING
    > TOOLS ALMOST ALL, MULTIMEDIA PROGRAMS AND WHAT NOT - installed in one go
    > and they are now industry standard and very usable.
    >
    > My question is that when we spend say more than 300 bucks for mere BARE
    > BONES SHELL of Windows which is always bug ridden and comes with a high
    > requirements and there in linux world we get the whole world for
    > peanuts, WHY? Why Microsoft is paying millions to a army of programmers
    > who are always just churning out a barebones shell Operating system with
    > mere Aero and glass effects thrown in? Where is Utility which we are
    > looking for?
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Oc9ine.
    >
    >
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    So, why are you still using Windows operating systems all the way up to
    Windows 7?
     
  8. "Jon" <Email_Address@SomewhereOrOther.com> wrote in message
    news:uzLMpIw$JHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > "JEWboy" <satanpennus@fokfreetrade.com> wrote in message
    > news:uzgQHtv$JHA.1336@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> EsetNod32 is a "leading AV software"?
    >>
    >> Most people never heard of your African tribe-made ware.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >
    > Most people haven't heard of Africa.
    >
    > --
    > Jon
    >
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Maybe in the circle of people you hang out with!
     
  9. "JEWboy" <satanpennus@fokfreetrade.com> wrote in message
    news:OQASerw$JHA.3320@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > Because Windows rules.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    To bad you don't!
     
  10. JEWboy

    JEWboy Guest

    Since I got Ubuntu.

    Frank.
     
  11. JEWboy

    JEWboy Guest

    Because Windows rules.
     
  12. nomore

    nomore Guest

    You can use Linux and spend all day futzing with the OS and spinning the
    propeller pinned to the end of your member or you can use Windows and spend
    most of the day futzing with the OS but actually get some real work done in
    between because there are actual business and productivity programs to use
    with Windows and nothing but amateur hack crippleware to use with Linux.
    Gimp is the most correctly named piece of software ever foisted on the
    naïve.
     
  13. Alias

    Alias Guest

    nomore wrote:<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > You can use Linux and spend all day futzing with the OS and spinning the
    > propeller pinned to the end of your member or you can use Windows and
    > spend most of the day futzing with the OS but actually get some real
    > work done in between because there are actual business and productivity
    > programs to use with Windows and nothing but amateur hack crippleware to
    > use with Linux.
    > Gimp is the most correctly named piece of software ever foisted on the
    > naïve.
    >
    >
    > <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Bull****.

    Alias
     
  14. On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:11:43 +0530, oc9ine <oc9ine@gmail.com> wrote:

    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > (1) There is one thing I always noticed that whenever I downloaded a
    > program for Windows from Microsoft its size was almost always huge
    > for example recently released free antivirus solution called Morro
    > was whooping 150 MB or so comparing it with industry leading
    > antivirus software Eset Nod32 4 which is just 30 MB download; My
    > question is that when all the things like required system dlls, resource
    > files are present in the Windows system then Why the hack Microsoft's
    > own program for Windows becomes so huge like Morro?
    > Is it that They just package everything in it and re-invent the wheel
    > and do not trust their Windows system installed at the user side.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->


    Please note that what you call "a whooping 150 MB or so," actually
    uses what is a *tiny* amount of disk space these days.

    To pick a typical, not-too-large drive, these days a 250GB drive costs
    around $50 US. That means that 150MB is about 3 cents worth of disk
    space. That's hardly something to get upset about.

    Choose whatever program you prefer, but don't make the choice based on
    pennies.

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  15. "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
    news:f4r655pmo5a5rlq1ungjkv3puf1cg8lv48@4ax.com...<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:11:43 +0530, oc9ine <oc9ine@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    ><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >> (1) There is one thing I always noticed that whenever I downloaded a
    >> program for Windows from Microsoft its size was almost always huge
    >> for example recently released free antivirus solution called Morro
    >> was whooping 150 MB or so comparing it with industry leading
    >> antivirus software Eset Nod32 4 which is just 30 MB download; My
    >> question is that when all the things like required system dlls, resource
    >> files are present in the Windows system then Why the hack Microsoft's
    >> own program for Windows becomes so huge like Morro?
    >> Is it that They just package everything in it and re-invent the wheel
    >> and do not trust their Windows system installed at the user side.<!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
    >
    >
    > Please note that what you call "a whooping 150 MB or so," actually
    > uses what is a *tiny* amount of disk space these days.
    >
    > To pick a typical, not-too-large drive, these days a 250GB drive costs
    > around $50 US. That means that 150MB is about 3 cents worth of disk
    > space. That's hardly something to get upset about.
    >
    > Choose whatever program you prefer, but don't make the choice based on
    > pennies.
    ><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Unless all you have is pennies then Ubuntu is your correct choice.

    <!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro-->
    > --
    > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
    > Please Reply to the Newsgroup <!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->
     
  16. >> Hi,<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue <!--/coloro--><!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green <!--/coloro-->
    >>
    >> I have been using Windows line of Operating system all the way from
    >> Windows 3.1 upto Vista and now Windows 7.
    >>
    >> (1) There is one thing I always noticed that whenever I downloaded a
    >> program for Windows from Microsoft its size was almost always huge
    >> for example recently released free antivirus solution called Morro
    >> was whooping 150 MB or so comparing it with industry leading
    >> antivirus software Eset Nod32 4 which is just 30 MB download; My
    >> question is that when all the things like required system dlls, resource
    >> files are present in the Windows system then Why the hack Microsoft's
    >> own program for Windows becomes so huge like Morro?<!--colorc--><!--/colorc--><!--colorc--><!--/colorc-->

    Hmmm, unless you signed up as a Beta tester Morro isn't even available yet. So
    assuming you have the Beta program, you probably also have the SDK. used
    primarily by programmers and those with special programming skills. There's
    probably a lot of built in software for REPORTING directly to MS. You don't
    sound like you fit that mold. So you do have a lot of excess bloat.

    As for HUGE files = 150 mb. You haven't visited adobe lately have you ? Adobe
    has HUGE files 500mb and larger.

    As for Morro, I use 1 care, and haven't found a better virus program. The
    difference in 3rd party vs 1care/Morro is integration. The others are bloated
    addon's even at 30mb. Morro works WITH the OS using defender and the firewall,
    and other things like disk cleanup, backup, etc..

    I wouldn't call 150 mb big... As for 1care, I show 57 mb installed. I'm sure
    the DVD it came on is much larger.

    Also MS has no idea what you have already installed. or what OS. Their
    installer is designed normally to take into account any variables, other than
    64 or 32 bit OS. There's normally 2 different downloads for 32 or 64 to avoid
    getting the wrong one. Even though the 64 WON'T install to a 32.

    It could be possible your beta had both OS options. double the download size. I
    know I only saw one download button when I tried to get it.
     

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